I've always pictured Chaotic Good as the sort of 80's superpunk hero, facing down THE MAN with nothing more then a handful of explosives, a heart full of FREEDOM, and a motorcycle.
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Thank you all for your suggestions, these examples of what characters fit into what alignments have been helpful.
One think i have noticed, is that the more complex and multifaced the character, the more difficult he is to stuff into an alignment box.
I suppose this all gets back to how closely we think an alignment governs a character's actions and weather they can do something "out of character" every so often.
thanks for the ideas.
Ok, my own two cents worth, hold the flames until I'm done typing at least. :) All drawn from The Dresden Files (if I can pull it off)
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LG - Michael Carpenter (Dresden Files), the best Paladin example I've ever seen
NG - Harry Dresden (Dresden Files)
CG - Thomas Raith (Harry Dresden's white vampire brother, Dresden Files)
LN - Donald Morgan (Dresden Files, White Warden)
NN - Ivy, AKA The Archive (Dresden Files, Ivy is probably NG, but The Archive is True Neutral, so this one is kind of wierd)
NN - Jared Kinkcaid (Dresden Files, in case you didn't like Ivy, Jared is her bodyguard, he's a mercenary killer who's half-vampire)
CN - Gentleman Johnny Marcone (A Mafioso, I put him as CN because he isn't good, and he actively breaks the law, although he has a personal code he follows, so some might consider him more true Nuetral).
CN - 'Bob' the talking skull (A spirit of intellect who has way too much love of women and bodice ripper novels, can't get more CN than him, in case you didn't like Marcone)
LE - Mab (Dresden Files, Queen of the Winter Court of the Fae)
NE - Mavra (Dresden Files, Queen of the Black Court Vampires, an evil woman who has no desire for chaos but no desire for law either, she is selfish beyond belief)
CE - Nicodemus (Dresden Files, a human who willingly allows a fallen angel to posess him and actively helps, they both want to end the world).
Whew, done. And all from Dresden Files. There are other examples too, for LG you could also pick Karrin Murphy (police detective), and any of the fallen angels work for CE, just like any of the Fae of the Summer Court work for LN and any Winter Court for LE.
I would say Dr. Doom is LN with evil tendencies. While his perspective is skewed, for sure. He has more than once sided with the heroes to defend earth. He is a man who wants what is best for the world, he is just convinced that he is what's best for the world.
Umm, not even close. Defending something just because you plan on ruling it is not a good act. Doom is far, far too blinded by his hatred for Reed Richards to ever be even close to good. Destroying the soul and body of his former lover to strengthen his black magic? Using said black magic to scar Reed Richards? TRAPPING FRANKLIN RICHARDS IN HELL? This is ONLY IN ONE STORY, mind you. Mark Waid said it best when he said that "would tear the head off a newborn baby and eat it like an apple while his mother watched if it would somehow prove he were smarter than Reed."
What about Leon from The Professional?
LE or LN?
(Same question for the Agent from Serenity.)
The Agent from Serenity was (until the very end when his character finally toppled over the hill of its arc) LE. He unquestioningly served the Senate, and killed anyone they asked him to just because he believed in heir cause, without knowing or caring why. Definition of Assassin.
The Agent from Serenity was (until the very end when his character finally toppled over the hill of its arc) LE. He unquestioningly served the Senate, and killed anyone they asked him to just because he believed in heir cause, without knowing or caring why. Definition of Assassin.What about Leon from The Professional?
LE or LN?
(Same question for the Agent from Serenity.)
Sounds like the definition of Soldier to me. He does evil things because he feels it is for the greater good (see: Batman) which IMO balances out to Neutral. When confronted with the truth of what the Alliance has done he eventually changes his ways, which shows me that he was good (or at least neutral) all along but willingly ignorant of the truth.
Sounds like the definition of Soldier to me. He does evil things because he feels it is for the greater good (see: Batman) which IMO balances out to Neutral. When confronted with the truth of what the Alliance has done he eventually changes his ways, which shows me that he was good (or at least neutral) all along but willingly ignorant of the truth.
Somewhat, but he says himself that he kills women and children if he needs to, admitting "I am a monster. What I do is evil, through and through." He changed at the end of the movie, but until that point, I can't spot him as anything other than evil. There was nothing he would not do, including murdering anyone he needed to at any time, to accomplish his mission. LE.
For lawful good, I pick Batman.
For neutral good, I pick Batman.
For chaotic good, I pick Batman.
For lawful neutral, I pick Batman.
For neutral, I pick Batman.
For chaotic neutral, I pick Batman.
For lawful evil, I pick Batman.
For neutral evil, I pick Batman.
For chaotic evil, I pick Batman.
You know I was going to do this exact thing yesterday, but I thought better of it. I do however question the chaotic evil one.
You know I was going to do this exact thing yesterday, but I thought better of it. I do however question the chaotic evil one.For lawful good, I pick Batman.
For neutral good, I pick Batman.
For chaotic good, I pick Batman.
For lawful neutral, I pick Batman.
For neutral, I pick Batman.
For chaotic neutral, I pick Batman.
For lawful evil, I pick Batman.
For neutral evil, I pick Batman.
For chaotic evil, I pick Batman.
Arkhan Asylum :)
Somewhat, but he says himself that he kills women and children if he needs to, admitting "I am a monster. What I do is evil, through and through." He changed at the end of the movie, but until that point, I can't spot him as anything other than evil. There was nothing he would not do, including murdering anyone he needed to at any time, to accomplish his mission. LE.
Sounds like the definition of Soldier to me. He does evil things because he feels it is for the greater good (see: Batman) which IMO balances out to Neutral. When confronted with the truth of what the Alliance has done he eventually changes his ways, which shows me that he was good (or at least neutral) all along but willingly ignorant of the truth.
I was just pointing out that killing because you're told to doesn't make you evil or else all soldiers in all wars would be evil. We're really getting to the nitty gritty of what makes one evil or good, intention or actions. I will concede that by actions he is certainly LE, but I'd say considering his ignorance of facts and his intentions he's probably fall somewhere between LE and LN.
So I ask then, what is Magneto?
So I ask then, what is Magneto?An electrical generator that uses permanent magnets to produce pulses of high voltage alternating current. Producing electricity is the basis for modern society, so I'd say that's definitely lawful.
Yuk yuk.
Comic book characters are difficult at best, simply because they fluxuate a lot depending on the writer.
Look at Dr Doom.
One writer makes him an understandable leader who loves his country and wants what's best for them, but is driven and twisted by a grudge against his rival.
Then the next writer has him skin an innocent woman and sell his soul to the devil.
That's why comic book characters can't really be pinned down - every time another writer gets a hold of the character, they have a habit of doing a complete turn in character and personality.
Comic book characters are difficult at best, simply because they fluxuate a lot depending on the writer.
Look at Dr Doom.
One writer makes him an understandable leader who loves his country and wants what's best for them, but is driven and twisted by a grudge against his rival.
Then the next writer has him skin an innocent woman and sell his soul to the devil.
That's why comic book characters can't really be pinned down - every time another writer gets a hold of the character, they have a habit of doing a complete turn in character and personality.
I can't think of ANYBODY who painted Doom as an understandable leader....not Waid, not DeFalco, not Byrne, certainly not Lee.....and Doom certainly THINKS that he's doing what's best for Latveria, but is definitely oppressing his people.