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Hello,
Is anyone else having problems with the binding on the Pathfinder's massive core rulebook? It seems mine is going to give out any second and all the pages are going to detach from the cover. This happening with anyone else? Can some kind of adhesive be added to the binding to make it more secure?
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Mine hasn't broken yet but yeah, it seems like it could at any time. Bestiary too, though not as bad. I'm surprised I haven't seen more discussion of this yet, it definitely seems like a potential issue...
but since it hasn't busted yet, I'm trying to remain optimistic.
My core rulebook seems like the book is gonna detach from the cover eventually, but my bestiary is still in near perfect condition.
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My bestiary is good. I think the binding of the core rulebook suffers from the large amount of pages. It is just frustrating because it has not even been a year yet and its going to crap out on me.
My core rulebook seems like the book is gonna detach from the cover eventually, but my bestiary is still in near perfect condition.
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My bestiary is good. I think the binding of the core rulebook suffers from the large amount of pages. It is just frustrating because it has not even been a year yet and its going to crap out on me.
My core rulebook seems like the book is gonna detach from the cover eventually, but my bestiary is still in near perfect condition.
The core rulebook does seem to be a bit too thick for the class of binding used. I don't see the individual pages coming out because of the number the pages are glued together.
If the spine of the book seperates, you can use Elmer's glue to repair it. You can the backing away from the main pages and then use book repair tape to repair the cut after regluing the spine together. If the spine itself is bent you can probably find some plastic reinforcements that can be glued behind the back to reinforce the spine.
For protecting the book itself, I recommend creating a book cover using a paper shopping bag. It will help protect the book plus you can personalize your own cover.
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i hope i use mine enough to make it fall apart! i think this is why the original design was 3 books, i will one day when it falls apart will punch holes in it and put it in a giant binder,
After paying fifty dollars and getting about 1/2 years use out of it, the last thing I want is the damn book to fall apart. I want a solution and maybe adding adhesive is the best solution seeing none of the customer reps are responding to the issue.
Hello,
Is anyone else having problems with the binding on the Pathfinder's massive core rulebook? It seems mine is going to give out any second and all the pages are going to detach from the cover. This happening with anyone else? Can some kind of adhesive be added to the binding to make it more secure?
--Thanks
Ok This happened to a few pages of my WOD core book. What I did was got some paper adhesive and some wax paper, carefully removed the page that as almost out anyway{12 page section and a one page} and using the wax paper so they could not stick to other pages, glued the back of the page, firmly set it into the binding and closed the book with a bit of weight on it.
In 30 mins it was fine, one page sticks out a wee little bit where I did not get it in as good as I should have book the book is very usable.
Make sure you get the correct type of Adhesive) for this however
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Hello,
Is anyone else having problems with the binding on the Pathfinder's massive core rulebook? It seems mine is going to give out any second and all the pages are going to detach from the cover. This happening with anyone else? Can some kind of adhesive be added to the binding to make it more secure?
--Thanks
Ok This happened to a few pages of my WOD core book. What I did was got some paper adhesive and some wax paper, carefully removed the page that as almost out anyway{12 page section and a one page} and using the wax paper so they could not stick to other pages, glued the back of the page, firmly set it into the binding and closed the book with a bit of weight on it.
In 30 mins it was fine, one page sticks out a wee little bit where I did not get it in as good as I should have book the book is very usable.
Make sure you get the correct type of Adhesive) for this however
Is there any specific brand of adhesive substance? I am assuming you mean, don't squirt gorilla glue down the binding :). I am hoping that the customer representatives try to help me out as well with this as I am still awaiting a reply from them.
I got mine at a craft store, if ya google book binding repair you will find about a hundred vids on youtube about it. I'll see if I can find the bottle I had...not sure where it wondered off to.
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I want a solution and maybe adding adhesive is the best solution seeing none of the customer reps are responding to the issue.
The customer service reps respond to this forum from the bottom of the list up – so if people keep replying to your thread (like I’m doing – sorry) it bumps it to the top of the list and makes it less likely that customer service will respond to it in a timely fashion.
I’ve only had my core rule book for a couple of months, and it has only seen about 4 gaming sessions. The binding seems a little precarious, but it’s hard to know whether it will give out anytime soon, or just keep looking precarious for years to come!
First printing.
I don't even have to look, I got mine the day it came out. First Printing.
I was just commenting to my GF about this very thing, I picked up my copy and said, "Hey this thing's getting fishy feeling, I hope all the pages don't fall out..." Oh yeah mines a first printing also. Nothing yet has fallen out though, just feels suspicious and makes sounds if molested.
First printing August 2009.
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first printing August 2009.
But I would have noticed the problem, at least for a while, had I not read this thread. The binding seems OK but the cover is seperating the rest of the bound pages.
For customer service:I intend to purchase another copy when the thrid printing is availible, I am just commenting here to provide feedback for Paizo in case you are tracking the number of books with problems.
Chief Technical Officer
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first printing August 2009.
But I would have noticed the problem, at least for a while, had I not read this thread. The binding seems OK but the cover is seperating the rest of the bound pages.
For customer service:I intend to purchase another copy when the thrid printing is availible, I am just commenting here to provide feedback for Paizo in case you are tracking the number of books with problems.
One thing I'd like to be clear on—the fabric strip to which each signature is bound is not supposed to be glued to the spine itself on anybody's copy. So that's not a sign that the cover is separating—it's just the way it is. (Does that knowledge change anybody's feedback?)
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One thing I'd like to be clear on—the fabric strip to which each signature is bound is not supposed to be glued to the spine itself on anybody's copy. So that's not a sign that the cover is separating—it's just the way it is. (Does that knowledge change anybody's feedback?)first printing August 2009.
But I would have noticed the problem, at least for a while, had I not read this thread. The binding seems OK but the cover is seperating the rest of the bound pages.
For customer service:I intend to purchase another copy when the thrid printing is availible, I am just commenting here to provide feedback for Paizo in case you are tracking the number of books with problems.
Sort off. I noticed there was a loose thin peice of fabric between the spine and the heavy fabric strip that the signatures are glued too, although it doesn't appear to indicate any problem. The seperation I see is where the paper of the inside cover is glued to the card board of the cover, and this seperation is near the binding.
Of the four corners near the binding two of them seem fine one is seperating and the other is beginng to seperate. Thats the best description I can give, if you really want I could send you a pic. BUT, as I said in my previous I plan to buy a third printing copy just for the included errata|
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One thing I'd like to be clear on—the fabric strip to which each signature is bound is not supposed to be glued to the spine itself on anybody's copy. So that's not a sign that the cover is separating—it's just the way it is. (Does that knowledge change anybody's feedback?)first printing August 2009.
But I would have noticed the problem, at least for a while, had I not read this thread. The binding seems OK but the cover is seperating the rest of the bound pages.
For customer service:I intend to purchase another copy when the thrid printing is availible, I am just commenting here to provide feedback for Paizo in case you are tracking the number of books with problems.
Sort off. I noticed there was a loose thin peice of fabric between the spine and the heavy fabric strip that the signatures are glued too, although it doesn't appear to indicate any problem. The seperation I see is where the paper of the inside cover is glued to the card board of the cover, and this seperation is near the binding.
Of the four corners near the binding two of them seem fine one is seperating and the other is beginng to seperate. Thats the best description I can give, if you really want I could send you a pic. BUT, as I said in my previous I plan to buy a third printing copy just for the included errata
I have something similar to this. The pages hang well past the cover of the book as well. I investigated my friends who just received his last week and could see the difference. And the table of contents/ credits page is where it is going to rip out.
-RB
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I have a first printing, and it just died today. The binding detached top to bottom at the last page of the index (575). The cover is still attached securely in the front of the book, and the pages are not lose, but the cover is completely disconnected along the backside. I'm kind of bummed over it. It did see hard use, but no more than my Ptolus book which seems to be made out of adamantite.
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I have a first printing, and it just died today. The binding detached top to bottom at the last page of the index (575). The cover is still attached securely in the front of the book, and the pages are not lose, but the cover is completely disconnected along the backside. I'm kind of bummed over it. It did see hard use, but no more than my Ptolus book which seems to be made out of adamantite.
Yeah. That is what is going to happen to the front of my book and it has seen what I would call "Moderate use." The back of my book looks okay as I examine it now but the front is definitely going to rip out. Probably has a couple more weeks before total melt down. It is so obvious the book is going to crap out. If I flip to the middle of the book, like page 300, you can see all the way through the binding because it separates so much and the pages lean out of the cover.
I think I started a firestorm or something.-RB
If you guys can post pic that would help Vic out alot I am thinking. The damage is easier to understand and less confusing if you can see it.
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If you guys can post pic that would help Vic out alot I am thinking. The damage is easier to understand and less confusing if you can see it.
I will post a Picture when I can.the inside front and rear cover started tearing away from the book I had to tape the seams so it would stay together. Also the first Signature set is starting to tear at the fold.
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One thing I'd like to be clear on—the fabric strip to which each signature is bound is not supposed to be glued to the spine itself on anybody's copy. So that's not a sign that the cover is separating—it's just the way it is. (Does that knowledge change anybody's feedback?)first printing August 2009.
But I would have noticed the problem, at least for a while, had I not read this thread. The binding seems OK but the cover is seperating the rest of the bound pages.
For customer service:I intend to purchase another copy when the thrid printing is availible, I am just commenting here to provide feedback for Paizo in case you are tracking the number of books with problems.
Sort off. I noticed there was a loose thin peice of fabric between the spine and the heavy fabric strip that the signatures are glued too, although it doesn't appear to indicate any problem. The seperation I see is where the paper of the inside cover is glued to the card board of the cover, and this seperation is near the binding.
Of the four corners near the binding two of them seem fine one is seperating and the other is beginng to seperate. Thats the best description I can give, if you really want I could send you a pic. BUT, as I said in my previous I plan to buy a third printing copy just for the included errataI have something similar to this. The pages hang well past the cover of the book as well. I investigated my friends who just received his last week and could see the difference. And the table of contents/ credits page is where it is going to rip out.
-RB
Mine is similar to this. I get that the outer spine-back isn't supposed to be glued to the spine, but where the front and back covers connect it's starting to tear up and off. The pages seem to be solidly together, but the cover is starting to come off.
BTW, mine is a first printing.
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Hey folks,
I just wanted to drop in and thank you all for letting us know about these issues. Before we ever chose our printer, we put sample books through extensive testing to see how well they would hold up over time. Judging from the very small number of reports we've received here and otherwise, it seems that these are pretty isolated incidences resulting from greater than the normal wear and tear.
Thanks,
cos
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Hey folks,
I just wanted to drop in and thank you all for letting us know about these issues. Before we ever chose our printer, we put sample books through extensive testing to see how well they would hold up over time. Judging from the very small number of reports we've received here and otherwise, it seems that these are pretty isolated incidences resulting from greater than the normal wear and tear.
Thanks,
cos
Hey,
So are you saying that the average life expectancy of your first printing of the core rulebook is approximately 6 months because of "Heavy" wear and tear? I would hardly call my use of the core rulebook heavy by any means. Is this the official word from Paizo about the binding problem on the first edition books?I am so excited that if I want to continue to play PathFinder with my rulebook in the next few months, I can spend money to repair it, or I can spend 50 USD to buy a new one and hope I can six months use out of it as well. Hope the rest of your products I have last longer than this one or can I expect to be buying another bestiary 1 in about 5 months?
Thanks for the great high caliber players handbook.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8
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... it seems that these are pretty isolated incidences resulting from greater than the normal wear and tear.
Thanks,
cos
Hey,
So are you saying that the average life expectancy of your first printing of the core rulebook is approximately 6 months because of "Heavy" wear and tear?
I get that you are upset. I'd be upset to if that happened to my book.
However, that is not what Cosmo said. If all the books were falling apart after six months, then the 'average' life expectancy would be six months. He said that these were fairly isolated incidents.
Please do post your photos of these books, guys, so that Cosmo can get more information.
Oh dude, don't use normal scotch tape when ya repair. I did that once, not a good ideal. Check some craft stores for non-acidic tape. And some paper glue as I said above.
Sad fact is guys with a print run of thousands there will be some flawed copy's. My Wod book was owned 6 months, never used it play and still smelled new when 12 pages popped out. It sucks, but it happens.
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Oh dude, don't use normal scotch tape when ya repair. I did that once, not a good ideal. Check some craft stores for non-acidic tape. And some paper glue as I said above.
Sad fact is guys with a print run of thousands there will be some flawed copy's. My Wod book was owned 6 months, never used it play and still smelled new when 12 pages popped out. It sucks, but it happens.
So stick it to the customers with your flawed copies when one of the main focus's in the quality was to ensure a high quality binding. I would expect that response from most companies, I just wanted to see how Paizo will deal with it and if they care besides a post where they mention that they have flaws in there book and it happens, sorry.
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I would expect that response from most companies, I just wanted to see how Paizo will deal with it and if they care besides a post where they mention that they have flaws in there book and it happens, sorry.
No offense meant, but I think you're looking for more than to "see how Paizo will deal with it". Your brand-new 1 star review of the Core Rulebook which pretty much only says "the binding sucks" kind of makes me question your real motives.
That all being said, directly to Cosmo's response, I do have to agree with the complaints that this isn't being addressed in the best way. A thread that goes from zero to even ten posts in a day would indicate that there may likely be a problem you may not have accounted for or noticed to a meaningful degree yet, especially when we're only six months out. I know there's a slim chance that there's anything you can do about it as RPG books are notoriously bad in the biding department (and I'm not even going to mention the binding on my Dragon Compendium...oh wait, I just did). I guess the biggest problem with the response is labeling it isolated at this time; you might have wanted to wait a little while longer before making that call. Frankly, I'm scared to death to pull out my signed first edition now because of this and the already bad looking binding on mine.
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Oh dude, don't use normal scotch tape when ya repair. I did that once, not a good ideal. Check some craft stores for non-acidic tape. And some paper glue as I said above.
Sad fact is guys with a print run of thousands there will be some flawed copy's. My Wod book was owned 6 months, never used it play and still smelled new when 12 pages popped out. It sucks, but it happens.
That is Packing Tape I wouldn't use scotch tape. I was going to have a print shop rebind it for me.
I have had books binding break, most recently a SW Saga book and my 4th Ed players handbook(only used for 3 months) I am not finding any fault with Paizo or their printers, being in the printing industry I know sometimes problems pass quality control especially in big runs. No big deal once 3rd Printing Happens I will buy a new copy. If Paizo wants to document the issues with the binding I am happy to help.
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That is Packing Tape I wouldn't use scotch tape. I was going to have a print shop rebind it for me.
yeah packing tape is just as bad :) Just tying to be helpful is all rebinding sounds good.
I would expect that response from most companies, I just wanted to see how Paizo will deal with it and if they care besides a post where they mention that they have flaws in there book and it happens, sorry.No offense meant, but I think you're looking for more than to "see how Paizo will deal with it". Your brand-new 1 star review of the Core Rulebook which pretty much only says "the binding sucks" kind of makes me question your real motives.
That all being said, directly to Cosmo's response, I do have to agree with the complaints that this isn't being addressed in the best way. A thread that goes from zero to even ten posts in a day would indicate that there may likely be a problem you may not have accounted for or noticed to a meaningful degree yet, especially when we're only six months out. I know there's a slim chance that there's anything you can do about it as RPG books are notoriously bad in the biding department (and I'm not even going to mention the binding on my Dragon Compendium...oh wait, I just did). I guess the biggest problem with the response is labeling it isolated at this time; you might have wanted to wait a little while longer before making that call. Frankly, I'm scared to death to pull out my signed first edition now because of this and the already bad looking binding on mine.
MisterSlanky, just for your info, the Dragon Compendium and the RPG were printed by different companies in different countries so there's no correlation between the two books. Sometimes bindings just fail.
And we are calling this an isolated incident because the 30 or so folks that have posted in this thread represent much less than 1% of the total books printed.
As a small note as to troubles with binding and repair methods, there are ways to resuscitate old binding glue that's come loose or new binding glue that was improperly set in the first place. The classic method involves a layer or two of cloth, an iron, and a lot of care to melt the glue while not scorching the paper of the spine. The more effective method which damages the paper far less involves putting the book to be reglued with the original glue inside a car parked in the sun on a very hot day. Once the binding is molten, pages can be reset and the whole book put in a house pressed between other books in a bookcase while it cools. This works especially well with paperbacks, but I've also done it with larger game books.
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I would expect that response from most companies, I just wanted to see how Paizo will deal with it and if they care besides a post where they mention that they have flaws in there book and it happens, sorry.No offense meant, but I think you're looking for more than to "see how Paizo will deal with it". Your brand-new 1 star review of the Core Rulebook which pretty much only says "the binding sucks" kind of makes me question your real motives.
That all being said, directly to Cosmo's response, I do have to agree with the complaints that this isn't being addressed in the best way. A thread that goes from zero to even ten posts in a day would indicate that there may likely be a problem you may not have accounted for or noticed to a meaningful degree yet, especially when we're only six months out. I know there's a slim chance that there's anything you can do about it as RPG books are notoriously bad in the biding department (and I'm not even going to mention the binding on my Dragon Compendium...oh wait, I just did). I guess the biggest problem with the response is labeling it isolated at this time; you might have wanted to wait a little while longer before making that call. Frankly, I'm scared to death to pull out my signed first edition now because of this and the already bad looking binding on mine.
MisterSlanky, just for your info, the Dragon Compendium and the RPG were printed by different companies in different countries so there's no correlation between the two books. Sometimes bindings just fail.
And we are calling this an isolated incident because the 30 or so folks that have posted in this thread represent much less than 1% of the total books printed.
I understand that there are failure rates and percentages with all new products. I am an engineer so I definitly understand this. I was just expecting less of a corporate response from Paizo. Basically it goes like this: Sorry, we have failure rates with products but is an isolated incidence. Better to say that you do not care because you are not going to do anything about it. It is your problem.
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Hey,
Now that I have time to sit down and post something on the issue, I will.
First of all, I am complaining here now because the response from Paizo is disturbing to say the least. Basically you blamed me over use of the book as the fault because you put the book bindings through extensive testing. If my using of the core rulebook so far has been extensive, then I fear for the worst with all of your products, all of which I enjoy and have no problems with but this. I should have complained earlier perhaps but I was not sure if there was anything wrong with the book until it became quite clear that the binding is pretty much shot. The amount of time I have had to check whether my product is faulty seems reasonable for the product. I did not even use it in October, and November due to lack of time to play the game and I only use it for gaming once every other week.
The goods were faulty on purchase, and do not try to fob me by telling me that the printing manufacturer is at fault, its wrong. I expected satisfactory quality as described and fit for purpose to last a reasonable amount of time. Less than six months is not a reasonable amount of time. I know it is easy to create an argument over whether the goods were faulty or not, and I would have to prove it because obviously you have already specified it is my "greater than the normal wear and tear" that has caused my binding problem.
I do not understand why you did not provide consumers with enough appropriate information to make intelligent and informed product choices by mentioning binding problems. Product information provided by a business should always be complete and truthful.
Now that said, I know you are a business that is out to make a profit and it most likely means little to you if you did lose me as a customer. I would hope that is not true, but the real truth is that it is probably true from what I have seen from Paizo employees here in this post. I am more of a pimple on your rear end, if even that. Losing my business would mean little.
I started this initial thread to see if there was a solution to the problem at hand. Some of the posts that followed seemed to strike a nerve in me. Am I angry? I am slightly. I have purchased many products from Paizo and I like the quality of all of the products I have, especially the AP's. The size of the book most likely caused the issues with this product. If it lasted 3,4, even 2 years I would not have cared. But less than six months and failure is imminent...
Thanks for the time and understanding,
-RB
Just putting in my $.02 (BTW, my keyboard doesn't have the cents symbol; does any else's?):
The binding of my Pathfinder RPG book is also a little ragged. It's very loose for a new copy (first printing, 08/09). I have been extra-careful with it, but in spite of this it seems as if pages inside are starting to puul away from the spine.
Now, Paizo is top-knotch, both in quality of product (the physical items and content) and customer service. But I do wonder if the Core Rulebook is just too large. Add an extra $5 for a heavy-duty binding.
Thanks for listening.
DogBone
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MisterSlanky, just for your info, the Dragon Compendium and the RPG were printed by different companies in different countries so there's no correlation between the two books. Sometimes bindings just fail.
And we are calling this an isolated incident because the 30 or so folks that have posted in this thread represent much less than 1% of the total books printed.
I sat down with three of the people in my gaming group today and mentioned this thread, so everybody checked. All three of our books are tearing away from the binding, and one was pretty much on its way out (from the person who has used his book the most). All three of us have a first printing. Mine looks the best, but then again I've been extraordinarily careful with my book and mainly use my PDF copy.
Call it what you will, but six months out, we're just a single binding pop away from a 100% failure rate at my table, and the comments here aren't making it look much better. I'm not saying that we're not part of some isolated incident, I'm just saying that with only six months of actual use by your readers, you may have wanted to wait before saying it is.
Don't get me wrong, I love the products and I'm not angry (things like this happen); I'm just saying the response wasn't exactly what a group of people with books falling apart wants (or needs) to hear.