RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32
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Let's not forget that his father (who is also him?) is a genocidal maniac that likes to kill babies and make people sacrifice their children.Hahahaha, so your entire argument on being good is "What would Jesus do?" That's funny, haha. Thanks for the laugh.What would Jesus do?
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34
Maybe it's a plastic sword made by playskool?
Don't blaspheme God. That IS evil.
That's hilarious, to calvin the only way to be good is being a vegetarian also aparently... his games must be very funny to watch.
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Don't blaspheme God. That IS evil.Let's not forget that his father (who is also him?) is a genocidal maniac that likes to kill babies and make people sacrifice their children.Hahahaha, so your entire argument on being good is "What would Jesus do?" That's funny, haha. Thanks for the laugh.What would Jesus do?
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34
Maybe it's a plastic sword made by playskool?
Not a single thing i said is false if you believe that the bible is the infallible word of god, and if not, then you can't blaspheme what isn't real.
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Indiscriminate weapons, torture, etc.I didn't ask WHAT the rules were, I asked WHY there were instituted.
That is why they were instituted. The lingering effects of the use of indiscriminate weapons was affecting not only non-combatants during the war, but more importantly, non-combatants after the war (ie.-land mines, chem warfare).
OK!!! Mr. Fishy is here...
If you kill 60(?) innocent bystanders and then justify the carnage,
You might be Evil.
If you watch puppies burn, you might be evil.
If you enjoy the suffering of others, you might be evil. Or Mr. Fishy's Wife.
If you listen the the villians rant and SEE his point, you might be evil.
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RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32
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Would it have been less blasphemous if he had quoted the chapers/verses he was referring to?Don't blaspheme God. That IS evil.Let's not forget that his father (who is also him?) is a genocidal maniac that likes to kill babies and make people sacrifice their children.Hahahaha, so your entire argument on being good is "What would Jesus do?" That's funny, haha. Thanks for the laugh.What would Jesus do?
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34
Maybe it's a plastic sword made by playskool?
Ascribing wickedness and injustice to God is a terrible blasphamous thing to say and is deeply offensive to Him and to those who know and love Him. I am telling you this so you will be careful what you say. Everything we say and do will be held to account. Not just by the message board administrators, but by He who will hold each of us accountable for all we do and say.
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That is why they were instituted.No, that is not why, that is what. Try again.
The lingering effects of the use of indiscriminate weapons was affecting not only non-combatants during the war, but more importantly, non-combatants after the war (ie.-land mines, chem warfare).So, why is that a problem? Just collateral damage, right? Why are certain rules of war there and not others?
I didn't make the rules, I just follow them.
Ascribing wickedness and injustice to God is a terrible blasphamous thing to say and is deeply offensive to Him and to those who know and love Him. I am telling you this so you will be careful what you say. Everything we say and do will be held to account. Not just by the message board administrators, but by He who will hold each of us accountable for all we do and say.Would it have been less blasphemous if he had quoted the chapers/verses he was referring to?Don't blaspheme God. That IS evil.Let's not forget that his father (who is also him?) is a genocidal maniac that likes to kill babies and make people sacrifice their children.Hahahaha, so your entire argument on being good is "What would Jesus do?" That's funny, haha. Thanks for the laugh.What would Jesus do?
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34
Maybe it's a plastic sword made by playskool?
You are serious, aren't you?
Well, religion is not the point here, so let's put this one to rest, shall we?|
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Ascribing wickedness and injustice to God is a terrible blasphamous thing to say and is deeply offensive to Him and to those who know and love Him. I am telling you this so you will be careful what you say. Everything we say and do will be held to account. Not just by the message board administrators, but by He who will hold each of us accountable for all we do and say.
While my comments may have been snarky, nothing I have said has been false. How you take them is up to you.
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I didn't make the rules, I just follow them.Good little soldier. Perhaps when you learn to actually think for yourself, you can contribute to the conversation.
Collateral damage during a war is someting that has to be accepted but at the same time kept to a minimum. Collateral damage after the fact is unacceptable. - my 2cp
Ascribing wickedness and injustice to God is a terrible blasphamous thing to say and is deeply offensive to Him and to those who know and love Him. I am telling you this so you will be careful what you say. Everything we say and do will be held to account. Not just by the message board administrators, but by He who will hold each of us accountable for all we do and say.Look, I apologized for my earlier comment. Even though I don't share your religion, it was rude of me to post that.
But to threaten me by pointing out that the flying spaghetti monster (ie. "He who will hold each of us accountable for all we do and say") will take offense, that's just over the line. I carry Parmessian and talk like a pirate just like every other virtuous person. His noodley appendage and meatbally goodness extend to me even though I do make the occasional mistake.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, now THAT is snarky.
Leave the religious stuff alone dude, that is something not worth of argument.
WHAT? Good is as good does. Mr. Fishy once had a Imp trapped in a jar for two hundred years. Upon his release the party paladin reached for his weapon.
The Imp looked the paladin in the Eye and said, "I'll admit I'm evil but been in that jar for two hundred years so I haven't done any evil in that time...So went was the last time you did anything good?"
Putting a bun in another man's oven is not good.
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Collateral damage after the fact is unacceptable. - my 2cpWhy?
Civilian casualties DURING a war is something that cannot be avoided and is very regrettable; having them occur outside of the war is something that should never happen.
EDIT: just realized i repeated myself. it's been a long day. Basically using weapons that have such a lasting impact is irresponsible because there is no way that two countries are going to be at war forever.
Almost, but don't forget, that both mortals AND immortals can cause "destruction and death". If the celestial armies pursued the evil hordes to the lower planes to cause "destruction and death" then they would fall and become evil. If an angle murders a devil, he falls. Such is the trap of evil.
That's really not the reason they don't do it.
You REALLY should read Planescape and the book of Exalted Deeds and Vile Darkness.
I am heavily tempted not to interject because I am never going to alter any ones long held convictions. Yahoo futility!
Part of the reason why alignment is such a messy topic to discuss is that it is dimension extend far beyond the game. Good and evil are something we all experience and observe and have a concept related as to how we live our lives. Most people tend to believe themselves good. Instead of reflection on our behaviours and connecting with the perspective of the individuals they have harmed (whether the 60 carnival goers, the hijacked plane passengers, the inhabitants of Hiroshima etc) the create an elaborate web work of rationalizations to cut those they have harmed or call the enemy from the rest of humanity where it becomes justifiable to do "necessary" evils as several of the comments have pointed out.
What people making such judgements don't realize is that is the same sort of logic which the BBG/terrorist/conquerors themselves us.
For example if it was Imperial japan dropping an atomic bomb on Los Angeles, New York or else where to avoid a costly land invasion would not Xpltvdeleted angurment not hold water for them as well? Or for that matter terriorist blowing themselves up along with passers by to kill their military opponent, as there opponent placed themselves admidst throng.
Civilian casualties DURING a war is something that cannot be avoided and is very regrettable; having them occur outside of the war is something that should never happen
Both are evil actions.
I don't care if they're "unavoidable" and "regrettable." It's still an evil action.
That's what so many of you aren't grasping - it doesn't matter what your reasons for doing an evil action are. IT'S STILL AN EVIL ACTION.
OK!!! Mr. Fishy is here...ALL IS LOST! FLEE, FLEE FOR YOUR LIVES! SACRIFICE THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST!
:)
You REALLY should read the book of Exalted Deeds and Vile Darkness.*eyetwitch* IC or OOC?
I gotta say I thought the same thing. :) But I do like Mr. Fishy, fun Fish.
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Basically using weapons that have such a lasting impact is irresponsible because there is no way that two countries are going to be at war forever.Killing people with ANY weapon has a lasting impact. Killing 1000 civilians in a town has a lasting impact for decades if not centuries after no matter if you kill them with a bomb or a gun.
Also, why is torture illegal? That does not even involve innocents necessarily.
Plus, perhaps you should brush up on your world history. The same countries that were going to war with each other at the dawn of civilization are still at his 1000s of years later.
Wow, I didn't know that! Really, you mean all this killing in the middle east stuff didn't start in 2001? Who'da thunk it?
But seriously...
torture = illegal because it's ineffective 90% of the time and the gain isn't worth the effort.
And you know what i meant by the "lasting impact" comment. Yes destroying a town will have a lasting impact, but that impact is not the same as using a gas or landmine that will kill or maim someone decades or centuries down the line. The former at least has a grasp on what is going on and could (in theory) have fled when the war broke out. The latter has no idea why they were grievously injured or killed...wasn't their wary in any way whatsoever.
Evil implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others.The bolded part states nothing of the kind "if u kill evil people than it's all right".
So by YOUR logic and by RAW as you people see it, killing and hurting is evil, period.
It says 'evil implies killing others'. That's not the same thing as 'anyone killing anything ever equates to an evil alignment'. Now calm down and consider that we all play this game where the good guys and the bad guys fight (shudder). And then consider that, in the game, the bad guys actually do have signs attached to them that say 'I'm evil'. Consider the moral implications of having tangible proof that evil actually exists. This changes the morality play in this thread entirely. You can choose to understand these differences between the game and reality or not.
It says 'evil implies killing others'. That's not the same thing as 'anyone killing anything ever equates to an evil alignment'. Now calm down and consider that we all play this game where the good guys and the bad guys fight (shudder). And then consider that, in the game, the bad guys actually do have signs attached to them that say 'I'm evil'. Consider the moral implications of having tangible proof that evil actually exists. This changes the morality play in this thread entirely. You can choose to understand these differences between the game and reality or not.
Evil implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others.The bolded part states nothing of the kind "if u kill evil people than it's all right".
So by YOUR logic and by RAW as you people see it, killing and hurting is evil, period.
I agree with you there buddy, really do.
But if we follow the SRD statement to the letter there is no way of ever playing a Good character, except if he is a pacifist and a vegetarian.The thing is, I don't see Killing as inherently evil. Destroying Evil is the duty of good people. If someone is redemable, even at great personal cost that's the best course of action, if not, destroying him or it, is the best course of action.
Don't need to read them. Already know the answer.
What we have here is a deontological ethicist. Things are good and evil by virtue of what they are.
Basically using weapons that have such a lasting impact is irresponsible because there is no way that two countries are going to be at war forever.
What we have here is a consequentialist ethicist. Or a casuist. Hard to tell the difference sometimes. Anyway, things are good and evil by virtue of their outcomes.
These two philosophical schools are FUNDAMENTALLY opposed to each other. There is no chance at dialogue, reason, or compromise since the underlying assumptions are inherrently incompatable.
The differing views on the Devil question I asked proves this analysis.
In other words, you are just spinning your wheels without making any progress. This argument dates to Aristotle and Plato, and will not, nor will ever be, resolved. It's a "chicken or egg", "unstoppable force vs immovable object" type argument. The definitions of each preclude the existance of the other.
And to the Pastafarian, SMURF-you! All hail Lord Xemu!