Tensor |
(this is not a math puzzle)
An idler sighed: “Everyone says, ‘We don’t need idlers. You are always in the way. Go to the devil!’ But will the devil tell me to get rich?”
No sooner did the idler say this than the devil himself stood in front of him.
“Well,” said the devil, “the work I have for you is light, and you will get rich. Do you see that bridge? Just walk across and I will double the money you have now. In fact, each time you cross I will double your money.”
“You don’t say!”
“But there is one small thing. Since I am so generous you must give me $24 after each crossing.”
The idler agreed. He crossed the bridge, stopped to count his money …a miracle! It had doubled.
He threw $24 to the devil and crossed again. His money doubled, he paid another $24, crossed a third time. Again his money doubled. But now he had only $24, and he had to give it all to the devil. The devil laughed and vanished.
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The moral: When anyone gives you advice you should think before you act. How much money did the idler start with?
Answer:
It is probably best to think about this backwards. Before the third crossing the idler had $12. Adding the $24 he gave the devil after the second crossing, he had $36, twice the $18 he had before the second crossing. Adding $24 again, he had $42, twice the $21 he started with.
Chris Mortika RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
Tensor |
Hey, Tensor. I got it; thanks for the diversion!
But in what way is this not a math puzzle? (Variations on it, with different things that happen during the iteration, are standard fare in math classrooms and math teacher training workshops.)
Lets call this a Finance Puzzle.
I'm trying to alleviate math-phobia with the power of suggestion.
Celestial Healer |
I got it right, but all I can say is... You know who isn't a genius? The guy who crossed the bridge...
Freehold DM |
Chris Mortika wrote:Hey, Tensor. I got it; thanks for the diversion!
But in what way is this not a math puzzle? (Variations on it, with different things that happen during the iteration, are standard fare in math classrooms and math teacher training workshops.)
Lets call this a Finance Puzzle.
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Waitaminute...there was math involved in that problem! FRAUD! FRAUD! goes back to hide underneath math-impervious lead shielding
Christopher Dudley RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32 |
Celestial Healer |
My dad told me this one.
When I was as old as you are, you were half as old as I am. When you are as old as I am, together we'll be 63. How old am I?
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Finally got it.
Calixymenthillian |
DoveArrow wrote:My dad told me this one.
When I was as old as you are, you were half as old as I am. When you are as old as I am, together we'll be 63. How old am I?
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Finally got it.
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x+(x-y)+y+(x-y)=63 => 3x-y = 63 => 3y=63
Chris Mortika RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
I got the same answer as Calixymenthillian, but I chose to set the variables as Y = "your current age" and D = difference in ages.
So the speaker's current age is Y + D.
The restrictions literally translate then as:
Y - D = 1/2 (Y + D)
and
(Y + D) + (Y + D + D) = 63.
The first sentence simplifies down to
Y = 3 * D.
So we substitute "3D" into the second equation wherever there's a Y.
(3D + D) + (3D + D + D) = 63
9D = 63.
John Woodford |
Celestial Healer wrote:** spoiler omitted **DoveArrow wrote:My dad told me this one.
When I was as old as you are, you were half as old as I am. When you are as old as I am, together we'll be 63. How old am I?
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Finally got it.
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Those don't fit the first constraint (as I read it):
John Woodford |
John, the first constraint says "half as old as I am now".
I got that on the second read--perils of rushing through, I suppose. That particular incorrect solution (cf. Celestial Healer's answer, above) was internally consistent, though.
DoveArrow |
I got the same answer as Calixymenthillian, but I chose to set the variables as Y = "your current age" and D = difference in ages.
My dad once figured out how to solve it with one variable. I can't remember how he did it, though. It was back when I was still just trying to figure out what the riddle was asking.
DoveArrow |
Uh, can I just say that that one about the ages works so much better in real-world terms if it's about the age of a pair of siblings than about a father and child.
It's not about a father and child. I mentioned that my dad told me the riddle. However, he wasn't talking about us. After all, when he was as old as I am, I wasn't born yet. :P
Chris Mortika RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
My dad once figured out how to solve it with one variable. I can't remember how he did it, though. It was back when I was still just trying to figure out what the riddle was asking.
Well, it's a system of two equations in two unknowns. You can solve them simultaneously or, as we've been discussing, by substitution. But there's no way to start the process with only one unknown.
Celestial Healer |
Chris Mortika wrote:Well, it's a system of two equations in two unknowns. You can solve them simultaneously or, as we've been discussing, by substitution. But there's no way to start the process with only one unknown.I wholeheartedly agree with you. However, I'm just telling you what I remember.
He may have been using substitution but glossing over that part, so the first step that he put down on paper was where he had already reduced it to one variable.