I have a player wanting to use shrink item on the body left behind during use of a magic jar spell, so that the body is easier for the remaining party members to transport. I was wondering what others opinions maybe on allowing something like this to go on.
First, would the spell in question be valid for corpse transportation in of itself. Is a body considered an 'object' of the same nature as a box or a rock?
Second, is the body under the effect of the magic jar truly a corpse? To my mind, there would have to be some residual magic maintaining the body to keep from having organ damage on return (brain damage starts shortly after lack of oxygen, but magic jar allows the caster to be out of body for hours). Also, there is some magical connection to the body with the caster's soul to have it 'spring' back to the body upon the ending of the spell (if the body is in range).
Personally, I don't like the idea of having the party walk around with the tiny body in a sack and gem to allow the caster to dominate target after target after target for hours on end for a single spell. It seems kind of cheesy and exploitative. But I can't find any solid answer against it, other than it's my world, so no, and I hate going that route if at all possible.
Thank you in advance for your thoughts on the subject.
It seems kind of cheesy and exploitative. But I can't find any solid answer against it, other than it's my world, so no, and I hate going that route if at all possible.
If you don't want to go with "it's my world" (which you really should get over imo, as it's the best reason for many things) then how about the first part of your sentence? Players know when they're being cheesy and exploitative.. they're just seeing if you'll call them on it.
If you don't want to go with "it's my world" (which you really should get over imo, as it's the best reason for many things) then how about the first part of your sentence? Players know when they're being cheesy and exploitative.. they're just seeing if you'll call them on it.
I try to find the rules justification, rather than just say no. I've a couple of rules lawyers in my group, and it saves some time at the table. I've even found several times where the players have come up with a use, or action, that I hadn't even considered, and it actually seems to be a valid interpretation.
This one just really seems to be not as the rules intended.
Thanks for the input guys.
I have a player wanting to use shrink item on the body left behind during use of a magic jar spell, so that the body is easier for the remaining party members to transport. I was wondering what others opinions maybe on allowing something like this to go on.
First, would the spell in question be valid for corpse transportation in of itself. Is a body considered an 'object' of the same nature as a box or a rock?
Second, is the body under the effect of the magic jar truly a corpse? To my mind, there would have to be some residual magic maintaining the body to keep from having organ damage on return (brain damage starts shortly after lack of oxygen, but magic jar allows the caster to be out of body for hours). Also, there is some magical connection to the body with the caster's soul to have it 'spring' back to the body upon the ending of the spell (if the body is in range).
Personally, I don't like the idea of having the party walk around with the tiny body in a sack and gem to allow the caster to dominate target after target after target for hours on end for a single spell. ause It seems kind of cheesy and exploitative. But I can't find any solid answer against it, other than it's my world, so no, and I hate going that route if at all possible.
Thank you in advance for your thoughts on the subject.
A corpse is most definitely an object. A dominated person can be held prisoner and magic jar'd, though keeping it in an extra dimensional space might cause said prisoner to suffocate (depending on your GM's interpretation). A corpse cannot be magic jar'd as the spell targets creatures, not objects.
Let your players keep the prisoner. It's one of the few ways to get full use out of magic jar (especially if it is a powerful body).
Hm. I was going to say that the soulless body was still a creature, but looking at the spell description, it says the body is "lifeless" and can be "destroyed" (as opposed to killed). So I'd say it's an object.
Now if you're saying that Magic Jar is overpowered, I might be tempted to agree with you.