|
Racial modifiers are one thing, but when you say "No, all elves have to act this way, all rogues have to act this way, adhere to the stereotype!" then you're being a bad DM.
Not at all, all cultures have the "right" way to do things. And doing it any other way is down right scandalous
Except when you do things like 'Tieflings get a +1 damage to all powers with the Fire keyword' rather than 'Tieflings most often employ abilities that summon hellfire from their blood.'
Wait... your saying dwarves don't make furniture and such out of wood? I understand their baseline construction is stone, but I'd much rather put a couch cushion over a wooden frame than a stone one. Same goes for a bed.
Maybe that's why you're not a dwarf ;)
Wait... your saying dwarves don't make furniture and such out of wood? I understand their baseline construction is stone, but I'd much rather put a couch cushion over a wooden frame than a stone one. Same goes for a bed.
Well someone may make them. But almost everything is tone or iron, someone may make fabric but no son of the master forger is gonna work in wood like some elf, I'll tell you that, not if he has anything to say about it.
Most default dwarfs would see wood as something unworthy of real craftmenship as it just does not last. Why spend months lovely crafting something that wont last more then a generation or 3. It's not like steel or stone that last. It is just counter to the normal dwarf mindset
Oh yeah I'll be sending ya that primmer tonight or in the morning. Far warning although not as large as it could be it's around 12 pages or so
Not at all, all cultures have the "right" way to do things. And doing it any other way is down right scandalous
Not necessarily.
Not everything is a big deal. As I recall, in Italian culture, it's traditional for the son to take up his father's trade, resulting in, say, five generations of plumbers (if that's not true, just go with it anyways). That doesn't make it scandalous for the son to take some other profession. It may be somewhat disappointing for the family, but odds are if Dario becomes an electrician or an accountant rather than a plumber like his father, it's going to be accepted fairly easily. Sure, there will be some families where it's a bigger deal than others, and there is a chance Grandpa Luigi will be heartbroken, but overall? Not really a huge deal.
Not every deviation from the norm is scandal. Sure, there'll be some that are a big deal, but to say that everything is a big deal is getting pretty dang silly.
Female Elf mages have to wear bikini's into battle, though. Any who don't are crazy.
You should see what's left of the last DM who tried to force bikini mail on my barbarian.
Well someone may make them. But almost everything is tone or iron, someone may make fabric but no son of the master forger is gonna work in wood like some elf, I'll tell you that, not if he has anything to say about it.
Most default dwarfs would see wood as something unworthy of real craftmenship as it just does not last. Why spend months lovely crafting something that wont last more then a generation or 3. It's not like steel or stone that last. It is just counter to the normal dwarf mindset
If dwarves are supposed to be the greatest architects and engineers of their setting, they're liable to see that advantages of all materials, wood included. Wood does have some legitimate advantages that, if dwarves are indeed wise engineers, they would have to acknowledge. Properly treated, it can last a long, long time, as well.
And there plenty of cases where you need a transient object of considerable quality. If you're pulling out the siege weaponry, you want something inexpensive, capable of being mass-produced, and still high-quality. I just can't see dwarves being so hard-headed as to dredge out impractical stone-and-iron catapults when they're supposed to be these super clever engineers.
|
You should see what's left of the last DM who tried to force bikini mail on my barbarian.
Violence is never the answer, unless oddly enough you are a barbarian. So in this case its fine, except that you aren't your character, except that you are. In which case that means that its okay, unless its not okay, which is to say that... Arguing in circles is nearly as fun as chasing one's tail.
Edit: You guys are too much fun, i've tried quitting this thread several times but you all keep drawing me back like a pancake addict.
I don't know. You are taking a fantasy setting's society and comparing it to how parts of a real society should work, which is silly, AND having the audacity to misquote me when we're on a written text board. I am done with that argument.
You can actually make very comfy furniture out of stone. I forget where, but this guy obsessed with Egyptian mythology carved himself an outdoor home out of all stone structures. The bed and chairs didn't look like much, but they were amazingly comfy. I double-checked I was laying on stone.
From that same angle, you could go the dwarf fortress route where the dwarves do all their necessary farming for fabric and whatnot using subterranean plants. Subterranean cotton... Now there's a crop farmers in the real world would love to get their hands on.
You should see what's left of the last DM who tried to force bikini mail on my barbarian.
Wow, that's a step back. Was this in the 80's or actually modern day? And if so did the DM think he was in the 80's?
Not every deviation from the norm is scandal. Sure, there'll be some that are a big deal, but to say that everything is a big deal is getting pretty dang silly.
I never said everything. I gave examples of things that might be. Every culture has what it thinks of as the norm, and if ya wonder to far from that most folks will find you odd to say the lest.
You should see what's left of the last DM who tried to force bikini mail on my barbarian.
Good call naked barbarian always confuse the orcs
You think that's bad you should have seen what she looked like after she got rid of the damned chainmail ;) All naked and covered in blood, with a seering white rage burning in her eyes. Beautiful I tell you, beautiful.
I was lucky she held the pose long enough for me to freeze it in my mind before I disappeared back over the hill I'd climbed hearing the combat. Luckily for me I have a talent for the brush, so I've managed to render her visage that day on an easel. I'll let you look for 5 dollars :D
Are you talking the pose where I drew his lungs out through his back like wings, the one where I was shoving his still-beating heart down his throat, or the one where I minced his innards and donned his flesh as a cloak?
And I do believe I am owed dues. Will those be paid in cash or blood?
Wow, that's a step back. Was this in the 80's or actually modern day? And if so did the DM think he was in the 80's?
Modern day. Just a couple years ago, in fact. I ran one character who was a little aggressive, and it takes months for this guy to realize, I'm not playing that character anymore, and even if I was, that sort of stuff isn't appropriate. Bah. I don't know what's worse. The boys forgetting I'm not a guy or the boys remembering I'm not a guy.
Wow, that's a step back. Was this in the 80's or actually modern day? And if so did the DM think he was in the 80's?Modern day. Just a couple years ago, in fact. I ran one character who was a little aggressive, and it takes months for this guy to realize, I'm not playing that character anymore, and even if I was, that sort of stuff isn't appropriate. Bah. I don't know what's worse. The boys forgetting I'm not a guy or the boys remembering I'm not a guy.
That sucks dude. I mean girl. I mean... I'm going to lose organs over this, aren't I?
I think the most horrible thing I've done to a girl player as a DM is have a crazy old woman NPC think her elf druid was her daughter and complain about her not being married yet. She thought that was hilarious though.
There was also that time I killed my girlfriend's character with the nastiest out of the sets of traps I had set up, but that was bad luck on her part (Everyone else had another PC, the kobolds locked her up with her animal companion). And fortunately for me she got better.
Not at all, all cultures have the "right" way to do things. And doing it any other way is down right scandalousNot necessarily.
Not everything is a big deal. As I recall, in Italian culture, it's traditional for the son to take up his father's trade, resulting in, say, five generations of plumbers (if that's not true, just go with it anyways). That doesn't make it scandalous for the son to take some other profession. It may be somewhat disappointing for the family, but odds are if Dario becomes an electrician or an accountant rather than a plumber like his father, it's going to be accepted fairly easily. Sure, there will be some families where it's a bigger deal than others, and there is a chance Grandpa Luigi will be heartbroken, but overall? Not really a huge deal.
Except that could be a VERY huge deal for a character. It can ostricize you from your family (I have a friend in the US it happened to). In a small community, people know if you and the rest of your family aren't speaking to eachother. If they want to stay on your family's good graces, many will avoid you. Suddenly this "not really a huge deal" can make you unwelcome in a community.
Sounds like a good reason to start adventuring.
That sucks dude. I mean girl. I mean... I'm going to lose organs over this, aren't I?
I accept 'dude,' mostly because I despise 'dudette.' And no need to get all worked up. I'm not one to slaughter lightly. Only when someone deserves it.
Except that could be a VERY huge deal for a character. It can ostricize you from your family (I have a friend in the US it happened to). In a small community, people know if you and the rest of your family aren't speaking to eachother. If they want to stay on your family's good graces, many will avoid you. Suddenly this "not really a huge deal" can make you unwelcome in a community.
Sounds like a good reason to start adventuring.
'Could' is very different from 'does, by necessity.' Deviating from social norms does not necessitate ostracism or scandal. In most cases, there's a lot more to it than, "If you do X, then the community will automatically look down on you." What's a big, life-changing event in Dario's life may not be a big deal at all when Luigi does the exact same thing.
That sucks dude. I mean girl. I mean... I'm going to lose organs over this, aren't I?I accept 'dude,' mostly because I despise 'dudette.' And no need to get all worked up. I'm not one to slaughter lightly. Only when someone deserves it.
Just trying to be funny. Playing on your quoted dislike a bit is all.
'Could' is very different from 'does, by necessity.' Deviating from social norms does not necessitate ostracism or scandal. In most cases, there's a lot more to it than, "If you do X, then the community will automatically look down on you." What's a big, life-changing event in Dario's life may not be a big deal at all when Luigi does the exact same thing.Except that could be a VERY huge deal for a character. It can ostricize you from your family (I have a friend in the US it happened to). In a small community, people know if you and the rest of your family aren't speaking to eachother. If they want to stay on your family's good graces, many will avoid you. Suddenly this "not really a huge deal" can make you unwelcome in a community.
Sounds like a good reason to start adventuring.
If they're in a very traditional and conservative culture, the family might be talked into throwing Luigi out by the community as well. In a small community, surprisingly, the majority carries a lot more weight. I tend to structure my towns more like clans socially, so if you mess with one, you mess with 'em all. This is partially from an old group that used to try burning down towns for kicks.
Like I said, the things true about the world, the players, etc. all apply for every one of these exercises. In a (true) Medieval setting chasing people out of town shouldn't be commonplace, but old bad habits of society like racism, sexism etc. could be norms for that society. Hell, the English and the French are both Caucasian, they live right next to each other, and they hate each others guts. They've fought each other tooth and nail in the past. They've got different facial features, different hair colors maybe, but the big thing is their different cultures. In a traditional Dwarven society who is conservative, how do they treat an elven visitor? A human? A goblin? Not in the same way. They can't even compare themselves to them by looks. And a small society might just make one of the visitors they didn't like disappear in an unfortunate mining accident. Why? Well because someone told them to. Who was it again? Their grandpa, brother, I'm sure it was one of them. But, you're a human, you're welcome to stay and enjoy our fine ale.
Sorry, the river here was hell, a cow fell in or something, VV here so what are we arguing about.
Ok kyrt-ryder,the mail is sent. There are bond to be spelling errors and such, and the dwarf god section is basically empty as no one played one so it was never expanded, we have bounced ideals back and forth but as of yet it's still kinda blank
Also I did not include any planner info,or anything beyond the base area of the game. Most areas just got a brief once over with expanded info on places the pc's had visited
Sorry if anything is a bit confusing as this is my first try at getting the info in one spot for someone else to read, although I'll be sending it to players as well, even if they know most of it already.
no problem, I'll be expanding it and am starting to compile all my info in one spot, but am gonna get that version(maybe cleaned up a bit) as a basic info primmer
ok 2nd try, I don't think I mispelled it unless I put a yahoo or gmail or something on the end. It did not give me the mailer demon thing so someone got it :)
Humm didn't notice I used my name. Ah yeah forgot I had it on that account. Yeah I used to catch hell over that name growing up. Even today folks will call me for something and ask for my wife..sigh
Agh I saved it in open office, I can save it in rtf or doc if that would work better, I'll send one of them
edit: Have resent it in both formats
Well I wrote in in open office and didn't think to change the format, I do not type all that much so didn't think about it.
heh ok then, I tried to save it in text format but ugh, it was all over the place. Sentences running on for a mail and all that
I do everything on paper, but it has got harder to write for long periods over the last few years and I just keep it in my head. Now I am starting to put stuff on the computer as I can type a bit longer then I can write
well I can't really type but it gets on here anyhow
yeah that would help. I am a fast typer, but of the two finger type, and gods the mis spelling, it's rough. I have been getting better, mostly from boards and IM's and such. But trying to get some game info typed up helps, I am just really slow at it.
lol, well they just have to deal. I am not as bad if I have time to go over things alot. I just never got out of two finger typing,and still got to look at the keys. But, eh it gets typed.
I do plan to clean that up a bit and expand on it. I didn't go into great detail on much outside magic, and that was just go it gets understood a bit easier.
Heh, but gods I do type oh so slow. Thank the gods for spell check eh.