Globe of Invulnerability vs. Antimagic Field


Rules Questions


Not the effect the two have on eachother, but as a comparison;

to me, it seems as the Globe of Invulnerability and the Antimagic Field Spells are near-identical (that is; for low level parties). The description of the GoI-spells state that all spells and spell-like effects are suppressed in the field, same as the antimagic field.

Does this mean that the Globe of Invulnerability can also be used to dismiss all 'Conjuration (Summoning)' effects? What about other effects (Mage Armour, Bull's Strengt, +1 Equipment (=CL3)) that are in the area of the GoI spell when it is first cast, are those automaticly negated? Or should a save or check be rolled for them?
Because, if I remember correctly, you can't actually force an Abjuration effect onto something, it has to be brought inside the effect, not the other way around.

What about an +1 (=CL3) Axiomatic (=CL7) Longsword (for example) that is brought into an Lesser Globe of Invulnerability. Is the Enhancment bonus negated, but not the special quality?


Bog wrote:
The description of the GoI-spells state that all spells and spell-like effects are suppressed in the field, same as the antimagic field.

antimagic field also explicitly states magic items and supernatural abilities.

Bog wrote:
Does this mean that the globe of invulnerability can also be used to dismiss all 'Conjuration (Summoning)' effects?

Not dismiss, but supress. I guess so...

Bog wrote:
What about other effects ((1) mage armor, (2) bull's strength, (3) +1 equipment (=CL3)) that are in the area of the GoI spell when it is first cast, are those automaticly negated? Or should a save or check be rolled for them?

(1) Suppressed

(2) Suppressed
(3) Not suppressed (unless it is ordinary equipment under the effect of magic weapon)
No saves allowed.

Bog wrote:
Because, if I remember correctly, you can't actually force an Abjuration effect onto something, it has to be brought inside the effect, not the other way around.
prd wrote:
If an abjuration creates a barrier that keeps certain types of creatures at bay, that barrier cannot be used to push away those creatures. If you force the barrier against such a creature, you feel a discernible pressure against the barrier. If you continue to apply pressure, you end the spell.

Since GoI isn't keeping any creature at bay, the above text does not apply.

Bog wrote:
What about an +1 (=CL3) Axiomatic (=CL7) Longsword (for example) that is brought into an Lesser Globe of Invulnerability. Is the Enhancment bonus negated, but not the special quality?

Already answered: not suppressed.

Regards,
Zairos ;)


Thank you! I did not realize only creatures could withstand an Abjuration being forced on them (Although lorewise, I think this doesn't really make sense..).

The suppressing ability could still lead to some confusion I'm afraid; what if a 'delayed' spell was cast in the Antimagic Field? Can they even be casted? For example: Delayed Blast Fireball, Symbol of X (Does it come in effect as soon as the field is removed?)

The Globe is a very interesting spell. I can't wait to use it for some villain, who casts the field in a confined space, then steps back to let his melee henchmen open up that can of whoopass. That will teach the Cleric to prepare some other spells instead of that 4x Bull's Strength and other buffs he always prepares.. *evil laughter*.


Bog wrote:
The suppressing ability could still lead to some confusion I'm afraid; what if a 'delayed' spell was cast in the Antimagic Field? Can they even be casted? For example: Delayed Blast Fireball, Symbol of X (Does it come in effect as soon as the field is removed?)

A spell cannot be cast inside an anti-magic field.

If a delayed blast fireball were cast, and then an anti-magic field engulfed the delayed blast, it would be surpressed. If the anti-magic field were removed BEFORE the intended detonation, it would detonate as normal. However, I would rule that if the anti-magic field were over the delayed blast when it was intended to go off, the blast would be surpressed and would have no effect. I believe this is consistant with how an anti-magic field works but I've been in limited battles with one, so I dunno for sure ;).


I just realized I missed a small part of the spell description:

prd wrote:
spells already in effect when the globe is cast are not affected by the globe.

This makes the spells mage armor and bull's strength already in effect mentioned not affected by the globe.

The spell description also states that the globe is immobile, which makes it suppress summoned creatures only if the summon is cast after the GoI and only if either the creatures are summoned inside the globe or head into it.

Bog wrote:
The suppressing ability could still lead to some confusion I'm afraid; what if a 'delayed' spell was cast in the Antimagic Field? Can they even be casted? For example: Delayed Blast Fireball, Symbol of X (Does it come in effect as soon as the field is removed?)

Supposing the delayed blast fireball (7th level spell) can be affected by the GoI, the GoI would just exclude the area of the explosion where it overlaps the GoI. It's not really clear, because altough delayed blast fireball is an area spell, it creates an effect (the glowing bead), which should be suppressed while inside the GoI, but that doesn't happen RAW.

About the symbol of x, the effect is suppressed if inside the GoI, so it can't be triggered.

Regards,
Zairos

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