Is there any plans for a Pathfinder Companion &/or a adventure path ( with Players's guide) based in Tian ? I love the old Oriental Adventures & Kara Tur stuff for AD&D . I want some Tian goodness for Pathfinder RPG & the Pathfinder Chronicles setting.Gimme Gimme!!!
I could be wrong, but nothing from 2nd edition AD&D is Open Gaming License(d)..
Therefore, nothing from it can be carried over. So no Spelljammer, no Maztica, no KaraTur, no Al'quadim, etc..
But someone feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.
-S
Yeah, Paizo can't use any of the old stuff...so they'll just have to make some new stuff. :D
which just means we'll have to come up with our own. Which is fine with me.
me too
Must clarify.. I wasn't asking Paizo if they could use OA/KT stuff for Pathfinder. I was just saying I loved the old Kara Tur/OA stuff & was wondering ... when there might be a Pathfinder Chronicles Companion &/or Adventure Path based in Tian Xia as I want some Oriental goodness for PFC.
Eventually, yes... there'll be an Adventure Path that goes to Tian Xia. And there'll be plenty of associated books to support it. We can't use Kara-Tur or any of the other WotC material, though... which just means we'll have to come up with our own. Which is fine with me.
Cool any idea when such a product especially a Pathfinder Chronicles Companion for Tian Xia will see light of day ? I prefer the PC companion as APs are out of my price range currently.
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Why do you have to have a specific one for a Tian Xi setting? The ones they have already in Golarian work just fine.
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Maybe it’s just me, but I could easily see both of these as being real big in an oriental campaign. Keep in mind that Hercules was once considered one of the protectors of the Budha. So anything you want to extrapolate from the European-centric region that has been explored so far in the A.P.’s and Modules in no way invalidates their use on the other side of the world.
Because I want official Tian Xia goodness :) I have the main PFCS but would like to see more official info on these lands & peoples. I don't want to do the work myself & then when Paizo comes out with theirs , then have to scrap mine.I know I wouldn't have to scrap it but I'd prefer to use an official supplement I can then tweak for my own use.
Also I'm working on my own Post Apocalyptic & Fantasy settings for use with another game system so I don't have time to work on my own version of Tian Xia for PFC.
Eventually, yes... there'll be an Adventure Path that goes to Tian Xia. And there'll be plenty of associated books to support it. We can't use Kara-Tur or any of the other WotC material, though... which just means we'll have to come up with our own. Which is fine with me.
What about L5R stuff? WotC licensed that from AEG, So could you license it from AEG also?
Although I'm sure Paizo-created OA would be awesome too! And I'm thinking Paizo created Tian stuff would incorporate all the cultures, not just Japanese culture...Which I would welcome.
Why do you have to have a specific one for a Tian Xi setting? The ones they have already in Golarian work just fine.
[Goes on about Golarion goddesses]
He said goodness, not goddess. :)
Personally, I would rather not see half a year's worth of product dedicated to pseudo-east-asian stuff when there's still so much left of Avistan and Garund to explore. And beyond these continents, I'd very much prefer to see Arcadia or Casmaron explored than Tian Xia.
Pay no attention to Zaister's heresy. Tian Xia content would be marvy.
Eventually, yes... there'll be an Adventure Path that goes to Tian Xia. And there'll be plenty of associated books to support it. We can't use Kara-Tur or any of the other WotC material, though... which just means we'll have to come up with our own. Which is fine with me.What about L5R stuff? WotC licensed that from AEG, So could you license it from AEG also?
Although I'm sure Paizo-created OA would be awesome too! And I'm thinking Paizo created Tian stuff would incorporate all the cultures, not just Japanese culture...Which I would welcome.
From what I've read in the PFCS book, the various Tian subraces cover various different Asian cultures. The Tian-Dan seem to be based loosely on the Vietnamese , while the Tian-Min on the Japanese , the Tian-Shu the Chinese.. I don't know about the Tian-Sing .. possibly Tibetan & the Tian-La as Mongolian . This is mainly based on the sample names given in the PFC book's write up on the Tian.
On a side note it looks like I'll have to change the name of my Pseudi-Chinese Empire from Tian-Long to something else or maybe not grrr LOL.
Why do you have to have a specific one for a Tian Xi setting? The ones they have already in Golarian work just fine.
[Goes on about Golarion goddesses]
He said goodness, not goddess. :)
Personally, I would rather not see half a year's worth of product dedicated to pseudo-east-asian stuff when there's still so much left of Avistan and Garund to explore. And beyond these continents, I'd very much prefer to see Arcadia or Casmaron explored than Tian Xia.
A Tian Xia AP wouldn't be nessessary but a PFC Companion giving a in depth overview on the lands & people would be choice.Then eventually further Companions eventually dealing with the individual cultures in more detail.Then a AP or series of APs set in Tian Xia.
I think it's been previously stated that a Pathfinder Chronicles Companion book wouldn't be enough to do justice to Tian Xia, and would likely be a hardcover book.
I think it's been previously stated that a Pathfinder Chronicles Companion book wouldn't be enough to do justice to Tian Xia, and would likely be a hardcover book.
If so, I'd buy that if they go that route. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for it.
When it comes to an Asian setting for Golrion, I would rather see all original from Paizo than reworking of someone else's asian setting (Kara-tur/Rokugan) anyway. So I am glad those are both pretty much or entirely off-limits.
Never thought TSR or Wizards handled Oriental Advantures all that well myself. I will admit, a lrage part of that is I am a lot more critical when it comes to asian settings. Legend of the Five Rings, Qin" thw Warring States and Sengoku top my list of Asian settings. L5R more than the other for developing an original world based on Japanese culture (with a dash of Mongol in one case) and Chinese geography. The other two were great in incorporating the mystical into primarily historic settings.
Wonder how compatible Heroes of the Jade Oath would be with PFRPG.
-Weylin
I like Kara Tur mainly for nostalgic reasons. LoFRs.. is ok, but I'm not big on learning a new rule set. I'd have bought the D20 version but was pissed that they used the L5R setting instead of the original KT setting. I wanted an updated version of that to add to my FR campaigns. That won't happen now so I'll wait for Paizo's Tian Xia books. How is the Qin: the Warring States RPG ?
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I personally think Qin is a fantastic game. The system itself is based in part around chinese mysticism. For example, the attributes are based on the five elements of the Wu Hsing (earth, fire, water, metal and wood), the amount of chi a character has is based on how balanced he is (if you max out physical or mental attributes you get less chi than someone who has lower levels of both but they are closer). The dice mechanic is simple and direct...1 white die and one black die (yin and yang)...subtract the lowest from the highest.The fighting abilities (manuevers), chi arts (taos) and sorcery are very evocative of the setting (pre-unification china) and more restrained than Weapons of the Gods while still being very wu xia.
Personally, it is one of my favorite systems-settings, but i dont have anyone else who plays it in my group.
Cubicle 7 is doing the english translation from the original french now. And just released the GM Screen and a book that expands the sorcery, taos and combat maneuvers.
-Weylin
Just being a fan and player of all the oriental RPG's, I cant wait to see what will be uncovered with Paizo's creation of Tian Xia. Any work put into chinese mysticism is what really interests me. I think they did a fantastic job with the monk and the ki powers, so much so, that my first dive into an AP (second darkness) had me playing a monk. Hopefully, if I can somehow show my abilities in the 2010 Superstar, I could have a hand in the Tian Xia fluff and creation process. That would be a dream come true for me.
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For Japanese-esque Clerics (with Air, Earth, Fire, Water and Void domains) and Chinese-flavored Clerics (with Earth, Fire, Metal, Water and Wood domains), I whipped up Pathfinder versions of Metal, Void and Wood.
Given the Paizo teams love of going back to the basics, it would be interesting to see a Pathfinder Samurai class (which would presumably not be trapped in the two-daisho-fu rut of previous Samurai classes, and have more to do with the Way of the Horse and the Bow).
Even if the Samurai (Shugenja, Wu Jen, Ninja) only existed as a series of substitution levels / alternate class features for the Fighter (Cleric, Wizard/Sorcerer, Rogue), they'd still be pretty darn neat to see. And the one thing that 'Oriental Adventures' books has always seemed to do, both in 1st edition and 3rd, was take the Monk to new levels of awesome.
Then again, Tien Xa might not be as much of a pseudo-China next to pseudo-Japan next to pseudo-Korea pastiche as Kara-Tur was (as much as I loved the Kara-Tur setting, it was much less a unique setting and more of a refluffed tweak of real world cultures, which is something we don't do with European cultures, having pseudo-France next to pseudo-Germany next to pseudo-Italy), in which case any classes or class variants could have little or nothing to do with concepts like Samurai and Ninja, or five-element-themed Wu Jen or Shugenja.
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Unfortunately, I am completely unfamiliar with Arcana Evolved. Have never been a Monte Cook fan so I avoided it.
Shouldnt be too hard to mine Heroes of the Jade Oath for material though.
Asian fantasy are some of my favorite games. Sadly they are a niche game usually and so dont get wide support.
-Weylin
cof cof... Heretic!
lol ok, now seriuously, to each its own, but still is a shame, we have found that to that Monte Cook is both the best and most creative developer in the rpg bussiness these days, at least in the d20 side.mmm classes mightbe useful, ater all they are d20, they will have some quite different aspects but the rest must be workable
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I would personally rather see the samurai, ninja, shukenja, wu-jen done as alternate class features and feats than entire base classes myself.
My thoughts on this statemet:
The ninja would get prestige class consideration since paizo revamped the Assassin the way it did. But I agree with you that it should be a specialization to the monk class by expanding the monk feat options at 1st, 2nd, 6th, 10th, and 14th levels in addition to expanded ki powers associated with those feats if they are chosen.
The samarai would be the easiest to do (IMO) with alterate class features. Giving up monk speed for armor proficiencies, flurry of blows for katana specialization and proficiency (while leaving the bab for using that weapon like a fighters bab).
Since wu-jen and shukenja are casters, it makes it difficult to make them a viable offshoot of the monk class. They scream prestige class to me as it would be difficult to add spells through feats and ACF (alternate class features), unless you wanted the monk to be very limited in spell use. Although, (using the reference of Big trouble in little china), if Ki were used to charge magical type effects, I could easilly see consuming (x) amount of ki to launch a lightning bolt. Wouldnt that be fun...
Anyway, thanks for reading.
CC
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I would personally rather see the samurai, ninja, shukenja, wu-jen done as alternate class features and feats than entire base classes myself.Since wu-jen and shukenja are casters, it makes it difficult to make them a viable offshoot of the monk class.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that Weylin did not intend for the Samura, Shugenja or Wu Jen to be Alternate Class Features of the *Monk* class, but Alternate Class Features of the Fighter/Paladin, Cleric/Druid or Wizard/Sorcerer classes.
Even the Ninja makes more sense as a Rogue ACF than a Monk one. Ninja weren't supposed to be fighters, they were supposed to be *killers.* Sneak Attack represents the one-hit/one-kill mantra of the assassin better than any sort of martial arts flurry of blows stuff.
An assassin who has to hit you twice has already failed to do his job once...
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Set is right, and a samurai is about as off for a monk as a wu-jen! Just giving him a sword does not a samurai make!
Samurai as an alternate fighter would be cool.
!!!Tian goodness Yay!!! !!!Me likie!!!
Eh. If this thread proves one thing, it's that East Asian settings have been done near to death. At this point, it would be pretty difficult to do something that's still recognizably rooted in the history and culture of China/Japan/Korea/Mongolia/Indochina that wouldn't closely resemble something we've already seen in Oriental Adventures, Kara-Tur, Rokugan, etc. Not saying it shouldn't be done, just that it's going to be tough to make it original while still having recognizable parallels to the real human cultures on which it's based (which is what the fans are looking for, as far as I can tell). Not saying I wouldn't buy and use a Tian supplement, but the place I really want to see fully developed is Vudra.
The history and cultures of the Indian Subcontinent are every bit as ancient, rich, and varied as those of China and its cultural satellites (which is what Korea, Japan, Mongolia, and Vietnam effectively are, whether they'd be willing to admit it or not), but they have been far less thoroughly explored in fantasy fiction and RPGs. Paizo could be the first company to do them justice. The hints we have so far look good, and I really hope to see at least a PF Companion, or preferably a hardcover campaign setting expansion detailing the lands and peoples of Vudra.