Hated SRD monsters

[cwslyclgh]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Nani Z. Obringer wrote:

Actually, half my players have been playing D&D for longer than I have, and it takes all the fun out of the mysterious monster "Oh yeah, it's got 5 hit dice and I have its stat block memorized".

Albino red dragon. Problem solved. :)

have you ever heard the story of the wight dragon?

[Aaron Bitman]

cwslyclgh wrote:

have you ever heard the story of the wight dragon?

You mean this one?

[Callous Jack]

For the record, I liked the Arrowhawk too, the illo was great.

[cwslyclgh]

Aaron Bitman wrote:

cwslyclgh wrote:

have you ever heard the story of the wight dragon?

You mean this one?

that's the one.

[Aaron Bitman]

Nope, never heard it.

(Sorry, but you KNEW I just HAD to say that.)

Seriously, though, that story is a good demonstration of why I've put no stock in rumors (since I ran Keep on the Borderlands about a quarter-century ago.) There's no way to tell true rumors from false ones, or in this case, from misleading information.

[John Robey]

My party totally found the head of Vecna once!

-The Gneech

[TriOmegaZero]

Could always be worse. My wife got sent on a mission to rescue the drow king in her first game.

[John Robey]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Could always be worse. My wife got sent on a mission to rescue the drow king in her first game.

From a roving band of snipes?

-The Gneech

[Clockwork pickle]

<--- roper

did I just say that!?!

it is embarrassing enough to be the property of WoTC, but look how they humiliated us in 3E.

we went from being a brutal form of instant justice from the GM in 1E, to being unable to challenge at our CR in 3E. -sigh-

[Gorbacz]

Erm, Ropers are open content. In fact, the Roper chapter in Dungeon Deniznes Revisited is awesome :)

Also, Ropers are one of the most dramatically atered monsters in Pathfinder. Their hit points are 162 (up from 85), bite does 4d8+18 damage (up from 2d6+6), and the DC for weakness is 25 (up from 18).

[Clockwork pickle]

Gorbacz wrote:

Erm, Ropers are open content. In fact, the Roper chapter in Dungeon Deniznes Revisited is awesome :)

Also, Ropers are one of the most dramatically atered monsters in Pathfinder. Their hit points are 162 (up from 85), bite does 4d8+18 damage (up from 2d6+6), and the DC for weakness is 25 (up from 18).

I'M FREEEEE!!!

did they up my Int score too?

[Gorbacz]

Well Roper Int got just a slight boost (13 up from 12), but STR is now 34 instead of 19 and CON is 29 instead of 17 :)

[Kthulhu]

John Robey wrote:

My party totally found the head of Vecna once!

-The Gneech

That's nothing. My party once found the Hand of Vecna, the Eye of Vecna, and the Rest of Vecna. We then re-assembled him.

[Dragonborn3]

Kthulhu wrote:

John Robey wrote:

My party totally found the head of Vecna once!

-The Gneech

That's nothing. My party once found the Hand of Vecna, the Eye of Vecna, and the Rest of Vecna. We then re-assembled him.

Lego-Vecna?

[John Robey]

Kthulhu wrote:

That's nothing. My party once found the Hand of Vecna, the Eye of Vecna, and the Rest of Vecna. We then re-assembled him.

The Rest of Vecna! :D How do you graft -that- onto your stump?

-The Gneech

[Kthulhu]

John Robey wrote:

Kthulhu wrote:

That's nothing. My party once found the Hand of Vecna, the Eye of Vecna, and the Rest of Vecna. We then re-assembled him.

The Rest of Vecna! :D How do you graft -that- onto your stump?

-The Gneech

We didn't try. We just reassembled Vecna himself. Yep, it's our fault that he came back and became a god.

[Studpuffin]

Kthulhu wrote:

John Robey wrote:

Kthulhu wrote:

That's nothing. My party once found the Hand of Vecna, the Eye of Vecna, and the Rest of Vecna. We then re-assembled him.

The Rest of Vecna! :D How do you graft -that- onto your stump?

-The Gneech

We didn't try. We just reassembled Vecna himself. Yep, it's our fault that he came back and became a god.

I still blame NAFTA.

[PathlessBeth]

James Jacobs wrote:

But poke around on the boards and I'm sure you'll find one of us spewing hate for the tojinada or the delver or a few others here and there.

The cynic in me wonders if the 'hate' for delvers and tojianida are just because they are both easy to customize by adding HD and templates, thus decreasing the incentive to purchase more bestiaries. How many people can you really convince to by yet another collection of monsters if you've already given them the tools to make any creature they could imagine? That could also be why much of the useful advice for monster advancement/customization that was in the 3.5 MM was removed from the PF Bestiary.

On the other hand, maybe people just hate the tojanida because its artwork in the MM is just awful. After all, while they've refrained from allowing useful guidelines for HD advancement, Paizo has been otherwise generous in customizable creatures and tools to customize monsters.

[RDM42]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0055.html

[Azouth]

RDM42 wrote:

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0055.html

The Flumphs did get a second chance in Pathfinder.

[PathlessBeth]

Azouth wrote:

RDM42 wrote:

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0055.html

The Flumphs did get a second chance in Pathfinder.

The flumph also wasn't in the SRD, though, it was separately licensed by WotC to Necromancer Games, who made it OGC.

I'm not sure if flumphs were in 4e, either (they are not in the MM1, MM2, or MM3, but I don't have nearly all the 4e supplements). Flumphs are in the 5e Monster Manual, though. They've definitely gotten more chances, even if you don't count their appearances in OOTS.

Looks like Tojanida ultimately did make it into Paizo's Bestiary 3...how does the B3 artwork compare to the 3.5 version?
Unrelated: anyone know why Paizo never bothered to put any of their monster artwork online the way WotC did?

The Delver still isn't in any of the main Paizo Bestiaries (at least, it doesn't come up on a search of the PRD and isn't in the B5 according to a post on the B5 thread. What other monsters (if any) from the official SRD have not made it into a Paizo bestiary?

[Milo v3]

I'm still waiting for the Ravid to be in a bestiary.

[PFW1-K1]

137ben wrote:

Unrelated: anyone know why Paizo never bothered to put any of their monster artwork online the way WotC did?

They released some of it through blog posts:

• Artwork from Bestiary 1
  
• Artwork from Bestiary 2
  
• Artwork from Bestiary 3
  
• Artwork from Bestiary 4
  
• Artwork from Bestiary 5

List of monsters in the above categories with art available under the Community Use Policy:

• Aasimar
  
• Akaname
  
• Alchemical golem
  
• Allosaurus
  
• Almiraj
  
• Annunaki
  
• Augur
  
• Balisse angel
  
• Balor
  
• Basidirond
  
• Black scorpion
  
• Brine dragon
  
• Bunyip
  
• Cecaelia
  
• Cetaceal
  
• Cetus
  
• Clockwork mage
  
• Cythnigot
  
• Danava titan
  
• Dark stalker
  
• Deep merfolk
  
• Deep one hybrid
  
• Demilich
  
• Derghodaemon
  
• Draconal
  
• Dream dragon
  
• Dust digger
  
• Dwiergeth
  
• Elysian titan
  
• Encantado
  
• Fastachee
  
• Fetchling
  
• Fire yai
  
• Forest dragon
  
• Fuath
  
• Giant amoeba
  
• Giant leech
  
• Gray alien
  
• Grendel
  
• Half-celestial unicorn
  
• Hawk
  
• Hekatonkheires
  
• Hezrou
  
• Hippogriff
  
• Hungry fog
  
• Ice yai
  
• Immortal ichor
  
• Invidiak
  
• Jabberwock
  
• Jungle drake
  
• Kamadan
  
• Kurobozu
  
• Kyton
  
• Lantern archon
  
• Lead golem
  
• Lillend
  
• Lotus leshy
  
• Marilith
  
• Medusa
  
• Mercane
  
• Mite
  
• Muse
  
• Nalfeshnee
  
• Nightwave
  
• Ogre mage
  
• Ogre spider
  
• Pakalchi sahkil
  
• Papinijuwari
  
• Peuchen
  
• Pipefox
  
• Pit fiend
  
• Quasit
  
• Ratfolk
  
• Roiling oil
  
• Scarecrow
  
• Sea drake
  
• Shae
  
• Shantak
  
• Shikigami
  
• Shining child
  
• Soul eater
  
• Spectral dead
  
• Spriggan
  
• Stone colossus
  
• Su
  
• Succubus
  
• Tarry demodand
  
• Thought eater
  
• Thriae constructor
  
• Tiger
  
• Tooth fairy
  
• Tor linnorm
  
• Twilight pitri manasaputra
  
• Tylosaurus
  
• Tzitzimitl
  
• Unfettered phantom
  
• Vanara
  
• Veela
  
• Vilderavn
  
• Water elemental
  
• Water yai
  
• Weedwhip
  
• Wendigo
  
• Whale
  
• Wickerman
  
• Wood colossus
  
• Wyrmwraith
  
• Xiao
  
• Zuishin
  

This is just from the Bestiaries and doesn't include creature art from AP issues, Campaign Setting and Companion books, etc.

[Garrett Guillotte]

Also, here's the Tojanida from Misfit Monsters Redeemed and a post directly comparing the PF tojanida to the D&D version.

[Dragon78]

I am also still waiting for the Ravid to get into a hardcover bestiary. It looked cool, it had cool abilities, and it was one of the very few creatures native to the positive energy plane.