Just Checking: Disease, Outsiders and Healing


Rules Questions


Can outsiders say devils contract disease? (I'm pretty sure they can, but just checking).

Are they healed by positive energy and damaged by negative energy?

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vagrant-poet wrote:

Can outsiders say devils contract disease? (I'm pretty sure they can, but just checking).

Are they healed by positive energy and damaged by negative energy?

I'm not aware of a rule saying they are immune to disease.

They are living, so they should be healed by Positive.

Liberty's Edge

this is a conflicting subject for me, i always assumed that outsiders were immune to all non magical diseases.

as to devils/demons/daemons being healed, yes, they are healed by positive energy. To clarify this, evil subtype outsiders aren't powered or made up of negative energy, just unholy energy, same as angels, only undead are powered by negative energy, and so are hurt by the positive energy.

on a side note, i have always found that (speaking from a player POV that helps my DM make the world easier to manage) it would be strange that Generic Cleric of [insert-game-specific-good-deity] would be able to heal the evil succubus without any repercussions from his good deity, and vice-versa.

Peebo :D


Peebo wrote:
on a side note, i have always found that (speaking from a player POV that helps my DM make the world easier to manage) it would be strange that Generic Cleric of [insert-game-specific-good-deity] would be able to heal the evil succubus without any repercussions from his good deity, and vice-versa.

I hear what you're saying, but I'd think that [insert-game-specific-good-deity] is the ultimate DPMC, and the DM should role-play appropriately. <Grin> But seriously, if a cleric pumps out a channel energy to heal his party who are on the brink of death and a Very Naughty Foe (tm) happens to be within 30ft and benefits... that's not punishment-worthy. On the other hand, if the cleric knowingly goes out of his way to heal up that same VNF, it's time to consider alignment changes, career changes, or both.

This is probably left to DM fiat specifically because it's so rich with story potential.

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Anguish wrote:
On the other hand, if the cleric knowingly goes out of his way to heal up that same VNF, it's time to consider alignment changes, career changes, or both.

Depends on motive. If the evil guy is on the brink of death and the cleric heals him or her, it's a gracious, good act. No matter whether the evil guy goes out and kills people tomorrow or not, doesn't matter. The opposite (watching the evil guy die) is more of an evil act than healing.

Note: Not saying that watching him die is an evil act, just more evil than healing him (on a sliding scale, as it were).


I prefer the KISS principle when it comes to these situations. If the good cleric dispenses a channel to the group and VNF, and the result is the part is capable of taking out the VNF, there's no qualm.

Watching the VNF die is also not a problem for the cleric, even if the VNF promises to be "really really good from now on," or is currently not a threat. This assumes, however, the cleric hasn't taken a vow to prevent all beings from dying. In which case, that cleric probably shouldn't be in D&D or pathfinder, let alone in any of my parties.

If however, the cleric saves the VNF from certain death without justifiable cause (e.g. to rescue the child held in its clutches), and the VNF escapes and lays waste to the countryside, that cleric has some 'splainin to do.

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