Two-weapon fighting as a standard attack?


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Perhaps I did all of 3.5 wrong but I thought if you attacked with you off-hand it required a full-round attack action. Their is no wording in the PRPG that I can find that says that. Does this mean that you can take the feat and move you speed and get two attacks?

The other question I had I think I answered. A monk with TWF can make 3 attacks at level 1, at -4/-4/-4 as a full round attack?

Sorry if this has been beaten to death already.


Zexsudel wrote:

Perhaps I did all of 3.5 wrong but I thought if you attacked with you off-hand it required a full-round attack action. Their is no wording in the PRPG that I can find that says that. Does this mean that you can take the feat and move you speed and get two attacks?

The other question I had I think I answered. A monk with TWF can make 3 attacks at level 1, at -4/-4/-4 as a full round attack?

Sorry if this has been beaten to death already.

To answer your questions,

Two weapon fighting requires a full round action. (Should not, and does not in my campaign, but that's some advice of mine Paizo decided not to listen to during the beta)

Monk's flurry *is* two weapon fighting, the two are incompatible because they are the same.


This is answered in the Full-Round Actions section of the Combat chapter:

PRD wrote:

A full-round action requires an entire round to complete. Thus, it can't be coupled with a standard or a move action, though if it does not involve moving any distance, you can take a 5-foot step.

Full Attack

If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough (see Base Attack Bonus in Classes), because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon, or for some special reason, you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks. You do not need to specify the targets of your attacks ahead of time. You can see how the earlier attacks turn out before assigning the later ones.

The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks.

If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest. If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first. If you are using a double weapon, you can strike with either part of the weapon first.

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Zexsudel wrote:

Does this mean that you can take the feat and move you speed and get two attacks?

A monk with TWF can make 3 attacks at level 1, at -4/-4/-4 as a full round attack?

No, except when the feat says so (I think one is called Blinding Assault in PHB2)

Yes


Zexsudel wrote:
Perhaps I did all of 3.5 wrong but I thought if you attacked with you off-hand it required a full-round attack action. Their is no wording in the PRPG that I can find that says that. Does this mean that you can take the feat and move you speed and get two attacks?

When making a standard action attack you only make one attack, regardless of how many weapons you are wielding.

Zexsudel wrote:
The other question I had I think I answered. A monk with TWF can make 3 attacks at level 1, at -4/-4/-4 as a full round attack?

Monks already have TWF feat when they make flurry of blows. It is part of the FoB calculation.

You can take the TWF feat, but you would only benefit from it when wielding a "non-monk" weapon.

Zexsudel wrote:
Sorry if this has been beaten to death already.

No need... no one can expect you to have read all the threads.

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James Risner wrote:
Zexsudel wrote:

Does this mean that you can take the feat and move you speed and get two attacks?

A monk with TWF can make 3 attacks at level 1, at -4/-4/-4 as a full round attack?

No, except when the feat says so (I think one is called Blinding Assault in PHB2)

Yes

In 3.5 flurry could be used with two weapon fighting, In Pathfinder however, flurry cannot be used with two weapon fighting.

The key wording here is in the Flurry description...

Quote:
Starting at 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action. When doing so he may make one additional attack using any combination of unarmed strikes or attacks with a special monk weapon (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham) as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).

To read it another way; a monks flurry of blows ability provides the monk with the two weapon fighting feat using his class level as his BAB and granting him full strength damage with his theoretical offhand while wielding monk weapons or using unarmed strike.

If you look at the monks flurry entry on the table you can break the attacks down...

at 6th level a monks flurry is +4/+4/-1
thats BAB +6/+1, -2 for two weapon fighting penalty. the first +4 is his primary attack, the second +4 is his theoretical offhand attack and the -1 is his interative primary attack.

at 8th level (when he gets improved two weapon fighting) his flurry is +6/+6/+1/+1
thats BAB +8/+3, -2 for two weapon fighting penalty plus an additional attack at -5 with theoretical offhand.

at 15th level (when he gets greater two weapon fighting) his flurry is +13/+13/+8/+8/+3/+3
thats +15/+10/+5, -2 for two weapon fighting penalty, plus an additional attack at -5 from improved two weapon fighting and an additional attack at -10 for greater two weapon fighting.


Further- if you really wanna Move and TWF-

then you can take Two Weapon Pounce from PHB2- lets you make 2 attacks after a move -synerguises with two weapon rend:)

Cheers.

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Quijenoth wrote:
In 3.5 flurry could be used with two weapon fighting, In Pathfinder however, flurry cannot be used with two weapon fighting.

You are 100% correct. I keep forgetting that they made Flurry a "TWF" clone.

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