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Okay, 1) Yes if they have spawned into undead raise dead won't help.
2) Death effects from things such as slay living, would prevent raise dead from working.
Does this also mean that if the player who's been spawned, now undead, is slain, now just dead, they still can't be brought back by raise dead.
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Does this also mean that if the player who's been spawned, now undead, is slain, now just dead, they still can't be brought back by raise dead.Okay, 1) Yes if they have spawned into undead raise dead won't help.
2) Death effects from things such as slay living, would prevent raise dead from working.
Correct, it isn't asking whether the character currently is a spawn, just if the character was EVER raised as a spawn post death. (That is to say, in order to get the body back to an inert state for raise dead, did you have to kill it?)
I'm going to say, that Raise Dead does NOT work on a character/npc turned into an undead, then destroyed.
The reason is that Ressurection specifically says it does raise someone killed by a Death Effect or turned into an undead creature and then destroyed, and the opening line of the spell is "This spell functions like Raise Dead, except..."
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I'm going to say, that Raise Dead does NOT work on a character/npc turned into an undead, then destroyed.
The reason is that Ressurection specifically says it does raise someone killed by a Death Effect or turned into an undead creature and then destroyed, and the opening line of the spell is "This spell functions like Raise Dead, except..."
Yeah, that's what I said.
He was asking if an undead killed the guy does it hamper, to which I answered no.
All Raise dead asks is if the body was raised as an undead minion.
Yeah, that's what I said.He was asking if an undead killed the guy does it hamper, to which I answered no.
All Raise dead asks is if the body was raised as an undead minion.
Oh, I agreed with you, just giving my rules background as to why.
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Am I reading the spell description correctly? Raise dead can not bring a character back to life who has been killed by undead or turned into undead? Clarification please.
Presumably, becoming undead makes it such that the soul can't re-enter the body.
So even destroyed undead can not be raised.
The "killed by a death effect" bit refers to spells which tell you they are death effects. Being killed by a skeleton doesn't have any ill effect.
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Being killed by a skeleton doesn't have any ill effect.
I'm confused? How did this come up? We are not talking about how they died anyway. It doesn't matter how the person died, if they were ever turned into an undead they can not be raised with Raise Dead while undead nor after being a destroyed undead.
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The whole raising the ex-undead thing is somehow not explained thoroughly enough, and lots of questions remain unanswered.
What if someone is killed, animated as undead, slain, ressurected, and killed again? Can he then come back to life with Raise Dead[i]?
What if someone was killed, his body wasn't retrieved, he was brought back to life with [i]True Resurrection (doesn't require the body), and the body was then later turned into an undead? What happens the next time he dies? Can he then be returned to life with [i]Raise Dead[i/]?
The whole raising the ex-undead thing is somehow not explained thoroughly enough, and lots of questions remain unanswered.
That's what GMs are for. :) And I don't mean that in the Oberoni sense. Some things are best left vague, because they're good fodder for campaign-flavored metaphysics.
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The whole raising the ex-undead thing is somehow not explained thoroughly enough, and lots of questions remain unanswered.
What if someone is killed, animated as undead, slain, ressurected, and killed again? Can he then come back to life with Raise Dead?
From my understanding the state of a body doesn't keep track after it returns to life things such as undead spawn. It does however keep track of spells cast such as speak with dead.
What if someone was killed, his body wasn't retrieved, he was brought back to life with True Resurrection (doesn't require the body), and the body was then later turned into an undead? What happens the next time he dies? Can he then be returned to life with Raise Dead?
When you True Resurrection a body, the original parts of the body disappear AFAIK.
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The OP asked if being killed by an undead prevented a Raise Dead spells success
Ok, totally missed the "killed by" in his question and answered the "raised as an undead."
Being killed by an Undead doesn't do anything special (unless it is like an undead with Create Spawn where you are undead if killed by the undead.)
Being an undead does.
What if someone is killed, animated as undead, slain, ressurected, and killed again? Can he then come back to life with [i]Raise Dead[i]?
Raise Dead works on a body. A destroyed undead then Resurrected body that is killed can be raised dead because the dead human was never an undead.