Looking at the Ape (P53 of the CRB) animal companion, it is listed as having a bite and 2 claw attacks. Are any of those considered secondary attacks (like the 3.5's Ape, which has +2 to its bite versus +7 for its claws) or has 'secondary attacks' been removed from the rules?
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Page 53 of the PFRPG explains a bit under the title "Animal Choices".
"All animal attacks are made using the creature's full base attack bonus unless otherwise noted."
The only one noted that I found was the horse.
I believe secondary attacks are still in the rules, and by the 3.5 definition there can be only one primary attack type per monster (though it can have more than one attack with that type, for example 2 claws as primary and 1 bite as secondary). We'll have to wait for the bestiary to be sure, but I'd imagine they didn't change that rule and any discrepancies in the rules are mistakes rather than intentional changes.
This from page 182 of the PFRPG;
"Natural Attacks: Attacks made with natural weapons,
such as claws and bites, are melee attacks that can be made
against any creature within your reach (usually 5 feet).
These attacks are made using your full attack bonus and
deal an amount of damage that depends on their type (plus
your Strength modifier, as normal). You do not receive
additional natural attacks for a high base attack bonus.
Instead, you receive additional attack rolls for multiple
limb and body parts capable of making the attack (as noted
by the race or ability that grants the attacks). If you possess
only one natural attack (such as a bite—two claw attacks do
not qualify), you add 1–1/2 times your Strength bonus on
damage rolls made with that attack.
Some natural attacks are denoted as secondary natural
attacks, such as tails and wings. Attacks with secondary
natural attacks are made using your base attack bonus
minus 5. These attacks deal an amount of damage
depending on their type, but you only add half your
Strength modifier on damage rolls."
The only beast on the druid animal companion list with a secondary attack denotation was the horse. So it seems that animals are going to hit hard in PF. Also looking at the sample bestiary it seems that bite, claw, claw routines are at full BAB. Oh, and look at the dire tiger CR 8, 5 attacks all at BAB of +18. WOW!
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Sorry for the threadjack, but is that "Murgen" as in, "Shimrod is your scion"?
Gotta greet the other Jack Vance characters, don't you know!
...Sorry for the threadjack, but is that "Murgen" as in, "Shimrod is your scion"?
Gotta greet the other Jack Vance characters, don't you know!
Great trilogy, dontcha think?
Great trilogy, dontcha think?
I came SO close to making my screen name "Szartzanek," but was afraid it would be too obscure.
Great trilogy, dontcha think?I came SO close to making my screen name "Szartzanek," but was afraid it would be too obscure.
Yes it is. It would probably burn in the back of my mind for a week before I connected that name with the trilogy. Wasn't he the one Murgen changed into an iron post to pin the magic roads down in the Tantravelles forest? It has a gnomish ring to it.
