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pres man wrote:
Rush has already figured out how to control the ship, but is just happy to let it go on its projected route. Still, he has already programed in a fail-safe, "If I don't put this code in tomorrow, the ship will change course for planet X and stop. I already have figured out the gate coordinates for planet X and will meet it there."

Rush probably doesn’t know how to control the ship but he might know what it course is and use the pre-planted stargates to get ahead of it and then get back on board

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Xabulba wrote:
pres man wrote:
Rush has already figured out how to control the ship, but is just happy to let it go on its projected route. Still, he has already programed in a fail-safe, "If I don't put this code in tomorrow, the ship will change course for planet X and stop. I already have figured out the gate coordinates for planet X and will meet it there."
Rush probably doesn’t know how to control the ship but he might know what it course is and use the pre-planted stargates to get ahead of it and then get back on board

I was under the impression that any stargate was too far away for the previous gates to dial up( power concerns ). Otherwise, why ride on the ship to begin with? Why not start gate jumping until you get to the end? Wormhole travel is better than FTL.


Draeke Raefel wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
pres man wrote:
Rush has already figured out how to control the ship, but is just happy to let it go on its projected route. Still, he has already programed in a fail-safe, "If I don't put this code in tomorrow, the ship will change course for planet X and stop. I already have figured out the gate coordinates for planet X and will meet it there."
Rush probably doesn’t know how to control the ship but he might know what it course is and use the pre-planted stargates to get ahead of it and then get back on board
I was under the impression that any stargate was too far away for the previous gates to dial up( power concerns ). Otherwise, why ride on the ship to begin with? Why not start gate jumping until you get to the end? Wormhole travel is better than FTL.

Too much energy for the ship to dial out but not for the gates to dial in.


Problems with jumping worlds.

1)Don't know the coordinates of various gates. If you watched SG-1, you might remember that even when they got alot of gate addresses, they had to adjust for celestial drift when dialing the addresses. Destiny obviously has a way of determining the current gate address of nearby gates but this might not be possible for gates further along the line (i.e. it only adjusts when it gets close).

2)The problem with dialing Earth is a power issue, it is in another galaxy and farther than anything dialed before. They basically had to use the energy of an entire radioactive unstable planet to dial it once. The chances of finding a similar planet randomly are extremely small, let alone having the technology to tap into it.

3)Technology on various worlds has been non-existant before the crashed ship. Any ultimate solution to the problem of gating back to Earth will require a lot of technology, which the Destiny does have, even if it is the moment unreachable/uncontrolable.

4)Gating to various worlds, with the right coordinates within the same Galaxy does not require an unreasonable amount of energy (remember the two folks that dialed another planet and were never heard from again).


Query:

In one of the earlier episodes it showed an outside-shot of Destiny. One of the shuttles/pods/whatever disembarked and flew away.

So far as I remember no mention of this has ever been made in the show of that event.

What do you all make of it? (or did I hallucinate the whole thing? ;p)

As for Rush- my bets are that he gets that 'crashed' ship into the air and takes off after Destiny. He likely knows where they are heading anyway.

As for the jungle planet.. the Ship took them to where the cure for their water-bug ailment was located... i think?

-S

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Xabulba wrote:
pres man wrote:
Rush has already figured out how to control the ship, but is just happy to let it go on its projected route. Still, he has already programed in a fail-safe, "If I don't put this code in tomorrow, the ship will change course for planet X and stop. I already have figured out the gate coordinates for planet X and will meet it there."
Rush probably doesn’t know how to control the ship but he might know what it course is and use the pre-planted stargates to get ahead of it and then get back on board

How is he going to dial? No DHDs come with these Mk II gates. (remember, he had the marine shoot the one guy so he didn't take the portable DHD with him)


Matthew Morris wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
pres man wrote:
Rush has already figured out how to control the ship, but is just happy to let it go on its projected route. Still, he has already programed in a fail-safe, "If I don't put this code in tomorrow, the ship will change course for planet X and stop. I already have figured out the gate coordinates for planet X and will meet it there."
Rush probably doesn’t know how to control the ship but he might know what it course is and use the pre-planted stargates to get ahead of it and then get back on board
How is he going to dial? No DHDs come with these Mk II gates. (remember, he had the marine shoot the one guy so he didn't take the portable DHD with him)

In both SG1 and Atlantis they have shows where the ring was dialed by hand. Not such a streach that Rush could do the same.

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Xabulba wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
[How is he going to dial? No DHDs come with these Mk II gates. (remember, he had the marine shoot the one guy so he didn't take the portable DHD with him)
In both SG1 and Atlantis they have shows where the ring was dialed by hand. Not such a streach that Rush could do the same.

I remember in the first season of SG-1 they did, but they needed an external power source for it and in the prison planet episode.

When did they manually dial in Atlantis? Did they need a power source. I'm having a brain fart.


Matthew Morris wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
[How is he going to dial? No DHDs come with these Mk II gates. (remember, he had the marine shoot the one guy so he didn't take the portable DHD with him)
In both SG1 and Atlantis they have shows where the ring was dialed by hand. Not such a streach that Rush could do the same.

I remember in the first season of SG-1 they did, but they needed an external power source for it and in the prison planet episode.

When did they manually dial in Atlantis? Did they need a power source. I'm having a brain fart.

Can't remember the exact Atlantis episode but McKay had Ronin and a generic SGA grunt turn a stargate when the were traped on some planet.

I think they did need a power source but Rush has an abandoned alien ship.

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There's always the possibility that the alien ship has some sort of previously unseen means of propulsion or travel that could allow it to fly faster than the Destiny or a Stargate.

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There is also always the possibility that the alien vessel houses a colony of insectoid aliens that pop out and eat Rush. :)

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David Fryer wrote:
There is also always the possibility that the alien vessel houses a colony of insectoid aliens that pop out and eat Rush. :)

Ooo, or who infest him and take him over and turn him into a lovely human being.

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Like the Dilbert where he knows that his boss has been replaced by an alien because he suddenly becomes a caring and competent person?


David Fryer wrote:
There is also always the possibility that the alien vessel houses a colony of insectoid aliens that pop out and eat Rush. :)

We should be so lucky...

I know, the alien ship has just returned from an attempt to fold space, only to be shunted to a Cthulhoid dimension and taken over by a malevolent intelligence which will slowly drive Rush mad...

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Readerbreeder wrote:

We should be so lucky...

I know, the alien ship has just returned from an attempt to fold space, only to be shunted to a Cthulhoid dimension and taken over by a malevolent intelligence which will slowly drive Rush mad...

Slowly? I think Rush is well on the way to the road to Crazy.


James Martin wrote:
Readerbreeder wrote:

We should be so lucky...

I know, the alien ship has just returned from an attempt to fold space, only to be shunted to a Cthulhoid dimension and taken over by a malevolent intelligence which will slowly drive Rush mad...

Slowly? I think Rush is well on the way to the road to Crazy.

What if Rush drives the other intelligence crazy instead?

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pres man wrote:


What if Rush drives the other intelligence crazy instead?

That would be AWESOME. What's better than an alien? An irrational, paranoid schizophrenic alien. Hoo yeah!

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Ok, I enjoyed the new Episode of Universe

Spoiler:

  • I liked how Rush was brought back and now how there's a degree of uncertainty in the stones.
  • Though shouldn't they have translated for Young and the XT? I mean they did for Daniel and Vala.
  • I'm sure they didn't, but it would be nice to see the alien shuttle again.
  • Ming Na's character is going to reach a messy end I think. She threw her power behind Rush too fast.
  • Chloe lived, again. Damnit!
  • Scarab Sages

    I enjoyed the episode, but not as much as you seemed to...

    Spoiler:

    - I was disappointed they bought Rush back so quickly. He should have stayed out for at least 2 episodes before returning. This felt like a cheat.
    - The doubts about Young swirling through the crew felt forced. It's hard to say what would have worked better, but I wasn't very happy with what they did.
    - Another crew member dead, but I was very pleased that there seemed to be a reaction this time. There are a limited number of crew, and they're doing a good job of not bringing in replacements. I'd like to see something closer to a count - but I like this aspect.
    - It does look like they're building to another Rush/Young power struggle, but Young is definitely getting darker. In this episode, I'd say he was clearly in the wrong. Keep it up.

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    agarrett wrote:

    I enjoyed the episode, but not as much as you seemed to...

    ** spoiler omitted **

    Spoiler:
    Yeah, that he was willing to sacrifice Chloe to make sure Rush wasn't found was good. I'd liked Rush to be gone longer, but at the same time, I wasn't expecting it. At least they didn't Seska him. A bit of him playing up the hero status before turning on Young would have been better I think.

    That said, Eli's going to have a breaking point soon I think. He knows all the secrets at this point, and should be getting a good case of the paranoids.

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    Spoiler:
    Rush definitely has the long game in mind. He could have easily swayed a good portion of the crew to his side just by telling the truth about what Col. Young did. That would then force Young to reveal what he knows about Rush faking the evidence against him during Young's trial and that would destroy the expedition. Instead he agrees to go along with Col. Young's story because it gets him what he ultimately wants which is more play time with Destiny.

    The Exchange Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6

    Personally, I thought the last episode was terrible. The overuse of Perils of Pauline just goes to show what a shallow, contrived character Chloe is, and the show's preview for next week shows yet another failure to establish dramatic tension. I'd love for significant plot points to hang around more than a week at a time. Very disappointed, had been liking the show a lot more prior to that episode.

    Spoiler:

    Are we really supposed to buy that Chloe is so dumb and useless that her reaction to the ship being under attack is to wander around and get caught? Her first job as a liability is to *stay out of the way*. Poor, poor writing. Her character is a sexist holdover that the script writers shouldn't need.

    Rush's reappearance lacked any dramatic power and took out some serious opportunities to establish him as a presence to be feared (for example, if he knew Destiny's route and intercepted them at a later date via the network). As it is, it is had made it abundantly clear that we don't have to worry about any major characters, they'll always be fine.

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    Russ, I think you're right. What I suspect the writers are doing is

    Spoiler:
    Setting up Chloe as the eventual leader. She's the daughter of a Senator, intelligent, manipulative and naive. Which means she will eventually become Machiavellian, just because it's the only thing they can really do with her.

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    Did anyone else notice that

    Spoiler:
    just before the aliens bore through the hull of Destiny there seems to be an armed soldier with Chloe, but he seems to disappear when the aliens board the ship and grab her?


    David Fryer wrote:
    Did anyone else notice that ** spoiler omitted **

    I think that is how they knew what happened.

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    Maybe but then

    Spoiler:
    why didn't he stop them from taking Chloe, why didn't the xenoforms take him as well or kill him?


    well

    Spoiler:

    He was not with her, but going the same way in another hall, IT seems he saw it from a bit aways.

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    Honestly, I think Chloe was meant to be a bridge between Eli and the rest of the crew, someone who understood where Eli was because they were roughly the same age but who also knew enough about the SGC to fill in the blanks for Eli. However that seems to have gotten thrown out right around the second or third episode.


    David Fryer wrote:
    Maybe but then ** spoiler omitted **

    Well

    Spoiler:
    Chloe, like the moron she is stepped directly under the opening. My guess is that the alien(s) reached down and grabbed her (used a device to snatch her and pull her in) and then took off. The soldier probably didn't have time to run down to the hole before they lifted off. Then when the ship left, the vacuum kicked in until the shields cover the hole.

    Speaking of which, couldn't Rush have landed where the was the other hole already cut in? Jeez, they are treating the ship like swiss cheese. I mean when you lack the capacity to repair the damage, try to be a little more careful where you are parking.


    I thought the same thing pres man, I was like..WTF..why? why make another freaking whole??

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    Spoiler:
    Does any one else think the alien fighter/shuttles look like the mysterious craft that launched from Destiny early on in the show?


    yes, I do

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    seekerofshadowlight wrote:
    yes, I do

    Glad I'm not the only one.


    and

    Spoiler:

    How much ya wanna bet these guys have been using the gates, and found out that this ship is behind the gates, kinda like a holy grail of a sorts. And they may see the humans as interlopers on what they think of as a holy place or maybe something they have been hunting for for a long time


    Personally, I really dislike Chloe.

    New Episode:
    The second she opened her door I yelled at her to get her useless butt back in her room. Once the breaching cutters activated I just rolled my eyes because I knew the silly b!tch was going to get captured. As for the episode on the whole, I thought it was decent. It definitely wasn't the worst one they've had this season, and it could be an indicator for a better second half. I like Rush, and was glad that he didn't leave the useless broad on the ship.

    Liberty's Edge

    Rush probably didn't know how Chloe was taken of the ship exactly. If he did, he probably didn't know where said hole was. If he did know how and where she was taken from, he probably just figured he's be able to eventually be able to fix the hole if he didn't already know. And the alien 'fighter's are definitely the same type of ship that left Destiny at the end of the pilot episode. Lol I studied that shot alot to make sure that it wasn't the shuttle with Chloe's dad being cut loose.

    The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

    So, what is going on with the transfer stones? In particular, once the alien was killed, why didn't Young's mind pop back to Earth?

    Aside from that, I'll admit to liking the episode. I wonder if the strawberries weren't a reference to the pilot episode of "Firefly".


    I don't know how to Spoiler. Sorry :\ I'm daft in that way.

    Chloe & Rush & Young.

    I don't think Young ordered them to fire to kill Rush. If he wanted to do that, he never had to free rush from the tank. He could have left him there, gone to find chloe to see if she was alive then left.
    I think opening fire was more a problem of "we're running out of power, we need to do something". Shooting back made the ships leave.

    not that it would break his heart any to kill the man.

    Just my .02 though.

    -S


    Selgard wrote:
    I don't know how to Spoiler. Sorry :\ I'm daft in that way.

    In that "BBCode tags you can use:" list below where you type, it's the second one from the bottom.

    Liberty's Edge

    OK, I've tried to refrain from posting on this thread, mainly because I'm a major Gate-head, and would probably annoy people to death, but I have to say this:

    I like SGU, I really do. It's taking the series in a different direction, and can be appreciated for that. Plus, I was a big fan of Robert Carlyle before the show started, and that helps.

    But for the LOVE OF GOD, what's with the random indie rock songs that play in the quieter scenes? They could have gone the SG-1 route, with minimal dramatic music, or the Firefly route, with equally dramatic silence. But NO, they had to pander to the studio execs that wanted something 'hip.'

    Though, I must say, so far, their taste has been quite good. The intro song from "Divided," Brand New's "You Won't Know" is off of one of my all-time favorite albums.


    The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:

    OK, I've tried to refrain from posting on this thread, mainly because I'm a major Gate-head, and would probably annoy people to death, but I have to say this:

    I like SGU, I really do. It's taking the series in a different direction, and can be appreciated for that. Plus, I was a big fan of Robert Carlyle before the show started, and that helps.

    But for the LOVE OF GOD, what's with the random indie rock songs that play in the quieter scenes? They could have gone the SG-1 route, with minimal dramatic music, or the Firefly route, with equally dramatic silence. But NO, they had to pander to the studio execs that wanted something 'hip.'

    Though, I must say, so far, their taste has been quite good. The intro song from "Divided," Brand New's "You Won't Know" is off of one of my all-time favorite albums.

    I think the music has more to do with the producers needing to create filler material for stories that can't fill the runtime of the show.

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    Xabulba wrote:
    I think the music has more to do with the producers needing to create filler material for stories that can't fill the runtime of the show.

    If that's the case, then they should do things like the poker games from STNG.

    The current method of

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    Things go to hell, then they decide not to deal with the reprecussions needs to go. I am glad the stones are being less reliable, though. Depending on how fast Destiny is cruising I hope the aliens get left behind. Voyager's two seasons of Kazon, for example were pointless. I am glad that they have the XT shuttle parked somewhere. (I assume over a hole)


    Destiny is moving slower then current SGC ships if I recall. The FTL is an older version and is not the type used on later Ancient ships or comparable Asgard ships


    seekerofshadowlight wrote:
    Destiny is moving slower then current SGC ships if I recall. The FTL is an older version and is not the type used on later Ancient ships or comparable Asgard ships

    They haven't made a speed comparison yet but in the first episode Rush points out Destiny travels FTL in normal space not jump space like all the other races ships do.

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    Well another interesting episode.

    Spoiler:
    I hope we haven't seen the last of the obelisk planet and the people who were left behind. I also hope the robot they found in Destiny's cargo hold doesn't turn out to become a Terminator-style rogue robot.

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    David Fryer wrote:
    Well another interesting episode. ** spoiler omitted **

    Agreed on both counts

    Spoiler:
    Or a proto-replicator. Please no more replicators! I'd love it if the wonder chair was some kind of VR rig for the robot though, rather than the prototype brain download they think it is. Wonder if there are any more shuttles on Destiny they've not found yet?


    Damn... yet another chance to unload that annoying twit Chloe squandered.

    Not a very good show overall (I echo my wife: "We lost Atlantis for this??")... and it takes itself way WAY too seriously. Unlikeable characters, with me rooting for their miserable deaths each episode. Lame pop music montages blow. Hard.

    Relative thumbs-down so far (with the hope of it getting better - the unique planet/obelisk and exploring lost sections of the ship is interesting).

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    Tessius wrote:
    Whatever it was that detached from the ship wasn't the shuttle. It was too far to the stern and also the shuttle was on a raised part of the ship. It's also the wrong shape. I watched whatever it was a few times and it didnt seem to be part of the ship. There was no docking port or any other hardware for it to connect to the Destiny, it lifted off from a smooth piece of hull. You can actually pick out 2 shuttles at least during the opening flyby at the start of the premier. One on the ships centerline and another back a bit and to port (probably the one the senator's in).

    The Senator's shuttle is on the right side of the ship...

    Like the Pilot episode of SG Atlantis in which there are a couple of Gaoald living in a tower of the city before anyone shows up, I suspect that someone is making the significant discoveries before the SGC make them. One step a head.

    The Exchange

    THey stuffed the series. IT should be continuous story...like BSG style. So the SGU story all takes place in a single six month window.

    Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

    Ok, the last episode impressed me a bit more.

    Spoiler:

  • We finally get to know why Greer is so bug nut crazy. It also makes me speculate on how he's stayed in the service for so long. Has Young been watching out for him? Is Young a surrogate father figure to him?
  • The pregnancy. I was expecting this at some point, though not with Young/Johnson. She's an officer, and technically didn't report to Young (Telford was in charge of the project) but still, Young has to have ran over the rules on fraternization with a MALP.
  • The lack of a Happy Ending (tm) I'm hoping we see more on this, though I'd guess that Destiny's stopping just outside the galaxy this time around means that the lost trio can gate in during the fight.
  • Gate Tech. These gates are apparently older than the gates in the Milky Way (which are older than the Pegasus gates) The interesting thing is this episode does seem to show that there's no DHD with each gate. Guess the Ancients figured they'd never need one once they got around to exploring. I do wonder where the gates' power source is though (The other two gate networks have their power source through their DHDs, IIRC)
  • Who else saw the monster and thought Eli should have said, "They have a Cave Troll."
  • Rush leading one of the expeditions, and the discomfort between him and the soldier in charge. Nice to see some tensions there. I'd like to have seen a 'If it wasn't that we need his help to find Eli, I'd ditch him somewhere' moment.
  • Well, now they know why there are multiple Kinos on Destiny. I think the Ancients could have put in a one shot DHD in one, so it can open the gate from the other side and return, but *shrugs*. (I also think that Chloe should have gone into the potentially hazardous world first, she's about as useful as a Kino)
  • P.S. Interview with David Blue here I might have to add him to the actors I follow on Twitter. (Whil Wheaton and Aaron Douglas being the other two)

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