Sneak attacks, Undead Elementals and constructs

[ElyasRavenwood]

Are Undead Elementals and Constructs vulnerable to Critical hits? Are the vulnerable to the Rogues Sneak attack damage?

[Gorbacz]

Undead yes
Incorporeal Undead no
Elementals no
Constructs yes

[KaeYoss]

ElyasRavenwood wrote:

Undead Elementals

Unholy necromentals, Batman! So that happens if you try to conjure an elemental out of a dead lake!

For immunity, the rule of thumb is this: If it doesn't have any anatomy at all, you can't crit or sneak attack it. If there's a mostly formless aggregation of flames that somehow has achieved sentience, you don't know where to stab to hurt it.

[Qstor]

where in the Core rule book is this explained? It wasn't clear in the Rogue section under sneak attack.

What about plants?

Animated objects are constructs. It doesn't seem to me they should be critable.

thanks

Mike

[Gully13]

Qstor wrote:

where in the Core rule book is this explained? It wasn't clear in the Rogue section under sneak attack.

What about plants?

Animated objects are constructs. It doesn't seem to me they should be critable.

thanks

Mike

I believe the idea is that any non homogeneous structure has stress/ weak points (its easier to tear the arm off a construct then rip it in two at the waist). Crits and Sneaks take advantage of this.

Something made entirely of one substance (or is not material) doesn't have the same weakness (arguably).

[Jason Bulmahn]

The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary will cover this topic in some detail, but many in this thread seem to have the crux of it worked out.

Incorporeal undead, oozes, elementals are now the only things that are automatically immune to sneak attack and critical hits. Other creatures might be, but this is an exception to the rules and spelled out specifically in their stats.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

[lastknightleft]

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary will cover this topic in some detail, but many in this thread seem to have the crux of it worked out.

Incorporeal undead, oozes, elementals are now the only things that are automatically immune to sneak attack and critical hits. Other creatures might be, but this is an exception to the rules and spelled out specifically in their stats.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Just as long as certain plants like shambling mound get it, I can't imagine where you'd sneak attack that thing.

[TriOmegaZero]

lastknightleft wrote:

Just as long as certain plants like shambling mound get it, I can't imagine where you'd sneak attack that thing.

Right in its shrubbery, of course.

[Estragon]

Quote:

Just as long as certain plants like shambling mound get it, I can't imagine where you'd sneak attack that thing.

Kick 'em In the fruits?

[Turin the Mad]

lastknightleft wrote:

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary will cover this topic in some detail, but many in this thread seem to have the crux of it worked out.

Incorporeal undead, oozes, elementals are now the only things that are automatically immune to sneak attack and critical hits. Other creatures might be, but this is an exception to the rules and spelled out specifically in their stats.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Just as long as certain plants like shambling mound get it, I can't imagine where you'd sneak attack that thing.

My thieves' guild recommends Weed-B-Gone in a pump sprayer aiming at the twitching bundly bits of the shambling mound, since the word is one cannot sneak attack with flasks of acid, holy water or naptha (or any other splash weapon) any more.

[ElyasRavenwood]

Thank you everyone for your help and thoughts. This is very helpful. And thank you Mr. Bulmahn for taking the time to answer my question. By shortening the list of creatures immune to critical hits, it makes the rouge much more fun to play.