Arcane Bond, can we upgrade the item?


Pathfinder Society

1/5

As the topic says, I'm curious if this is possible in Pathfinder Society? I know the feats themselves are not allowed, but this ability does not actually grant the feat, just allows adding abilities as if we had it.

Liberty's Edge 1/5

Hesmah wrote:
As the topic says, I'm curious if this is possible in Pathfinder Society? I know the feats themselves are not allowed, but this ability does not actually grant the feat, just allows adding abilities as if we had it.

I was curious about this as well, I have read through the PFS guide and could not find anything about this. Can we get an official word, or someone that can point in the right direction for an answer?

Graywulfe

The Exchange 5/5

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This was brought up in the first FAQ, page 5ish I believe. Yes, it is a very difficult place to find, however the gist is that yes you can upgrade your arcane bonded item for half cost as per normal. However you do need to have the requisite spells and levels to qualify for the feats (as per normal).

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Alizor wrote:
This was brought up in the first FAQ, page 5ish I believe. Yes, it is a very difficult place to find, however the gist is that yes you can upgrade your arcane bonded item for half cost as per normal. However you do need to have the requisite spells and levels to qualify for the feats (as per normal).

What about multiple upgrades? Suppose I enchant my arcane bond ring as a +1 Ring of Protection for 1000 gp and then at a later time I want to make it a Ring of Invisibility too. Would that cost me 15,000 (10,000 * 1.5)?


You can't make the item both magic items. It's either a ring of protection or its a ring of invisibility. So if you're asking if you want to later make it a ring of invis *instead* of a ring of protection, my answer is yes so long as you spend the required gold and possess the correct spells etc.

Liberty's Edge

Joshua J. Frost wrote:
You can't make the item both magic items. It's either a ring of protection or its a ring of invisibility. So if you're asking if you want to later make it a ring of invis *instead* of a ring of protection, my answer is yes so long as you spend the required gold and possess the correct spells etc.

I'm curious ... is this a PFS specific ruling only or a general Pathfinder RPG ruling as well?


This is a PFS ruling.

In normal PRPG, you *can* do something like this, but it gets incredibly expensive and digs heavily into the item creation rules. See "Adding New Abilities" on page 553 of the Core Rulebook.

PFS doesn't have item creation--thus you can't do this in PFS.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Joshua J. Frost wrote:

This is a PFS ruling.

In normal PRPG, you *can* do something like this, but it gets incredibly expensive and digs heavily into the item creation rules. See "Adding New Abilities" on page 553 of the Core Rulebook.

PFS doesn't have item creation--thus you can't do this in PFS.

Can we designate an item we obtain (i.e. from an Adventure Record or Prestige purchases) like an Amulet of Natural Armor as an arcane bonded object?


Page 78 of the Core Rulebook:

Quote:
A wizard can designate an existing magic item as his bonded item. This functions in the same way as replacing a lost or destroyed item except that the new magic item retains its abilities while gaining the benefits and drawbacks of becoming a bonded item.

Dark Archive

Joshua J. Frost wrote:
You can't make the item both magic items. It's either a ring of protection or its a ring of invisibility. So if you're asking if you want to later make it a ring of invis *instead* of a ring of protection, my answer is yes so long as you spend the required gold and possess the correct spells etc.

Ok. So if I want to make my arcane bond ring a ring of invisibility, then would I have to have 27 PA (enough for 10K purchase - Ring of Inv. creation cost) or 36 PA (enough for 20K purchase - Ring of Inv. purchase cost)?

Thanks.


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For arcane bond (and arcane bond only) you need only the creation cost since it functions as an item creation mechanic. You need to know the spell, too.

The Exchange 5/5

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

If we choose a weapon can we make it magical and later add weapon qualities like Flaming ? ( if we know the spells? )

Do we need to make a crafting check/ spellcraft check?


Seraphimpunk wrote:

If we choose a weapon can we make it magical and later add weapon qualities like Flaming ? ( if we know the spells? )

Do we need to make a crafting check/ spellcraft check?

Yes, you can make a weapon your bonded item, and yes you can upgrade it using the standard weapon/armor upgrade rules.

As for the check, I do not think you have to make it, since you would not having the crafting skills/feats that would normally be required. This is one of the things that is hand-waved in PFS play.

Scarab Sages 1/5

I am digging up old threads...

It is not clear to me where the rules for pfs upgrading a bonded item. Say for an amulet.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/55/5 **

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Masika wrote:

I am digging up old threads...

It is not clear to me where the rules for pfs upgrading a bonded item. Say for an amulet.

Huh... It is not covered at all that I see...

Should go in the FAQ.

Grand Lodge 1/5

I agree... Appears to be no rules other than Joshua Frost ruling.


Yeah, I was sure that this appeared in one of the Guides, but it is not in 4.0 or 3.0. I guess this is another one of Josh's rulings that got lost in the transition when he left.

Liberty's Edge 4/5

Lost or changed. just got a 7th level wizard and was also surprised, that this was no longer covered in the guide. I know it was in older guide, so by not coping it over does this mean it is no longer the rule? please faq it all.

4/5

... so you can upgrade an arcane bonded sword from +1 to +1 and Flaming and then +1 Flaming and Acid, BUT you cannot upgrade an Amulet from Natural Armor +1 to Natural Armor +1 and Amulet of Spell Cunning...
hmmm....
Can you create an Amulet with Mage Armor Spell on it?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
MoFiddy wrote:
Alizor wrote:
This was brought up in the first FAQ, page 5ish I believe. Yes, it is a very difficult place to find, however the gist is that yes you can upgrade your arcane bonded item for half cost as per normal. However you do need to have the requisite spells and levels to qualify for the feats (as per normal).
What about multiple upgrades? Suppose I enchant my arcane bond ring as a +1 Ring of Protection for 1000 gp and then at a later time I want to make it a Ring of Invisibility too. Would that cost me 15,000 (10,000 * 1.5)?

You can only make or upgrade the arcane bond to a standard In The Book item. No custom creations allowed.

4/5

LazarX wrote:
MoFiddy wrote:
Alizor wrote:
This was brought up in the first FAQ, page 5ish I believe. Yes, it is a very difficult place to find, however the gist is that yes you can upgrade your arcane bonded item for half cost as per normal. However you do need to have the requisite spells and levels to qualify for the feats (as per normal).
What about multiple upgrades? Suppose I enchant my arcane bond ring as a +1 Ring of Protection for 1000 gp and then at a later time I want to make it a Ring of Invisibility too. Would that cost me 15,000 (10,000 * 1.5)?
You can only make or upgrade the arcane bond to a standard In The Book item. No custom creations allowed.

I understand that, but then most swords would not be allowed as they are not explicitly named items in the book (see Specific Weapons table).

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Azothath wrote:
LazarX wrote:
MoFiddy wrote:
Alizor wrote:
This was brought up in the first FAQ, page 5ish I believe. Yes, it is a very difficult place to find, however the gist is that yes you can upgrade your arcane bonded item for half cost as per normal. However you do need to have the requisite spells and levels to qualify for the feats (as per normal).
What about multiple upgrades? Suppose I enchant my arcane bond ring as a +1 Ring of Protection for 1000 gp and then at a later time I want to make it a Ring of Invisibility too. Would that cost me 15,000 (10,000 * 1.5)?
You can only make or upgrade the arcane bond to a standard In The Book item. No custom creations allowed.

I understand that, but then most swords would not be allowed as they are not explicitly named items in the book (see Specific Weapons table).

You're right. Most won't. Save as specifically allowed in the Campaign guidelines. But that has nothing to do with your question. Custom items are not allowed in PFS. You can make your ring one item or the other,not both. AND it has to fit within your purchase limit as allowed by your total prestige score.

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