Not sorry again for noob question. :)
So, I am reading about the use of skills, trained and untrained.
First, untrained means you have a rank of zero (0) ? Correct?
I fully understand why some skills required training. Though I am confuzzuled why the Beta book shows spellcasting as a skill that can be used untrained. A little less confuzzled as to why the crafting skills can be used untrained.
It appears that you can use skills in which you are untrained without penalty. You simply have a rank of zero (0), correct? That seems pretty generous? Why no penalty?
Also, if I can use a skill untrained, do my ability modifiers affect the use of that skill. Seems like they should not help, but could hinder if I have low ability scores. I am sure that these questions have been asked before, I am jest wondering.
What is a cross-class skill? I done search my Beta pdf and there are no hits on cross class skills, but it shows up on the spreadsheet I am using.
Not sorry again for noob question. :)
So, I am reading about the use of skills, trained and untrained.
First, untrained means you have a rank of zero (0) ? Correct?
Correct.
I fully understand why some skills required training. Though I am confuzzuled why the Beta book shows spellcasting as a skill that can be used untrained. A little less confuzzled as to why the crafting skills can be used untrained.
You raise an interesting point there. The 3.5 rules say Spellcraft cannot be used untrained. I'm as confused as you are about the change. And as for using craft skills untrained.. well that beats me too.
It appears that you can use skills in which you are untrained without penalty. You simply have a rank of zero (0), correct? That seems pretty generous? Why no penalty?
Also, if I can use a skill untrained, do my ability modifiers affect the use of that skill. Seems like they should not help, but could hinder if I have low ability scores. I am sure that these questions have been asked before, I am jest wondering.
Yes, ability modifiers do come into play for untrained skill use.
What is a cross-class skill? I done search my Beta pdf and there are no hits on cross class skills, but it shows up on the spreadsheet I am using.
A cross-class skill is a skill that does not appear in a class skill list. For example, looking at table 5-4 in the Beta, Disable Device is a cross-class skill for every class except the Rogue
A cross-class skill is a skill that does not appear in a class skill list. For example, looking at table 5-4 in the Beta, Disable Device is a cross-class skill for every class except the Rogue
Ah! A cross-class skill is any skill that is not a class skill, correct?
So, any class can conceivably train in any skill (subject to DM approval, natch)?
Ok. Another question for you all. What about the favored class bonus of +3 ? Would that also apply? For instances, say my bard had and Int of 14, giving a +@ to Int based skills. Would that be 0 + 2 or 0 + 2 + 3?
Edit - Hmmnnnnnn..... Tiem to adjust my skill and add a few untrained ones!
Ok. Another question for you all. What about the favored class bonus of +3 ? Would that also apply? For instances, say my bard had and Int of 14, giving a +@ to Int based skills. Would that be 0 + 2 or 0 + 2 + 3?
You need to have at least 1 rank in the skill to get the +3 bonus.
~grimaces and then grins~ ah well. It was worth a try! ~talks to the GM in a wheedling tone~ But Boss, why not?
Though I am confuzzuled why the Beta book shows spellcasting as a skill that can be used untrained.
That's spellcraft, not spellcasting. Spellcraft lets you identify spells, not cast them.
It appears that you can use skills in which you are untrained without penalty. You simply have a rank of zero (0), correct? That seems pretty generous? Why no penalty?
Why a penalty? Basically, such checks are simple ability checks. Climb check without ranks? It's a simple strength check.
The fact that you don't get ranks are often penalty enough, and many skills (and specific uses of skills) are not possible at all without training.
Also, if I can use a skill untrained, do my ability modifiers affect the use of that skill. Seems like they should not help, but could hinder if I have low ability scores.
Yes, they do affect. I think they should. To use my previous example, a strong guy is better at getting over that wall than a weak one, even if he never trained climbing.
Though I am confuzzuled why the Beta book shows spellcasting as a skill that can be used untrained.That's spellcraft, not spellcasting. Spellcraft lets you identify spells, not cast them.
It appears that you can use skills in which you are untrained without penalty. You simply have a rank of zero (0), correct? That seems pretty generous? Why no penalty?Why a penalty? Basically, such checks are simple ability checks. Climb check without ranks? It's a simple strength check.
The fact that you don't get ranks are often penalty enough, and many skills (and specific uses of skills) are not possible at all without training.
Yes, they do affect. I think they should. To use my previous example, a strong guy is better at getting over that wall than a weak one, even if he never trained climbing.
Also, if I can use a skill untrained, do my ability modifiers affect the use of that skill. Seems like they should not help, but could hinder if I have low ability scores.
Awesome, Kae, thanks for the responses, that all makes sense.
I fully understand why some skills required training. Though I am confuzzuled why the Beta book shows spellcasting as a skill that can be used untrained. A little less confuzzled as to why the crafting skills can be used untrained.You raise an interesting point there. The 3.5 rules say Spellcraft cannot be used untrained. I'm as confused as you are about the change. And as for using craft skills untrained.. well that beats me too.
Well, you see spellcraft is something you learn at like wizards school or something. spellcraft in a way is like a field use of knowledge arcana. Also, the crat skill is not a trained skill because it can be attempted by anyone. If I gave you some wooden boards, nails, and tools and said "make me a table" without training you'd at least be able to give it a shot and come up with something table like even if not a very good table.