At the risk of being dense, I don't understand this discussion at all. I can go to the Paizo store and BUY the PDFs one by one, but somehow making it a SUBSCRIPTION is a problem? The end result is exactly the same.
A subscription just makes sure that I buy them all. Making me go to the Paizo store manually simply guarantees that I occasionally forget and you lose out on a sale.
Wrong. If Paizo didn't care you wouldn't have seen any of us posting on this thread. As I've said before, there's a LOT of other speed bumps and issues with offering a PDF subscription. We DO periodically revisit the idea of offering a PDF subscription, but the vast majority of our income comes from print copies. I suspect for one that a PDF only subscription would have to cost the same as a Print + PDF subscription, and I'm not sure people would appreciate or understand that. I could be wrong about that, of course; I'm not one of the marketing/store folks. There's also several other reasons why we haven't launched a PDF subscription yet as well that I've touched on already on this thread or other threads.
In any case, we HAVE heard the opinions and ideas in this thread and we ARE listening.
Its' obvious (to me at least) that Pazio cares; I've rarely seen as much company interaction as I have on these messageboards. I am glad to know that you haven't taken the idea off the table completely.
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- Subscription as it stands:
You get: 1 Hard copy and !!!Free PDF!!!.
AND you pay cover price. (Has Delivery costs) - New type of subscription: PDF only subscription
You get: 1 !!!PAID for PDF!!!.
AND you pay cover price. (No Delivery Costs)
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- Advantages of PDF only subscription: (dependant of point of view)
1 - Immediate access anywhere in the world.
2 - No delivery costs. - Disadvantages of PDF only subscription: (dependant of point of view)
1 - You let less for your money.
- Advantages of Hard Copy subscription: (dependant of point of view)
1 - Immediate access anywhere in the world for the FREE PDF.
2 - You get a cool hard copy of the book that you can put on your shelf.
3 - You get more for you money.
- Disadvantages of Hard Copy subscription: (dependant of point of view)
1 - You have variant Delivery Cost that is dependant of number of items being delivered and location.
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- 1 - Justify the price for the PDF only subscription.
- 2 - Justify the price for the Hard copy + free PDF subscription.
- 3 - What trends would you notice happening to CURRENT Hard Copy subscriptions?
- 4 - What trends would you notice happening to NEW Hard Copy subscriptions?
- 5 - What trend would you notice happening to new PDF subscriptions?
Exercise
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- PDF subscribers could make complaints about paying same price (cover price) as the Hard Copy + Free PDF.
- Possible reduction of price for PDF only subscribers could mean a shift of some Hard Copy Subscribers to PDF only Subscriptions.
- Reduction of Hard Copy subscriptions would mean an possible increase of costs for production of books.
- Margin made from hard copy subscriptions would not be enough to cover processing costs or at worse case it could be negative.
Fears
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- Plan 'A'
Do nothing at this stage and revisit this section periodically for revision. - Plan 'B'
1 - Remove FREE PDF from Hard Copy subscription.
2 - Reduce price for Hard Copy subscription.
3 - Reduce price for PDF subscription so it matches new Hard Copy price.
4 - Allow Hard Copy subscribers to buy PDF version of their books at reduce cost.
5 - Allow PDF Only subscribers to buy the Hard Copy version of their books at reduce price.Hopes
1 - Hope to get an increase of NEW subscriptions to cover the loss from the reduction of prices on CURRENT subscriptions.
2 - Hope that switch from Hard Copy to PDF Subscriptions is not high so processing cost of Hard Copy subscription is not effected so much.
3 - Hope for more NEW PDF subscriptions and Hard Copy subscriptions.
4 - Portella gets a raise from work and he finds a group to be able to actually play pathfinder RPG.
5 - Seoni gets a surname, "Portella" (^^.)
Possible Solutions
a PDF subscription could cost exactly the same as it costs buying them individualy i wouldn't mind since it already costs less
I would be at the same level as hard copy subscribers (gifts,news events...)Plus i would be shure not to forget anything
Its cool to handpick my PDF's but i'd feel better being a full PDF subscriber
I dont think it changes anything since
anybody can already do that by handpicking the PDF like i do rigth now
I still buy the hardcovers from stores (for now)
Maybe to stop selling Hardcoverbooks in PDF version would give a more balancing solution ( or avalable at same price as a hard copy)
If production is lowered than maybe you can produce them in the US instead of China (Find balance between full to medium scale production and less freigth expenses + less pollution + help your economy)
Maybe Paizo could change how they describe their subscription. Instead of subscribing to a print product and getting a pdf for free with it, they could call it a pdf subscription that comes with a free print product. Don't want to pay shipping? Decline the free print product.
I think this is a better way to do it. Basically, this reinforces that subscribers pay for content, not paper.
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Maybe Paizo could change how they describe their subscription. Instead of subscribing to a print product and getting a pdf for free with it, they could call it a pdf subscription that comes with a free print product. Don't want to pay shipping? Decline the free print product.I think this is a better way to do it. Basically, this reinforces that subscribers pay for content, not paper.
it does make sense however paizo publish books they may have many deals and so on with local game stores, book shops etc that would be hurt by a increase of price because of low demand on print books. If a PDF subscription with a free* hard copy was available most people and specially new subscribers would not pay the etra delivery cost to receive the hard copy.
The entire subscription method needs to change they need to come up with need stepped subscriptions that replace the old ones. leaving current subscribers on the old one and new ones get the new subscriptions types. to move the old subscriptions there shoud be incentives for old subscribers to move.
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Maybe Paizo could change how they describe their subscription. Instead of subscribing to a print product and getting a pdf for free with it, they could call it a pdf subscription that comes with a free print product. Don't want to pay shipping? Decline the free print product.I think this is a better way to do it. Basically, this reinforces that subscribers pay for content, not paper.
I'm paying for the paper. I want to hold the book in my hand, see it on the shelf, be able loan it out to people, or sell it to a used bookstore if I feel like it. PDFs are a nice bonus that offset the price of shipping for me.
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Yeah i agree that I don't see anything wrong with offering a pdf subscription at full cost of the PDF. It just makes sure people don't forget them and let them have them early too like other subscribers. I don't think it would effect Paizo's normal subscriptions much if at all and it would help make some fans happy, which is never a bad thing.
But i do understand Paizo being reluctent to offer a pdf subscription that gives cost reductions for fear of losing out on more of their other subscriptions. i will take their word for it that that's their bread and butter. But the above someone else mentioned is basicaly the same as people ordering the PDF's one at a time on their own other than letting them see them a bit early like us subscribers and making sure they never forget to order one.
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But i do understand Paizo being reluctent to offer a pdf subscription that gives cost reductions for fear of losing out on more of their other subscriptions. i will take their word for it that that's their bread and butter. But the above someone else mentioned is basicaly the same as people ordering the PDF's one at a time on their own other than letting them see them a bit early like us subscribers and making sure they never forget to order one.
You're right. It *is* basically the same, except for the delay and the potential for missed sales. The main benefit to customers of a PDF subscription vs. individual PDF sales is that a subscription would be more convenient for them.
However, every time this topic comes up, we hear from people who say that if we offered a PDF-only subscription, they would drop their print subscription. There are a few such posts in this very thread.
So, the heart of the question for Paizo is this: Would offering a PDF-only subscription cause enough lost print sales that it would noticeably affect print run sizes?
There are only two potential answers to this question: yes, it would noticeably affect print run sizes; or no, it would not noticeably affect print run sizes.
If the answer is no, there's no problem here; in fact, we might even attract enough PDF subscribers to increase our revenues. (I doubt those increases would be significant, though, since people who are likely to subscribe are already probably buying most of the PDFs individually now.)
However, if the answer is yes, then offering PDF-only subscriptions could cause irreparable harm to our business.
So we have to look at risk vs. reward. The reward for our customers is increased convenience, and the reward for us is probably not going to be dramatically high. The risk, however, is potentially crippling our main business.
I'm not willing to take that risk.
Of course offering a pdf subscription could increase the number of subscriptions by getting people that are currently not subscribing, like the OPer. This would off set some of the loss in revenue. Also, I would wager that several of the people that got pdf subscriptions would eventually end up getting hard copies by some other means (amazon or local gaming store for example) because having quality copies is worthwhile (assuming of course the product was of good quality to begin with). So there may actually be less loss of print print purchases than what might originally look like from the loss of print subscriptions.
If paizo basically did print runs as if any subscriptions were print subscriptions (if they were all the same price this would not be unreasonable) they would end up with extra copies that had already been "purchased" and not "claimed". Is there a worry about warehouse space? Is there a worry that paizo couldn't eventually sell those copies that were already "paid" for (thus making extra pure profit. so could be sold at discount for special occasions)? Paizo could throw the hard copies for the pdf subscribers in the trash and they would be no worse off than they are now.
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I work in a printshop so i would definately go for a PDF subscription
me and my group buy the hard covers only .
(in canada around 50$CND a peace)
for everything else i want PDF
I was told that if you use (Canada Post air) then you don't have to pay for cotoms fees like you have to with UPS
I need to verify this and also if paizo would go with it
With shipping through regular post (USPS and Canada Post) customs fees seemed to be based on the dollar value of the shipment. I have found that $40 and under don't have any fees attached.
I'm in Canada and have subscriptions to the Adventure Paths and to Modules and Companions - I buy my Chronicles stuff at a local gaming store. This generally works out to two books a shipment and the cost stays low enough that I don't get charged any customs fees.
However based on previous deliveries from the US if I were using UPS and its speedier shipment I think that I would be paying customs fees on my shipments and then UPS would then add their own (high) brokerage fees to the cost since they had to collect the customs fees... Ugh, I hate receiving anything by UPS.
With shipping through regular post (USPS and Canada Post) customs fees seemed to be based on the dollar value of the shipment. I have found that $40 and under don't have any fees attached.
I'm in Canada and have subscriptions to the Adventure Paths and to Modules and Companions - I buy my Chronicles stuff at a local gaming store. This generally works out to two books a shipment and the cost stays low enough that I don't get charged any customs fees.
However based on previous deliveries from the US if I were using UPS and its speedier shipment I think that I would be paying customs fees on my shipments and then UPS would then add their own (high) brokerage fees to the cost since they had to collect the customs fees... Ugh, I hate receiving anything by UPS.
Yep. My situation exactly too.
Maybe to stop selling Hardcoverbooks in PDF version would give a more balancing solution
No way. I love the PDFs. And the Print. The current deal where I get both for the price of one (and that is discounted as well, which will offset shipping) is exactly the way I like it!
If production is lowered than maybe you can produce them in the US instead of China
If production is lowered, the price per item goes up. And if they get US printers, it may go up even more.
And both is bad. Not just for Paizo (higher price means more people won't buy) but also for me.
I am not up for subscription. I am not slave or toy to anyone.
No, but you could be for the low low price of GP15 a week ;-P
Anyways, what I really want is a hardcover omnibus version like my beloved "Shackled City". But alas, it looks like that one was just a fluke...
There won't be any big pathfinder AP compilation hardcovers - they'd mean that people would not buy the monthly books and wait for the hardcover, which means Paizo doesn't get money, which means they might go out of business before the hardcover could ever be made.
Shackled City was nice, and I for one would have loved the other Dungeon APs to be released in a similar manner, but wizards didn't allow it.
I'm paying for the paper. I want to hold the book in my hand, see it on the shelf, be able loan it out to people, or sell it to a used bookstore if I feel like it. PDFs are a nice bonus that offset the price of shipping for me.Maybe Paizo could change how they describe their subscription. Instead of subscribing to a print product and getting a pdf for free with it, they could call it a pdf subscription that comes with a free print product. Don't want to pay shipping? Decline the free print product.I think this is a better way to do it. Basically, this reinforces that subscribers pay for content, not paper.
Under the above idea, you're paying for the content. The price is the same whether you accept that content as pdf, or pdf and paper. Envision the following (adapted from the Pathfinder Adventure Path subscription page):
Ongoing subscriptions are fixed at a 30% discount off of each volume’s single issue price. One ongoing subscription will enable you to download a PDF of every new volume of the Pathfinder Adventure Path as it's released, automatically continuing each month until you choose to cancel it. Instead of paying for your subscription all at once, we'll automatically charge your credit card each month. You only need to sign up once, and never need to worry about renewal notices or missed issues!
After each volume is released, subscribers who choose to will be shipped a print version of that volume—a $19.99 value—for only the cost of shipping; the print version itself is FREE!
It's all in how you think of it. People who really want the print product benefit from having access to the pdf's if desired. Those who want only the pdf's receive them regularly at the usual pdf price and won't miss issues. They have the option of receiving the print copy if they are willing to pay the shipping. For international customers, this cuts the total cost of "subscribing" significantly. Paizo does not lose on this because they don't make money from the shipping. People subscribing for the pdf's, would cause the print run for each issue to increase, as every subscriber would need to have a print issue potentially available. Not all of them would want it, which would leave Paizo some "left over" print issues, the cost of which had already been covered through the subscription model. In fact, increasing the print runs could result in some additional cost savings for Paizo. Everyone benefits in some way. But in order for it to feel "fair", people would have to change their perception - they are paying for the content, not the form of media the content is provided to them.
However, every time this topic comes up, we hear from people who say that if we offered a PDF-only subscription, they would drop their print subscription. There are a few such posts in this very thread.
So, the heart of the question for Paizo is this: Would offering a PDF-only subscription cause enough lost print sales that it would noticeably affect print run sizes?
Which is why every subscription must have a print version bundled to it. But not necessarily delivered to every subscriber. Among the current shipping options listed would have to be added a "Decline print version" option.
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Exactly my point, to offer a Pdf only subscription (even with a "decline" hard copy) is more risky then everyone is whiling to understand and accept.
As much as I would like to be able to have one it is not workable with the current sales model employed the company. Paizo would lose profit, we would pay more for hard copy books and it would increase the potential of copy right theft.
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Well treating every subscription as an print order seems ok, however printing is not the only cost, paizo still has to pay for processing cost and I am not sure a PDF only subscription would generate enough revenue that would cover the costs. And eventually they would have to do something with the books and books that will pile up on their storage. Give away? Burn them? Sell them at low cost? it would cost them money more then they would be making for sake of what?
It's all in how you think of it. People who really want the print product benefit from having access to the pdf's if desired. Those who want only the pdf's receive them regularly at the usual pdf price and won't miss issues. They have the option of receiving the print copy if they are willing to pay the shipping. For international customers, this cuts the total cost of "subscribing" significantly. Paizo does not lose on this because they don't make money from the shipping. People subscribing for the pdf's, would cause the print run for each issue to increase, as every subscriber would need to have a print issue potentially available. Not all of them would want it, which would leave Paizo some "left over" print issues, the cost of which had already been covered through the subscription model. In fact, increasing the print runs could result in some additional cost savings for Paizo. Everyone benefits in some way. But in order for it to feel "fair", people would have to change their perception - they are paying for the content, not the form of media the content is provided to them.
Precisely. I have never understood the perceived cost to Paizo of throwing a subscriber's print copy into the trash, if said subscriber doesn't want the print copy.
I used to be a charter subscriber, but cancelled my subscription after PF #4 partly because of the shipping cost for a hardcopy that had ZERO value to me (and partly because I ended my RotRL game after reading PF #3). I've been buying individual PDF's of CotCT and SD, but have decided to give LoF a miss because Arabian isn't my cup of tea. If Paizo had offered a PDF only subscription from the start, I'd probably have kept it rather than go to the trouble of cancelling and picking up specific issues I wanted, because the benefits that come with a subscription are nothing to be sneezed at - the Pathfinder Advantage and free Player's Guides.
Without a PDF subscription model, Paizo is definitely losing my business for the LoF arc at least. I just can't see how it helps Paizo NOT to offer a PDF subscription.
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You're right. It *is* basically the same, except for the delay and the potential for missed sales. The main benefit to customers of a PDF subscription vs. individual PDF sales is that a subscription would be more convenient for them.
The problem that it is not the same vic, the processing cost of the print subscription and the pdf are hugely different.
my problem is that soft copies (pdf) are hugely undervalued and unfortunately with out a major change in practices and sales model it wont be workable it would be too much of a risk and not enough of a reward.
And KaeYoss 15 gp a week!? I think this should stop now, I am not what you think and I am definitely not for sale.
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Well if they offered the price reduction then yeah I think that would cut into their subscription model. What I suggested is for those that have shipping cost as the main factor why they don't order. Is to offer a subscription for the PDF's all it would do would be you know you always get the PDF so you don't forget and you get the PDF when other people who get the full subscription get them.
The discount cost from the main subscription was not something I was suggesting to included. In fact what I suggest gives very little benefit to those that want it other than the two factors i already mentioned. So I doubt many at all would drop their print subscription for it and likely would gain a few more PDF ones.
But not my business and it honestly doesn't effect me one way or another so i just hope Paizo does what is best for them as a company so they stay around a long time to keep selling us high quality stuff.
How much money Paizo makes out of a PDF (all in their pockets and save trees)
How much money they make out of a printed version
(pay the freigth ,the fuel ,the printers , the warehouse , the crates , labors...)
Even if im buying PDF i still buy the hardcovers and i think if there was a printable discount i would buy even more hard copies
from a store close to my home
Based on some of the above replies, I'm obviously not communicating my ideas effectively. Regardless, Paizo should do what they feel is in their best interest.
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Information generated is only as good and the information collected, so it's true that if for example paizo were to use poorly collected or guesses in determining what price pdf's should be sold at the results would not be useful or worse harmful. But that is not the fault of the model but rather that of the faulty information and those who relied on it.
You've hit the first problem with using these types of models. At the end of the day, if your model is good and your input is bad, your output is crap. Available information is the key. Paizo knows their business better than I. However, since the price of Pathfinder Ap subscriptions has never changed, Paizo doesn't really what will happen if the price goes up $1 or $2. Also, Paizo doesn't really know how many print subs they'll loose in favor of PDF subs. They also don't really know how many PDF subs they might pick up. The only way they have to gather any data (other than to start making changes) is to survey their customer base, and as we all know, surveys are notoriously inaccurate. Again, bad data = high risk.
The second problem with models of this sort is that the behavior of large numbers of people is difficult to model accurately. People react to changes in strange, sometimes petty, ways. This also adds risk.
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EDIT: I feel like I'm coming to this party late, so apologies if I'm dredging up things better left alone.
So we have to look at risk vs. reward. The reward for our customers is increased convenience, and the reward for us is probably not going to be dramatically high. The risk, however, is potentially crippling our main business.
I'm not willing to take that risk.
I'm no MBA, but I'm not following your line of reasoning here. I think what is being proposed is a PDF-only subscription at the same price as the current print+PDF subscription.
I can't see how - even if every single subscriber changed over from print+PDF to PDF-only - this could possibly hurt Paizo's bottom line. Even in this worst case scenario, Paizo's income remains the same and their costs either stay the same (assuming they continue printing the same number of copies and destroy the leftovers or give them to charity*), or decrease (by printing/distributing a smaller number of print copies).
Now, admittedly there could be additional costs incurred by having to warehouse/destroy/distribute the extra printed copies, but I think this would probably be offset by the extra income stream that people not interested in a print+PDF subscription would create.
Speaking as someone who recently suspended (and will probably cancel) my subscription due to shipping costs coupled with a worsening US->NZ exchange rate, I'd be quite interested in a PDF-only subscription at the same price as the current print+PDF subscription. The benefits to me would be:
1) I'd save money on the shipping costs (a significant chunk of the cost, once converted to NZ dollars).
2) I'd still be able to support Paizo.
3) I'd get a regular (semi) predictable purchase without having to manually find/purchase each issue individually.
4) I'd get the PDF at the same time as current subscribers rather than a month later (this would be a condition for purchasing a PDF subscription).
That's basically the bottom line for me, and after receiving email communication trying to entice me back as a subscriber, I think it fair to come here and reply.
* Just wanted to register my dislike of the idea of having my print copy shipped to a prison. Veterans, schools, libraries, charities are all fine by me, but if I thought my print copy could end up "sponsoring" a criminal I'd probably have second thoughts about such a scheme.
EDIT: I feel like I'm coming to this party late, so apologies if I'm dredging up things better left alone.
I don't know. This thread is starting to feel like one of those parties, where everybody really wants to leave but nobody wants to be first out the door...
Under the above idea, you're paying for the content. The price is the same whether you accept that content as pdf, or pdf and paper. Envision the following (adapted from the Pathfinder Adventure Path subscription page):
Ongoing subscriptions are fixed at a 30% discount off of each volume’s single issue price. One ongoing subscription will enable you to download a PDF of every new volume of the Pathfinder Adventure Path as it's released, automatically continuing each month until you choose to cancel it. Instead of paying for your subscription all at once, we'll automatically charge your credit card each month. You only need to sign up once, and never need to worry about renewal notices or missed issues!
After each volume is released, subscribers who choose to will be shipped a print version of that volume—a $19.99 value—for only the cost of shipping; the print version itself is FREE!
It's all in how you think of it. People who really want the print product benefit from having access to the pdf's if desired. Those who want only the pdf's receive them regularly at the usual pdf price and won't miss issues. They have the option of receiving the print copy if they are willing to pay the shipping. For international customers, this cuts the total cost of "subscribing" significantly.
I see you beat me to it! This is exactly what I want to see. Make the subscription to the content, not the print product, and provide subscribers the "option" of getting a print copy for the cost of shipping.
Of course, depending on the costs of warehousing/destroying/distributing the left over print copies, it could increase costs slightly... I don't see that being significant, but that's something only Paizo has the hard data on to judge.
I'm intrigued by this Seoni subscription and would like to know more! Would she come weekly, or only once a month?
I'd also like a subscription to Seoni.
My answer to this question would go to another level of vulgarity (and might violate the forum TOS) so I'm just opting to say as much.
How rude! The thought of something like that makes me angry I am not up for subscription. I am not slave or toy to anyone.
Hmm... maybe a subscription to Lavender Lil instead.
And KaeYoss 15 gp a week!? I think this should stop now, I am not what you think and I am definitely not for sale.
Yep. Definitely a subscription to Lavender Lil instead. Oh, or Thais, if she'd be up for it. Or maybe...are there discount prices for two subscriptions if they're bundled together?
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Sorry, folks, nothing else for me to really contribute to this thread anymore. I'll...uh...simmer down.
As an aside, I want a job where the water cooler talk is about the latest Pathfinder releases.
These boards are a virtual water cooler. It's definitely more fun to get product when the discussions are going on.
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I see you beat me to it! This is exactly what I want to see. Make the subscription to the content, not the print product, and provide subscribers the "option" of getting a print copy for the cost of shipping.
Of course, depending on the costs of warehousing/destroying/distributing the left over print copies, it could increase costs slightly... I don't see that being significant, but that's something only Paizo has the hard data on to judge.
I seem to have a mental disconnect with this whole "content" line of reasoning. Of course you're buying content. When you buy a newspaper, you are paying for the content. When you buy a CD or DVD, you buy the content. When you buy a book, you pay for the content. Without any of the stuff that's on/in these items, no one would buy it. It's not like Paizo's selling us blank books. But they're no more "content providers" than any other publisher. Random House produces the content of their books, and Warner Bros. produces the content on their DVDs. The method of delivery of this content is a large part of the overhead cost of the content producer. Why would they not charge for the content based on the packaging? I'm sure a Ford Taurus with a Jaguar engine would be cheaper than a full Jaguar.
So far, I think the best idea, other than the charity one (which would probably add extra work for Paizo and make it unattractive in that light) is that all subs be sold as "PDF subscriptions with a free print version (for just the cost of shipping)." Customers could then opt out of the print version and worse case scenario is that Paizo is effectively charging people for book and then keeping it, allowing them to sell it to someone else.
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You're right. It *is* basically the same, except for the delay and the potential for missed sales. The main benefit to customers of a PDF subscription vs. individual PDF sales is that a subscription would be more convenient for them.The problem that it is not the same vic, the processing cost of the print subscription and the pdf are hugely different.
You misunderstand—I'm talking about the difference between a customer manually ordering a $13.99 PDF each month and a customer having a subscription to a $13.99 PDF that's automatically delivered each month.
So far, I think the best idea is that all subs be sold as "PDF subscriptions with a free print version (for just the cost of shipping)."
Either I'm very obtuse in my writing, or you really do have a disconnect because that's exactly what I was saying too!
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And KaeYoss 15 gp a week!? I think this should stop now, I am not what you think
You don't clean and tidy up using magic?
and I am definitely not for sale.
I was talking about rent. ;-P
Or salary, if you like that word better. I don't. It sounds like being paid in salad.
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You misunderstand—I'm talking about the difference between a customer manually ordering a $13.99 PDF each month and a customer having a subscription to a $13.99 PDF that's automatically delivered each month.You're right. It *is* basically the same, except for the delay and the potential for missed sales. The main benefit to customers of a PDF subscription vs. individual PDF sales is that a subscription would be more convenient for them.The problem that it is not the same vic, the processing cost of the print subscription and the pdf are hugely different.
Understood now, i retract my comment. and i agree that having this subscription would be to risky.
Salary,rent? for what services?
Salary,rent? for what services?
As I said above: Employing your magic to clean and tidy up around here.
That can't be that time-consuming or strenous for a magic user. Get some unseen servant and some prestidigitation and half an hour, and it's done.
I might ask for other services as the need arises, magic is so wonderfully versatile.
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Salary,rent? for what services?
As I said above: Employing your magic to clean and tidy up around here.
That can't be that time-consuming or strenous for a magic user. Get some unseen servant and some prestidigitation and half an hour, and it's done.
I might ask for other services as the need arises, magic is so wonderfully versatile.
well i am certain we can sort something out.
well i am certain we can sort something out.
Oh, I'm sure of it. If you don't need gold, we could trade favours. Someone of my abilities is bound to be able to render services you will find pleasing. Annoying neighbour you want me to disappear?
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Oh, I'm sure of it. If you don't need gold, we could trade favours. Someone of my abilities is bound to be able to render services you will find pleasing. Annoying neighbour you want me to disappear?well i am certain we can sort something out.
Fantastic, i havent got anyone that has crossed me yet but i keep that in mind if i get one
I would love a PDF subscription. even if it is the same price as buying the PDF individually.
Update: I just bought the PDF of Rappan Athuk Reloaded ($30 US) and all 12 PDFs of the War of the Burning Sky adventure path ($12 US for all 12!). So that should keep me reading for a good, long while...