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Well I would call myself a conservative, although I'm not conservative enough for people around here. I've been called a commie pinko leftist lib because I told some guy from the John Birch Society that I thought he had fallen of the silly boat into an ocean of craziness. I believe that to be a conservative mean that you believe in 1) lower taxes, 2) less government interference in peoples lives, and 3) respect for other people and their choices. That includes letting them fail if that is where their choices take them.
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All you right-wingers and conservatives out there should try this quiz. Or you can take one of the two quizs here, whether you are liberal or conservative. I am either a log cabin conservative or a fiscal conservative, depending on what quiz you take. If you are not sure what you are On The Issues will help you find out.
edit: For the record, On the issues has me as a Libertarian-Leaning Conservative.
Where do Conservatives stand on the 'tastes great / less filling' debate?
edit: For the record, On the issues has me as a Libertarian-Leaning Conservative.
Apparently I am a Social Justice Crusader and believe in equality, fairness, and preventing neo-Confederate conservative troglodytes from rolling back fifty years of civil rights gains.
We are on the "if you drink lite beer your a pussy" side of the debate.
Wow. What is lower than 'pussy' because I do not drink beer.
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All you right-wingers and conservatives out there should try this quiz. Or you can take one of the two quizs here, whether you are liberal or conservative. I am either a log cabin conservative or a fiscal conservative, depending on what quiz you take. If you are not sure what you are On The Issues will help you find out.
edit: For the record, On the issues has me as a Libertarian-Leaning Conservative.
First quiz: Tie - 92% Libertarian, 92% Reagan Conservative. The tie-breaker was a tax question, and Libertarian won out.
My Reagan score was high because of my opinion of the U.N., I suppose.
Second quiz: Liberal score: Left Leaning Hipster. Conservative score: Free Marketeer.
It seems pretty accurate, I guess. I took the liberal test just to see what I'd get, I can't stand hipsters, so I thought it was funny.
Edit: Funny, David, For the Record has me as a conservative leaning Libertarian. Hmmm :)
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We are on the "if you drink lite beer your a pussy" side of the debate.Wow. What is lower than 'pussy' because I do not drink beer.
No, not drinking beer at all is much more admirable than drinking lite beer, although I guess you could make the argument that lite beer drinkers aren't really beer drinkers.
No, teetotalism is admirable imo.
All you right-wingers and conservatives out there should try this quiz. Or you can take one of the two quizs here, whether you are liberal or conservative. I am either a log cabin conservative or a fiscal conservative, depending on what quiz you take. If you are not sure what you are On The Issues will help you find out.
edit: For the record, On the issues has me as a Libertarian-Leaning Conservative.
Reagan conservative on one and Flag Waving Patriot on the other. No surprise there.
No, teetotalism is admirable imo.
Oh I have had a glass of wine now and then. I just do not like the taste of beer.
See, that's ok too. But drinking lite beer is just wrong.
I am so glad my lifestyle meets with your approval. I will sleep better tonight. :P
See, that's ok too. But drinking lite beer is just wrong.I am so glad my lifestyle meets with your approval. I will sleep better tonight. :P
You're a Jack now Derek. You don't put up with this kind of smack from a poodle.
See, that's ok too. But drinking lite beer is just wrong.I am so glad my lifestyle meets with your approval. I will sleep better tonight. :PYou're a Jack now Derek. You don't put up with this kind of smack from a poodle.
See my post above ;)
See my post above ;)See, that's ok too. But drinking lite beer is just wrong.I am so glad my lifestyle meets with your approval. I will sleep better tonight. :PYou're a Jack now Derek. You don't put up with this kind of smack from a poodle.
If it was me I would have punted him. To each his own I guess.
Eh, punting poodles has lost its charm, it's like slamming Republicans, too easy and it's been done to death...
Reading through this massive thread has reinforced some of my personal beliefs...
1. Gamers can have intelligent, if sometimes heated, discussions on real social issues.
2. The two-party system "sucks and should be destroyed" (borrowing from Henry Rollins). Partisan politics detracts from sound decision-making by enforcing the party line. I would like to see people actually run for office on their own merits rather than appearing as a tool of a political party.
I am a registered independent. I voted for Obama mostly because, given the facts and a choice, McCain-Palin didn't appeal to me. I was probably swayed a bit by the whole "history-making first black president" appeal, and I'll admit that. I did not feel that any candidate was perfect. My choices from the other political parties weren't that appealing. I just hope Mr. O can fulfill a fraction of his promises.
I will say that the first 90 days haven't even passed in Obama's first term. I am not ready to take up a pitchfork and charge town square yet. Any "fix" that will happen will not be a "silver bullet", as he put it, and recovery will be slow in coming. The economy will recover; history gives us hope for that. I am more concerned about the fight over health care reform and education reform. Hopefully these will get as much priority as the economy and not be consumed by the growing hype and concern of the economy (even though I am pissed about taking a 5-figure loss in my retirement plan... hopefully I'll get that back too.)
I wish I had something more witty or insightful to add to the conversation, but I am not feeling that clever right now.
Oh, and while I decline to join a political party, I love the Libertarian idea of less gov't, being conservative fiscally, and being laissez faire. So consider me a supporter of your 4 to 5-man party you got going on here. Let me know when your next rally convenes.
Partisan politics detracts from sound decision-making by enforcing the party line.
And I think this is exactly what Obama is trying to do by walking down the middle.
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Partisan politics detracts from sound decision-making by enforcing the party line.And I think this is exactly what Obama is trying to do by walking down the middle.
Huh? Which Obama have you been watching? If the President is the "leader" of his or her party, why aren't his "followers" in Congress displaying even a shred of bi-partisanship?
Obama's talk about "walking the middle road" is just that, talk. Clinton actually managed to do so, but he was also dealing with a hostile Congress. You can say whatever you want about Clinton, the man, but Clinton, the President, did a decent job. I still have some nits to pick with him, particularly over the "not taking Osama Bin Laden when the Sudan offered him up on a silver platter" thing, but, overall, he did a decent job.
Bush tried to be so, in the beginning (his strong point as Governor of Texas was his willingness to work with Dems in the Legislature), but he drew pack a bloody stump when he offered the olive branch.
I can go into detail on why the following is extremely likely to happen, if people don't realize this yet.
A source for these dire predictions would be good...
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Obama rejects legalizing marijuana as a part of economic stimulus. Apparently not everything is on the table.
Apparently not everything is on the table.
I am still pulling for the mandatory gay marriages.
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Obama rejects legalizing marijuana as a part of economic stimulus. Apparently not everything is on the table.
Yeah, cutting billions of dollars out of law enforcement budgets and billions of dollars on incarceration, starting a thousand new small businesses, and adding a new tax revenue source wouldn't help at all.
Next person that tells me this dude's a genius gets a boot to the head.
Apparently not everything is on the table.I am still pulling for the mandatory gay marriages.
How about outlawing marriage all together? That way no straight or gay will have to suffer. ;)
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Although, with as much debt as we owe the Chinese, this might be more likely.
That's the one I was looking for! I guess I didn't scroll down far enough on the google search.
Thanks, David :)
"Ed. Ed Gruberman."
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Obama rejects legalizing marijuana as a part of economic stimulus. Apparently not everything is on the table.Yeah, cutting billions of dollars out of law enforcement budgets and billions of dollars on incarceration, starting a thousand new small businesses, and adding a new tax revenue source wouldn't help at all.
Next person that tells me this dude's a genius gets a boot to the head.
With as much debt as we owe China, This is much more likely.
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Although, with as much debt as we owe the Chinese, this might be more likely.That's the one I was looking for! I guess I didn't scroll down far enough on the google search.
Thanks, David :)
"Ed. Ed Gruberman."
I edited mine with a much more humerous version. Somehow, it fits extremely well.
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I edited mine with a much more humerous version. Somehow, it fits extremely well.Although, with as much debt as we owe the Chinese, this might be more likely.That's the one I was looking for! I guess I didn't scroll down far enough on the google search.
Thanks, David :)
"Ed. Ed Gruberman."
Yeah, the TNMT version is funnier! ;)
How about outlawing marriage all together? That way no straight or gay will have to suffer. ;)
Life is suffering.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. Scary stuff
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. Scary stuff
Keep moving , keep moving; nothing to see here. Someone get that poodle out of here.
Obama rejects legalizing marijuana as a part of economic stimulus. Apparently not everything is on the table.Yeah, cutting billions of dollars out of law enforcement budgets and billions of dollars on incarceration, starting a thousand new small businesses, and adding a new tax revenue source wouldn't help at all.
Next person that tells me this dude's a genius gets a boot to the head.
Yeah, so much for social liberalism. Heck I'd even be happy if they put the taxes on legal marijuanna they put on beer or cigarettes.
The one thing I was hoping Obama would do that I'd back ..sheesh ..
Goes off to 'meditate' in his blacklight room
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. Scary stuffKeep moving , keep moving; nothing to see here. Someone get that poodle out of here.
Not the greatest source mind you, but the news story is correct.
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. Scary stuff
Yep, nothing says "liberty" like compulsive service.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. Scary stuffYep, nothing says "liberty" like compulsive service.
Could you imagine if Bush tried something like this? LOL!
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Could you imagine if Bush tried something like this? LOL!I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. Scary stuffYep, nothing says "liberty" like compulsive service.
Don't even want to contemplate the s$%^storm it would have caused. Hopefully, one of these days Americans will realize neither party has their interests at heart.
As a former high school teacher, I'd be all in favor of mandatory service for the kids who refused to to anything else -- a couple hours a week spent helping the community wouln't kill them. About half of my students kept up with their homework and were also into sports, family activities, church, part-time jobs, and possibly junior ROTC involvement (many kids with all of the above). The other half did no homework, no sports, no work... they did nothing, apparently, except watch Jerry Springer, play video games, and breed. Many of these latter kids were fantastic repeat customers; I had one child in my class from the time he was 15 until he turned 21. He never did turn in a single assignment.
If the bill provided mandatory activities only for the kids who didn't already have activities, sort of a "get off your fat lazy ass" bill... well, that's no substitute for involved parents, but, sadly, many kids lack those (they have only chromosome donors, not actual parents). The trick would be to make sure that the kids with jobs, etc. got kept off the list.
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As a former high school teacher, I'd be all in favor of mandatory service for the kids who refused to to anything else. About half of my students kept up with their homework and were also into sports, family activities, church, part-time jobs, and possibly junior ROTC involvement (many kids with all of the above). The other half did no homework, no sports, no work... they did nothing, apparently, except watch Jerry Springer, play video games, and breed.
If the bill provided mandatory activities only for the kids who didn't already have activities, sort of a "get off your fat lazy ass" bill... well, that's no substitute for involved parents, but, sadly, many kids lack those (they have only chromosome donors, not actual parents).
Sorry, I have to disagree. The government's job isn't to be a surrogate parent. This is a slippery slope, without a doubt. Now, if they would pass a "you're a douchebag unfit to spawn, here's your vasectomy/tube tying" law, I might suspend my love of civil liberties for a second...
Edited to ward off the creepy cross-dressing grammarian....
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Under section 6104 of the bill, entitled “Duties,” in subsection B6, the legislation states that a commission will be set up to investigate, “Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed.
Read it people no where does it say they are going to implement it they are simply looking to see if it is a possible option.
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Under section 6104 of the bill, entitled “Duties,” in subsection B6, the legislation states that a commission will be set up to investigate, “Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed.
Read it people no where does it say they are going to implement it they are simply looking to see if it is a possible option.
"Fair" and "Mandatory", when applied to any form of compulsory anything, are antonyms in a free society.
