Weapon Focus - Touch Attacks?

[Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper]

Currently, aside from manufactured weapons, Weapon Focus allows the feat to be applied to:
- unarmed strike
- grapple
- ray

Since a ray is a ranged touch attack, I was wondering why couldn't a character gain this feat on melee touch attacks?

My suggestion would be to omit the reference to ray, and add in "touch attacks and ranged touch attacks".

[Rezdave]

Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:

aside from manufactured weapons, Weapon Focus allows the feat to be applied to:

- unarmed strike

Might also want to change this to "unarmed strike or any natural attack" since many monsters seem to use this. Eventually, non-Demi-Human PCs will show up in PRPG wanting to use the feat, and the rules-lawyers won't let them.

Rez

[bden]

A touch attack is not the same as a melee attack(unarmed or natural)
since you only need to touch its a lot easier.(no weapon focus)
that is why you bypass armor and natural armor and cant use your stength bonus but you can use your agility modifier on the attack roll
(i think its the only way you can use your agility modifier to an attack roll without weapon finess i have to check on this one)
i think it was explained for the warlock or it was my DM's call

If you want you can make your touch attack
an unarmed attack ,natural attack or sometimes channel your touch attack(effect)trough a melee weapon in this case you can use weapon focus but you do not bypass armor making this kind of tactic almost useless unless you have a very strong melee or natural attack plus a high stength bonus or the weapon finess feat

[Repairman Jack]

bden wrote:

A touch attack is not the same as a melee attack(unarmed or natural)

since you only need to touch its a lot easier.(no weapon focus)
that is why you bypass armor and natural armor and cant use your stength bonus but you can use your agility modifier on the attack roll
(i think its the only way you can use your agility modifier to an attack roll without weapon finess i have to check on this one)
i think it was explained for the warlock or it was my DM's call

If you want you can make your touch attack
an unarmed attack ,natural attack or sometimes channel your touch attack(effect)trough a melee weapon in this case you can use weapon focus but you do not bypass armor making this kind of tactic almost useless unless you have a very strong melee or natural attack plus a high stength bonus or the weapon finess feat

A touch attack IS the same as a melee attack. It just goes against the touch AC of the target. It does use strength as a modifier; unless the attacker has Weapon Finesse, then it uses dexterity as a modifier.

A ranged touch attack is the same as a ranged attack, and uses dexterity as a modifier. It goes against the touch AC of the target, instead of the full AC.

You can take Weapon Focus (unarmed strike) as a feat, but there is no provision in the Weapon Focus description for touch attacks. There is one for Weapon Focus (ray), which covers ranged touch attacks.

You cannot deliver a touch spell with an unarmed strike, natural weapon or manufactured weapon unless there is some spell effect or class feature that allows it.

If your DM says otherwise it is his house-rule(which is a common one).

[bden]

Sorry !
My last post was based on house rules and other source books not PFB

you could use weapon focus with claws
(draconic bloodline or spell effects like magic fang)

Hold the charge for one round and discharge the touch spell with the claw attack with the bonus of the weapon focus feet and dealing
the claw damage and spell effect at the same time

It's explained under Holding the Charge PFB Page 138

Did you check Arcane Strike ? i think it would be a better choic of feat