Not all 3.5 products are dropping in price....

[Chris Mortika]

joela wrote:

Nice. Still not giving up my set, though. Same with DUNE: Chronicles of the Imperium rpg.

Note to self: Joela has a copy of the Dune RPG. Be nice to Joela.

[Dennis Harry]

I was kind of 50%/50% on Time of Thin Blood. I would have liked it more if I were a player as opposed to an ST when it came out.

Really never cared about the element books for 3.5 they seemed to not have very much I was really all that interested in.

[DM Wellard]

I seem to remember seeing a Pathfinder Beta test Rulebook on sale on Amazon UK for some ridiculous price
ah here it is

linky

But I'm sure I saw one on E-Bay at over £100

[gbonehead]

Urizen wrote:

A lot of us suffers from the same disease. :P

EDIT: it's my only explanation of owning Weapons of Legacy and BO9S.

It's funny ... one person's garbage, etc. etc.

My table loves those two books. Though I suppose a large part of it is the one or two really broken abilities.

For example, I have a druid who took levels in Warblade for the sole purpose of gaining access to the iron heart surge maneuver.

And I ignored the idiotic WoTC ruling that said using that maneuver ended the effect. Sure, you use this piddly level 3 maneuver and you can wipe out the 100-foot-radius anti-magic field of an iron colossus ... suuuuuuure. I ended up ruling that the effect or whatever stopped affecting you but it didn't go away.

[Urizen]

gbonehead wrote:

Urizen wrote:

A lot of us suffers from the same disease. :P

EDIT: it's my only explanation of owning Weapons of Legacy and BO9S.

It's funny ... one person's garbage, etc. etc.

My table loves those two books. Though I suppose a large part of it is the one or two really broken abilities.

I have to ask; what books would have been garbage for your table?

[Matthew Morris]

Urizen wrote:

I have to ask; what books would have been garbage for your table?

Hmm, WotC books?

Expedition to Castle Ravenloft :P

Weapons of Legacy (Good idea, poor execution)

(In)Complete psionic.

CityScape could have been better.

Tome of Magic (Shadowcaster needed fixed, Truenamer didn't flow and, well I have SoPM and VoPM)

Book of Vile Darkness/Book of Exalted Cheese, er Deeds.

I happen to like Bo9S

[Chris Mortika]

Matthew Morris wrote:

Urizen wrote:

I have to ask; what books would have been garbage for your table?

Hmm, WotC books?

Expedition to Castle Ravenloft :P

I have to agree. Most of the "Expedition" books were meat-grinders. This didn't impact UnderMountain very much, and the Castle Greyhawk team steered around that tendency, but it did a great deal of violence to Ravenloft.

Matthew wrote:

Weapons of Legacy (Good idea, poor execution)

Agreed. I think Unearthed Arcana's Legendary Weapons system, with people taking levels in the scion prestige class, was a better implementation.

Matthew wrote:

(In)Complete psionic.

Now, see, I thought the two psionic books present a pretty good system. (Leaving aside the poor Soulblade, and ignoring the power-downs that Complete Psionic tried to deal shapers.) What else were you hoping to see?

Matthew wrote:

CityScape could have been better.

You, sir, have the gift of understatement. There have been many essays, booklets, and products about how to run city adventures. Never have I read so many pages that were of so little help.

Matthew wrote:

Tome of Magic (Shadowcaster needed fixed, Truenamer didn't flow and, well I have SoPM and VoPM)

I agree with Truenamer being ill-developed. (If there's a skill that the class absolutely needs, in order to function, don't put it on the general skills list as if it were an option. Make it part of the class features. And then check to see if the mechanics work.)

I've never played a Shadowcaster, but it seemed to be a reasonable class at first read. What did you find at fault there?

Matthew wrote:

Book of Vile Darkness/Book of Exalted Cheese, er Deeds.

These books addressed a type of campaign dealing with issues I've never been interested in exploring, as either a DM or player.

Matthew wrote:

I happen to like Bo9S.

There's errata and developers' notes out in the Wizards' archives that makes the Bo9S classes a little less powerful and a little easier to play.

My entries for "3.5 books I'd be least willing to pay good money for" include [list]

the final "tearing of the weave" series of Forgotten Realms "modules" (I put that word in quotation marks, because your PCs don't actually participate in the adventure so much as watch its inexorable march through the Realms.)

Races of the Dragon, which gave us a bunch of uninspired draconian character options. Notable mostly for the abuse that people have showered on the rules for playing kobolds.

Frostburn, which would have made a fine 32-page product.
and of course

the Dungeon Survival Guide.

[ericthecleric]

Chris, I actually liked Frostburn, although the other books in the series didn't do anything for me. (Oh, there were a few good ideas in the desert book, but not that much.)

[Urizen]

Another unused book for me has been Magic of Incarnum.

[Dennis Harry]

I like Weapons of Legacy now that I have modified the hell out of it anyway.

I feel neutral about all of the Races Books which is part of why I bought them on the cheap from ebay as some of my players like them. Not sure I liked Expedition to Undermountain though I will try to use it since I have it (I have the original Undermountain boxed sets and they were much better). The FR super modules I plan on running in a few years though it seems most people were not crazy about them. I do not use Magic of Incarnum besides the word "Incarnum". I don't use Tome of Magic at all.

Most products though I have found there is at least something useful in them even if it is just a few pages.

[Jandrem]

I really enjoyed the Shadowcaster, but it was horribly weak in comparison to other classes. Even the original creator of the class feels it was under-powered and needed fixed. This never stopped me from playing one, but I knew going in my survival chances were slim. Rarely does a campaign come along where I could play one and not feel like I was going to get one-shotted at any given time, and there's always something else the party could benefit from more, and at that moment I'd rather play.

I've recently cracked open Magic of Incarnum and figured out the system. I like the flavor of it, but just like Shadowcasters, it's hard to really find a game where an Incarnum character could fit. I feel like that's a sort of downfall of the newer, obscure sub-systems; if the DM has no knowledge of what the system is or does, it's really hard to play a consistent campaign, where you aren't explaining every little thing you do, and in general what you are to the party.

[Gruumash]

It's funny I liked Stormwrack and Sandstorm more than Frostburn. Probably because the campaign I run uses those environments more.

I also really liked the Vile/Exalted Series even though currently the campaign I run is for younger minds (niece and newphew with my sister).

I agree with sentiments about Cityscape, did not look like it had enough in it to make it a valueable purchase.

I did buy Tome of Magic, mainly because I really liked the Fiendbinder class(currently I play one) though it seems to have some issues I think it can be playable. I agree I don't like that truenaming is a skill rather than a feat but we have managed to play around with it some saying that if one becomes a fiendbinder it becomes a class skill.

[Urizen]

The only thing I really liked out of ToM was the Binder. I just need to look into Dario's supplements to expand the flavor.

[Gruumash]

Urizen wrote:

The only thing I really liked out of ToM was the Binder. I just need to look into Dario's supplements to expand the flavor.

I am not familiar with Dario's Supplements? Do you have a link where I can see it or buy it? I am a huge fan of the binder so anything I can find that has made it better I am game for.

[Matthew Morris]

Gruumash wrote:

Urizen wrote:

The only thing I really liked out of ToM was the Binder. I just need to look into Dario's supplements to expand the flavor.

I am not familiar with Dario's Supplements? Do you have a link where I can see it or buy it? I am a huge fan of the binder so anything I can find that has made it better I am game for.

You can order them from here *shameless plug*

Also his website for pact magic is here.

If you use Golarion, the Atlans can be merged into the Azlanti pretty easily.

[Gruumash]

Matthew Morris wrote:

Gruumash wrote:

Urizen wrote:

The only thing I really liked out of ToM was the Binder. I just need to look into Dario's supplements to expand the flavor.

I am not familiar with Dario's Supplements? Do you have a link where I can see it or buy it? I am a huge fan of the binder so anything I can find that has made it better I am game for.

You can order them from here *shameless plug*

Also his website for pact magic is here.

If you use Golarion, the Atlans can be merged into the Azlanti pretty easily.

thank you sir. I appreciate this.