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Right now Diverse Training reads like this....
Diverse Training: An eldritch knight adds his level to any levels of fighter he might have for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats. He also adds his level to any levels in an arcane spellcasting class for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats.
I'd like it if it should also stack with Ranger levels for purposes of Ranger combat styles, Rogue for taking Rogue Talents as Feats, Barbarian for taking Rage Powers as feats, etc.
You could probably also stick a rider on it so that it only applies to one of them. Just as you only get a single arcane spellcasting class.
This was a Thought triggered by Majuba's suggested Prerequisite changes and how many new combinations that would allow.
I'd like it if it should also stack with Ranger levels for purposes of Ranger combat styles, Rogue for taking Rogue Talents as Feats, Barbarian for taking Rage Powers as feats, etc.
Diverse training shouldn't stack with any of these. Eldritch knights don't count their prestige class level towards their fighter level for the purpose of gaining fighter bonus feats, so they shouldn't count it towards their level in any other warrior class for the purpose of gaining class features.
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Diverse training shouldn't stack with any of these. Eldritch knights don't count their prestige class level towards their fighter level for the purpose of gaining fighter bonus feats, so they shouldn't count it towards their level in any other warrior class for the purpose of gaining class features.
No they count it in toward the eligibility prerequisites of fighter feats, as is noted in the spoiler above. I'm not saying they should get feats or other special class abilities for free. I'm saying they should be able to take them as if their level was high enough.
At certain ranger levels you gain the ability to take feats without meeting the normal prerequisites. This seems Equivalent to the Fighter level requirement for some feats.
Rogue Talents and Rage Powers also have level requirements.
I think this would really open up the options for the Eldrich Knight in terms of what martial class you take it with.
But you can't get rage powers or rogue talents by going up in eldritch knight levels. You CAN get more feats, and with diverse training, you can choose Weapon Specialization (for example) as one of those feats. So diverse training as it stands is fairly useful. Changing it would make it more complicated without much return. That's my opinion, anyway.
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But you can't get rage powers or rogue talents by going up in eldritch knight levels. You CAN get more feats, and with diverse training, you can choose Weapon Specialization (for example) as one of those feats. So diverse training as it stands is fairly useful. Changing it would make it more complicated without much return. That's my opinion, anyway.
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You mean you can't go back to a class you have levels in and get more?
But you can't get rage powers or rogue talents by going up in eldritch knight levels. You CAN get more feats, and with diverse training, you can choose Weapon Specialization (for example) as one of those feats. So diverse training as it stands is fairly useful. Changing it would make it more complicated without much return. That's my opinion, anyway.*Blink Blink*
You mean you can't go back to a class you have levels in and get more?
If you do, you're not going up in eldritch knight levels; you're going up in levels of whatever class... well whatever class in which you're getting more levels.
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If you do, you're not going up in eldritch knight levels; you're going up in levels of whatever class... well whatever class in which you're getting more levels.But you can't get rage powers or rogue talents by going up in eldritch knight levels. You CAN get more feats, and with diverse training, you can choose Weapon Specialization (for example) as one of those feats. So diverse training as it stands is fairly useful. Changing it would make it more complicated without much return. That's my opinion, anyway.*Blink Blink*
You mean you can't go back to a class you have levels in and get more?
You know those feats you have to have fighter levels to qualify for? Why do they get special treatment from the Eldrich Knight?
Why not other similar situations?
You know those feats you have to have fighter levels to qualify for? Why do they get special treatment from the Eldrich Knight?
Why not other similar situations?
It's part of the benefit of the prestige class.
well, it is easy to make a variant prestige class I guess, but I think this one works fine even for barbarians or rangers..
rogues, dont fit the class at all imo, they dont qualify for the requirements anyway. to increase rage powers I think the class should give rage abilities to start with. rangers would be ok, but I dont really see the point
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well, it is easy to make a variant prestige class I guess, but I think this one works fine even for barbarians or rangers..
rogues, dont fit the class at all imo, they dont qualify for the requirements anyway. to increase rage powers I think the class should give rage abilities to start with. rangers would be ok, but I dont really see the point
The Point is very simple, So you don't need a Dozen Prestige Classes for all of the varying warrior classes you could be taking into the Eldrich Knight.
What I'd like to know is if you don't have any fighter levels, do your EK levels still count for eligibility for fighter feats?"An eldritch knight adds his level to any levels of fighter he might have for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats."
Does "any levels" can also mean "zero levels" of fighter? So zero plus X is still X? Personally, I don't think that was the intention.
I haven't heard a ruling - but I think that's part of the point. They are essentially "Fighter Feats" after all. So Weapon Spec at 5th, Greater Focus at 9th would be possible.
Hmm, and suppose all those others that are Fighter only now.
I dont see any reason why you would not be able to, in that way all martial classes benefit.
fighter feats seem enough benefit to me so that other martial classes increases would be near useless, for the odd monkey wanting to increase in ragepower or ranger combat style, just ask your dm for a houseruling. no need to complicate this prestigeclass with something near enough nobody will use.
Hence why I'm looking for a ruling. If this is against the intent of the rule, it should be addressed by adding text that states so. I.E. 'If a character has no fighter levels, this ability has no effect.'
I have a barbarian/wizard.
The EK levels Stack with fighter levels meaning ADD your fighter levels to your EK levels for the purpose of "qualifying" for fighter feats.
typical EK will have 1 level of fighter.
So 3 levels of EK plus 1 Level of fighter means you can take weapon specialization.
0 levels of fighter plus 4 levels of EK means you can take weapon specialization.
The prerequisite for EK is not 1 level of fighter, it is proficent with all martial weapons. So you don't have to have 1 level of fighter to benefit from the class.
"An eldritch knight adds his level to any levels of fighter he might have for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats."
Does "any levels" can also mean "zero levels" of fighter? So zero plus X is still X? Personally, I don't think that was the intention.
For clarity's sake (and an official answer), I just posted this question on the Errata thread.
I personally think that a Ranger 1/ Wizard 5/ Eldritch Knight 4 (for example) CAN take Weapon Specialization, but an official answer would be better, IMHO.
"An eldritch knight adds his level to any levels of fighter he might have for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats."
Does "any levels" can also mean "zero levels" of fighter? So zero plus X is still X? Personally, I don't think that was the intention.
For clarity's sake (and an official answer), I just posted this question on the Errata thread.
I personally think that a Ranger 1/ Wizard 5/ Eldritch Knight 4 (for example) CAN take Weapon Specialization, but an official answer would be better, IMHO.
If EK was meant to be fighter only plus arcane spell casting class, it would say in prerequisites, one level of fighter. But it says "proficent with all martial weapons" meaning any of the full bab classes.
No other PrC doesn't allow a character access to class features that qualifies for the class.
PrCs are deliberately built to exclude ramrod choices. Such a class will never say "one level of fighter", but it may well say "all martial weapons and armour" or "BAB +4". One's inclusive and the other is simply badly written.