Changes to Rise of the Runelords for 6 PCs (Spoilers )


Rise of the Runelords

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Joey Virtue wrote:

Im just getting back into the loop with school starting back up so I can do stuff here in Class can everyone who needs to the notes in word please let me know.

Thanks guys im glad you are enjoying the changes

Hello there,

First time I ever felt the need to post on these forums. However finally my game group is about to finish a long campaign and the DM is turning the reigns over to me. I have chosen the Runelords with much additions and changes to account for 8 PCs. It would obviously make my task much easier if I merely utilized the wheel chiseled by a vetran. If you have the time Joey, I would greatly appreciate you sending me your word doc. Am I correct in thinking you made changes to Karzhoug as well? My email is sharrasfire at sbcglobal dot net (no spaces in the email address).


Joey Virtue wrote:
No Not yet my game is on a break because I just purchased a home

Joey, if you are still sending out your modifications, I would love a copy: jim that-shift-2-symbol texasobriens that-period-dot-thing com.

Thanks in advance!


I just started Burnt Offerings on Tuesday and your additions definitely helped. They just captured Tsuto in the Glassworks factory and now, I'm leading them into the Catacombs of Wrath. They keep insisting to follow Shuala, the elf ranger, but I manage to deter them.

I would love to be sent everything when you get the chance. :)
chaosklown522 at yahoo dot com


Hi Joey, thanks for all your efforts, I too would like to request that you include me in your mailout of the latest updates of your fine alterations.

My email: Rodg001 (at) tpg.com.au


It seems like my table may have just grown to 7 people. Has anyone run these changes with 7 people? Or did they have to further "beef up" the encounters?


Wow. Thanks Joey.
I'm about to start ROTR:BO this Sunday (so excited). You just took one task off my plate with these lists. I'm definitely using them! Will let you know how it goes.

I was kinda surprised your stuff wasn't listed in the Forum Created Stuff thread.

Hrm. Considering the amount of stuff I've taken off these forums (this, Forum Created Stuff, spell cards, Converting ROTRL to PFRG, timeline considerations, ... not to mention all the advice...) to help me with running ROTR:BO, maybe I should start a campaign log and credit all the really creative people and stuff found here.

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber
lord_orpheus wrote:
It seems like my table may have just grown to 7 people. Has anyone run these changes with 7 people? Or did they have to further "beef up" the encounters?
redcelt32 wrote:
Since I have eight players, I have had to add some challenges into the game to keep it interesting. I must highly recommed Joey Venture's notes on 6 player parties in RotRL, but I have had to up the ante even more in a few places. When the party fought the goblins in the glassworks, there were 5 goblin commandos and about 8 regular goblins. I also put Tsuto up on a scaffolding 25' up in one of the glass window "towers" in the main room. I gave him a quiver of endless normal arrows upped his dex and wis for an AC of 19, and started peppering the party near the end of the goblin fight, after they had used up most of their spells and specail abilities. I think combat lasted 7-8 rounds for all the goblins, and another 10 rounds or so before they took down Tsuto. Part of this was due to the fact that only the rogue and ranger had missile weapons, but it made the battle long and hard, as well as satisfying. The bard tried to talk to him during the fight, but after he shot her down to zero hps not once but twice, she was quite pissed at him and is working on a derogatory song to defame his character even after his death! :)

Lord_orpheus, I am running 8 + a bear companion thru Burnt Offerings atm, so if you are interested I can give you some feedback on what additional changes I made and how they went if you like. The above quote is from the "Post your RotRL Party" thread, and just one example of changes I made to keep the challenge up for my overly large party. My email is in my profile, I can send you the changes I have done if you email me.

/end thread hijack


I'm running a 5 or 6 + 1 NPC group, so I'd love feedback on what your group did.

Scarab Sages

Hey Joey,

Can you email your new notes to lothar_wolf at hotmail dot com.

We finished the burnt offerings book and my players found it tough.


I just started RotR, converted to PFRPG, with a group of 6 and these notes have been very helpful. So far we've done the goblin raid, the glassworks, and now the group has started through the catacombs of wrath. The enhanced combats have been challenging, but not too lethal, which is about right for level 1-2 encounters (although the glassworks fight was a bit tough. 10 goblins, including 2 commandos, is a challenge when the party's main damage dealer (a shoanti barbarian in this case) fails to hit even a single goblin!) I would love to see the updated notes. If they're still available, can copies please be sent to me at mtbedwards (at) rogers.com, thanks.

It'll be interesting to see how challenging the higher level stuff is. Since we're using Pathfinder and nothing else my group doesn't have the crazy combo characters and broken powers found in 3.5 splat books. I may have to keep an eye on how things go. For the record my group consists of: a shoanti barbarian (who will soon be multiclassing into spell-less ranger), an elf rogue, a gnome druid, a chelaxian wizard, a chelaxian fighter (archery focus), and a chelaxian paladin of abadar. Nothing too fancy, just good basic characters.


Shad0wdrag0n wrote:

I just started RotR, converted to PFRPG, with a group of 6 and these notes have been very helpful. So far we've done the goblin raid, the glassworks, and now the group has started through the catacombs of wrath. The enhanced combats have been challenging, but not too lethal, which is about right for level 1-2 encounters (although the glassworks fight was a bit tough. 10 goblins, including 2 commandos, is a challenge when the party's main damage dealer (a shoanti barbarian in this case) fails to hit even a single goblin!) I would love to see the updated notes. If they're still available, can copies please be sent to me at mtbedwards (at) rogers.com, thanks.

It'll be interesting to see how challenging the higher level stuff is. Since we're using Pathfinder and nothing else my group doesn't have the crazy combo characters and broken powers found in 3.5 splat books. I may have to keep an eye on how things go. For the record my group consists of: a shoanti barbarian (who will soon be multiclassing into spell-less ranger), an elf rogue, a gnome druid, a chelaxian wizard, a chelaxian fighter (archery focus), and a chelaxian paladin of abadar. Nothing too fancy, just good basic characters.

Our group has done well so far:

Kitt: Riddleport Halfelf Rogue/Fighter
Jakk Windwalker: Riddleport Halfelf Rogue/ Spellblade
Skillum Queeg: Human Riddleport (Ulfen)Paladin
Naslyn: Tiefling Sandpoint Cleric of Shelyn
Verios: Celwynvian Elf Divination Wizard
Estle: Human Hedge Witch (NPC from Into the Haunted Woods)

Using the slow XP progression.

So far, all of them except Naslyn (who missed 3 weeks) have reached second level and are about to go into the Glassworks (Verios, Kytt, and Estle were in ITHW, so they had some XP before starting BO)

They survived the initial assault on Sandpoint by the goblins (which I boosted a bit and added the goblin torturer who was supposed to be killed by the sherrif as a final "end boss" fight to cap off the assault), then got involved with several side plots (meeting Madame Mvashti, getting involved with the Vinder's daughter, gambling-using the gambling rules from Second Darkness, enjoying the festival) before encountering a giant crab on the beach, an attic whisperer, and then they followed a (supposed to be) red herring to Chopper's Isle (itself a major effort to climb to the top) where they fought a carrion swarm before decending into the basement, past the ruins of the old house into older caverns with a temple to Pazuzu (OK, I stole that idea from another thread) which eventually led them to the lair of the Sandpoint Devil (which nearly killed the party despite the fact that I dropped him down to a CR 6 monster). However, with good teamwork and some VERY lucky rolls (and a series of horrible misses and 2 fumbles by the SPD) they survived and then got involved with the goblin in the closet.

We;re taking a three week hiatus from ROTR however so that we can playtest the APG characters. (I'm letting each of them roll up a 6th level character from the APG so that we can run 1 scenario to see how the new classes work).


Hey Guys Glad everyone liked this stuff

Our game is still on a hiatis can someone figure out all the people who still havent gotten the email and put a list up for me to send them out


Joey,

I am starting a 6 player group in RoTRL can you email me the word docs you have? jlf474 at hotmail dot com


I'd still really like copies of the word docs, if they're still available mtbedwards (at) rogers.com

Scarab Sages

Joey Virtue wrote:

Hey Guys Glad everyone liked this stuff

Our game is still on a hiatis can someone figure out all the people who still havent gotten the email and put a list up for me to send them out

I need it... daleaw at hotmail dot com.


Can I get a copy of this? My other group I'm going to run this for is likely to be 6 characters

tbatethis at hotmail dot com

Thanks!

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Maps, Pathfinder Accessories, Rulebook Subscriber

I begin running a 6 player group through RotRL on Jan 20. COuld I get a copy of the doc please? My email is broc3978@comcast.net


Ok I'm starting getting curious... please send a copy to me too

francesco_berti2008 at libero dot it


Just sent out a bunch I think I got all caught up besides one persons whos email made no sense to me

I sent out ten or twelve so check your spam folders

This Email was wrong tbatethis@hotmail.com


Joey Virtue wrote:

Just sent out a bunch I think I got all caught up besides one persons whos email made no sense to me

I sent out ten or twelve so check your spam folders

This Email was wrong tbatethis@hotmail.com

Sorry, that was a typo on my part. Should be tbatethis at hotmail dot co dot uk


Sent

Liberty's Edge

Starting Burnt Offerings this Friday, and I would love your 6pc changes!

jstocks80 at yahoo dot com

Thanks JoeyV!

Dark Archive

Joey, this is pretty awesome. I happen to have a group of 6 that will be starting this in a month or two, and this will save me a ton of time! I'f love to get a copy of the Doc as well. My email is blind dot like dot mary at gmail dot com.

Thanks again to both you and all the other great idea contributors in this thread!


Sent


There are a number of encounters, like the giant hermit crab in PF #1, where the one big creature could be replaced by two or three weaker versions of the same creature. I think there are also a number of encounters where advanced versions of creatures could be replaced by a larger number of non-advanced versions of the same creature (so instead of adding another advanced mountain roper in PF #6 maybe it should be swapped out for 3 or 4 regular ropers). Is this a good idea when dealing with larger groups of players? Or should the one big/advanced monster be left in and maybe made a bit more powerful?


Well just my thoughts I rather have 1 big bad guy when dealing with lots of players its easier to keep track of it all. It helps the combats flow a lot easier when Im DMing and I still threaten the lives on the PCs


Joey,

can you send me the word document as well
thomashobday at hotmail dot com

thanks


Thank you for posting all your work here. I'm running RotRL for a group of 6 characters (Pathfinder conversion) and your notes were very helpful in augmenting the difficulty.

Would you be so kind as to email me the previously mentioned notes? Thanks so much!

CUTHULAS at HOTMAIL dot com

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Joey, Thanks for all the hard work. Am finally getting started on this AP with 6 PCs. Can you email me copies of you files as well? Thank you.

archangel23 at usa dot net


The last three I just sent you the notes


Wow this is awesome, would I be able to get a copy of that doc? Starting RotR in a month and would love to have a copy for reference. Thanks for sharing the work that you do.

draco139 @ gmail dot com


Hey Joey V, you mentioned gestalt characters in another thread. I like that idea seeing how I'm only gonna have 3 players. I also like these changes you made to this AP. I love challenges so I'm not a fan of toning an adventure down.
This is obviously a tough adventure (I would love to be a PC rather than run it cuz it looks totally fun!). So my question is would it be to much to use Joey V's changes for 3 gestalt characters? Or would it be way to powerful?

Any and all input would be greatly appreciated.


I think Gestalt would be ok but you might want to add 1 follower for the group

Liberty's Edge

Joey, could you please email me that document as well?

greycloak at shaw dot ca

TIA


Joey Virtue wrote:
I think Gestalt would be ok but you might want to add 1 follower for the group

You mean an NPC? Or a cohort? And would they also be a gestalt character?

Would you mind sending me those docs as well, if possible?

Javelldeleon at gmail dot com

Thanks!


The Last three I just sent you the notes

As for the extra character it all depends on what you are comfortable with at the table do you want to run another character or do you want the PCs to run one what I would suggest is what ever you end up giving them have them run it during combat there are alot of things to keep track of in alot of these combats


Appreciate the help, Thanks!


If you need any help just let me know on here or send me an email

Shadow Lodge

Joey Virtue wrote:
If you need any help just let me know on here or send me an email

Heh, I think you are the one who said he was local to me. Sorry to thread jack but there are no PMs we are setting up a PFS group in Stockton, can you email me 'mtbogre' at gmail. We'd love to have you or maybe you could pass on the word.

FWIW, been trolling this thread, nice stuff.


0gre wrote:
Joey Virtue wrote:
If you need any help just let me know on here or send me an email

Heh, I think you are the one who said he was local to me. Sorry to thread jack but there are no PMs we are setting up a PFS group in Stockton, can you email me 'mtbogre' at gmail. We'd love to have you or maybe you could pass on the word.

FWIW, been trolling this thread, nice stuff.

Emailed you back thanks for the complement

Scarab Sages

Sorry mate. I missed you email.

daleaw at hotmail dot com

The works please. :)


Joey Virtue wrote:
If you need any help just let me know on here or send me an email

Most definitely. Thanks again for the input and the notes.


Masika wrote:

Sorry mate. I missed you email.

daleaw at hotmail dot com

The works please. :)

Sent

Scarab Sages

Thanks mate.

My players struggled through the first book. They wanted to kill everything.

Almost finished the second book now. The additions will come in nice.


Hey Joey, so i'm lining up, too. It would be nice if you could send me those notes of yours, as i'm starting the campaign in mere two weeks. Try this 'new_vision(at)gmx dot net'. Appreciated!!! :D


new_vision wrote:
Hey Joey, so i'm lining up, too. It would be nice if you could send me those notes of yours, as i'm starting the campaign in mere two weeks. Try this 'new_vision(at)gmx dot net'. Appreciated!!! :D

Sent


Joey,

Another request here. Starting the Runelords for a group of 8 and would love to have this. josephmcroberts at hotmail dot com

Many Thanks!


Sathington Willoughby wrote:

Joey,

Another request here. Starting the Runelords for a group of 8 and would love to have this. josephmcroberts at hotmail dot com

Many Thanks!

Sent

The Exchange

This is great! I just started running a 6 PC group through this. Thanks.

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Help - it looks like my group of 4 has suddenly spiked to 6 for RotR. Could you send your notes to rinertw at yahoo dot com ?

Thanks - and have you ever thought of posting your docs at d20pfsrd.com

It's a great resource for conversions and it would save you some time emailing to individuals.

Thanks in advance.

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