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David Fryer wrote:It was actually when I had to start calculating the inverse of the cube root of the square of the quadraderal of pi.You were not playing Hero then. Maybe you got G.U.R.P.S. Vehicles confused with Hero.
I actually ran across a system for converting the mecha in Rifts to GURPS, and it was just about this complicated.

Emperor7 |

Emperor7 wrote:Yeah, I'm sure your wife will understand(LOL!).David Fryer wrote:On a more serious note, I wonder how much of the anti-American sentiment is actually based on differences we have and how much is based on a percieved U.S. hatred of their country? I have met many people here in the states that hate the French, or the Germans, or the Canadians because they think that they hate us. I wonder if the same is true in other countries and their feelings towards the United States?Certainly complex. Kinda like one of those self-fulfilling prophecies.
Well, I'm willing to do my part to reverse this. Pls send all of the good-looking Canadian, French, Dutch, and Swedish women to the US and I'll do my best to demonstrate my capacity for love. Of course I may need some Viagra. ;)
Next I'll have to convince the wife that my country needs me.
Any volunteers to handle the other countries, or the men?
Sometimes we have to put the country's need ahead of our own, and brush up on our foreign affairs.

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Emperor7 wrote:;p I'll have to remember that line. I was reading the autobiography of a Hitler Youth and he said that one of the lines that they used was "Can I help you perform your patriotic duty?"
Sometimes we have to put the country's need ahead of our own, and brush up on our foreign affairs.
"Time to go bless Tiki."

Emperor7 |

CourtFool wrote:I actually ran across a system for converting the mecha in Rifts to GURPS, and it was just about this complicated.David Fryer wrote:It was actually when I had to start calculating the inverse of the cube root of the square of the quadraderal of pi.You were not playing Hero then. Maybe you got G.U.R.P.S. Vehicles confused with Hero.
I heard from this guy who has a cousin that works for a survey firm that 11 out of 16 countries prefer Pathfinder, and that number is expected to rise if they send Nick Logue back to the States. Supposedly he's scaring them.

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CourtFool wrote:It will never last.I have always wondered about this cliche, from a philosophical perspective. If a thing has ever existed, isn't it too late to say it will "never" last?
No because to say that it won't last doesn't imply that it won't exist. It just says that some day it will not be around.

Mairkurion {tm} |

No because to say that it won't last doesn't imply that it won't exist. It just says that some day it will not be around.
But it has, in fact lasted from the day it started until this moment, at least, which makes "it will 'never' last" false...and if this saying did successfully state that "some day it will not be around," (which I am still unconvinced of), then that seems to me an equally vacuous saying. What doesn't fall into that category?

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David Fryer wrote:No because to say that it won't last doesn't imply that it won't exist. It just says that some day it will not be around.But it has, in fact lasted from the day it started until this moment, at least, which makes "it will 'never' last" false...and if this saying did successfully state that "some day it will not be around," (which I am still unconvinced of), then that seems to me an equally vacuous saying. What doesn't fall into that category?
Someday the sun will expand into a red giant and scorch all life from the earth. If we haven't left the solar system, Pathfinder, along with everything else we've invented, will be gone.
So yeah, it's accurate to say that it will 'not' last (if not that it will 'never' last, since it already has 'lasted' for a measurable period of time). Pathfinder is a fad.
So is Earth, so get it while it's hot!

Logos |
or more to set's point, while its not
why do canadians hate americans? first hate is a pretty strong word, but if you want to know why its becuase your like annoying and populous braggy cousins. Im sure americans will say it super power envy, but in truth you guys wont shut up about how great your stupid country is, and even when you do you do it in an annoying fashion. As well all of this, poor terrible canadians hating americans is another facet to the canadian hate, not to mention the whole canadian identity thing.
Oh yeah and Nafta
and all of this is not even mentioning what you guys do to our citizens, and to other countries around the world. Sure we shop in your malls because ITS CHEAPER (americans price differently than canadians and often have less far to ship things = less price in some cases), we visit because we have family down there, and we all pay painstaking attention to your elections because well they go on for so g**!*+n long you might as well get used to them (honestly like a dozen canadian federal elections could exist in the time it takes you to do one (electing PM vs Predisident repectively))
so that's the short of it, its not a big issue, you guys are annoying and dominate the popular culture the way a turd dominates the toilite bowl. What that makes canada and america i don't know.
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Hugo Solis |

Courtfool's
We Mexicanos "hate" gringos but I thinks its mostly due a sense of inferiority (of course not all of us hate all of north americans). Our culture has embraced so much US that many european friens had told me that our "aquisition and consuming habits" are pretty much like the US. Not in such big quantities thou.
So courtfool phrase: Haters must hate, pretty much sums it up. If you like-want to hate, you just pick something to hate and voila. And since the US are on the hotspot usually, that makes them an easy target.

CourtFool |

David Fryer wrote:No because to say that it won't last doesn't imply that it won't exist. It just says that some day it will not be around.But it has, in fact lasted from the day it started until this moment, at least, which makes "it will 'never' last" false...and if this saying did successfully state that "some day it will not be around," (which I am still unconvinced of), then that seems to me an equally vacuous saying. What doesn't fall into that category?
Fair enough. Allow me to rephrase, (removed for obvious trolling).
Put that in your flowerbed and grow it.

Emperor7 |

or more to set's point, while its not
why do canadians hate americans? first hate is a pretty strong word, but if you want to know why its becuase your like annoying and populous braggy cousins. Im sure americans will say it super power envy, but in truth you guys wont shut up about how great your stupid country is, and even when you do you do it in an annoying fashion. As well all of this, poor terrible canadians hating americans is another facet to the canadian hate, not to mention the whole canadian identity thing.
Oh yeah and Nafta
and all of this is not even mentioning what you guys do to our citizens, and to other countries around the world. Sure we shop in your malls because ITS CHEAPER (americans price differently than canadians and often have less far to ship things = less price in some cases), we visit because we have family down there, and we all pay painstaking attention to your elections because well they go on for so g%+&n long you might as well get used to them (honestly like a dozen canadian federal elections could exist in the time it takes you to do one (electing PM vs Predisident repectively))
so that's the short of it, its not a big issue, you guys are annoying and dominate the popular culture the way a turd dominates the toilite bowl. What that makes canada and america i don't know.
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Shadowborn |

Philippine-American relations would be better if you guys returned these bells.
Oh, those. Bush had them melted down to make a bunch of those old-timey door knockers for the White House. That way the material can't be stolen and used by Al-Queda. We're just looking out for the world's best interests. Ya'll just sit back and relax and eat those dead chicks in an egg you seem to like so much.

Emperor7 |

Little Timmy wrote:(Pats CourtFool on the head.) "Good doggie."Shouldn't you be falling in a well or something?
They never told you that Lassie pushed Timmy down the well, but he was saved by a poodle. Lassie scared off the poodle before the media got there, shoved Timmy back down the well, and stole the glory.
This can be verified at poodleconspiracytheories.com ;)

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There are very few beers (American or other) that I won't drink at least once. Except Coors - something just isn't right with that stuff.
I agree! Maybe that is why other nations hate us? Because they've tried Coors and decided that we are trying to poison the world? I ONCE drank Coors Light...ONCE. It makes melamine sound tasty!

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I think
So for the last eight years that has been
Bush and co's foreign policy,
Bush and co's Environmental policy,
and Bush and co's economic policy.
On top of that... coca-cola, gap, nike, mcdonalds, texaco, marlboro - these companies polluted our sense of America. Ben and Jerrys never wrapped themselves in your flag, but Pepsi did.
It's the same with music; cool American bands that get a lot of respect like The White Stripes don't wrap themselves in the stars and stripes when they reach these shores but cringe-makingly cheesy popstars do.
So in our daily lives all of the positive vibes we have about America are abused and sullied by marketeers, and then when we lift our heads up a bit and think about the bigger picture we see... George Walker Bush.
But despite all of that the US is still incredibly popular in the UK, maybe not as overwhelmingly flavour of the month as it was in the 1980s, but very popular still.
the British view on North American beer can still be best summed-up by the old Monty Python sketch.
"American beer is like making love in a canoe."
"What do you mean?"
"It's f@*~ing close to water."

Mairkurion {tm} |

I think ** spoiler omitted **
the British view on North American beer can still be best summed-up by the old Monty Python sketch.
"American beer is like making love in a canoe."
"What do you mean?"
"It's f**#ing close to water."
Hey there, limey, there's some delicious American water, and it shouldn't be insulted by comparison. : )
Seriously, love the UK, love British beer. Please tell all your people not to judge all Americans (or, more importantly, Texans) by Bush. Then send them all to the Texas Embassy in London for margaritas.

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Canada tends more toward the more european model of government of beliefs. For example there was a lot of massive ridicule when the term "axis of evil" was coined. Canadians mostly by and large believe God has no place in politics, and to term something as "evil" was really infantile and immature. We as a whole believe that healthcare is a right not a privilege, we believe moral laws have no place in government hence why we have gay marriage. Have basically 3 left aligned parties and only one right aligned party in our political system. Thats why anti-americanism is so strong. Especially with war issues canadians believe war is a LAST resort not a reason to boost an economy, many other things along those lines.

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GeraintElberion wrote:I think ** spoiler omitted **
the British view on North American beer can still be best summed-up by the old Monty Python sketch.
"American beer is like making love in a canoe."
"What do you mean?"
"It's f**#ing close to water."
Hey there, limey, there's some delicious American water, and it shouldn't be insulted by comparison. : )
Seriously, love the UK, love British beer. Please tell all your people not to judge all Americans (or, more importantly, Texans) by Bush. Then send them all to the Texas Embassy in London for margaritas.
strangely, and maybe this is only me, but i find i get a warmer reception overseas when i mention i'm from texas...
and we make some darned good beer here (st. arnolds is pretty rocking, imo...)

Boone |

The reason the rest of the world hates us is because the media tells us they do.(And no, I'm not picking on the media.)
I saw an interview with an American cameraman who was in Iran covering an Anti-American gathering. He said that at one point, the crowd was starting to get exceptionally vocal, and he and his companions were starting to get nervous. One of the Iranians near their van saw that they were starting to get spooked, and motioned for him to get closer. The Iranian told him that they didn't hate the American people, just the policies of our government.
I think in most cases, that is what other countries are referring to when the word "hate" is used.
OK, I'll do the tally now. Yep, that equals out to about 2 cents worth.

Mairkurion {tm} |

No worries here, CourtFool. Don't get drunk, don't like it. I did, however, once have a dog named Zeke who loved drinking beer...and eating almost anything: cabbages, watermelon rinds...
And yep, we've got some decent beers here, houstonderek. (Does that effect our reception abroad?) Unfortunately, we lost our best one some years ago (Celis).

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No worries here, CourtFool. Don't get drunk, don't like it. I did, however, once have a dog named Zeke who loved drinking beer...and eating almost anything: cabbages, watermelon rinds...
And yep, we've got some decent beers here, houstonderek. (Does that effect our reception abroad?) Unfortunately, we lost our best one some years ago (Celis).
yeah, i was partial to celis white. austin boys did something right for a change. well, tito's vodka ain't too bad either, i reckon...
as far as our rep abroad, i know that a lot of people come to houston and go home telling everyone how friendly we are (i've had much contact with europeans in my last two jobs, and they all gushed about how friendly texans were compared to other americans...), so that may be why i've always had a relatively warm reception overseas...

Mairkurion {tm} |

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:No worries here, CourtFool. Don't get drunk, don't like it. I did, however, once have a dog named Zeke who loved drinking beer...and eating almost anything: cabbages, watermelon rinds...
And yep, we've got some decent beers here, houstonderek. (Does that effect our reception abroad?) Unfortunately, we lost our best one some years ago (Celis).
yeah, i was partial to celis white. austin boys did something right for a change. well, tito's vodka ain't too bad either, i reckon...
as far as our rep abroad, i know that a lot of people come to houston and go home telling everyone how friendly we are (i've had much contact with europeans in my last two jobs, and they all gushed about how friendly texans were compared to other americans...), so that may be why i've always had a relatively warm reception overseas...
My xp, for what its worth:
People come to Dallas, and they say the weather is worse in Houston. People come to Houston, they say drivers are worse in Dallas. People come to Texas, they say things like "Everybody is so nice here." and "This is the real America." (I kid you not: folks from VA, Mass, and NY.) I got mixed receptions in London. In Greece, when people found out I was from Dallas, they assumed that if I was not a member of the Ewing family, I at least lived near SouthFork and knew them, and probably dated a Cowboys cheerleader. So, for whatever our flaws, yeah, we're King of the Hill.(Braces for flames...LATTWG)
EDIT: Having a Shiner Black.

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houstonderek wrote:Mairkurion {tm} wrote:No worries here, CourtFool. Don't get drunk, don't like it. I did, however, once have a dog named Zeke who loved drinking beer...and eating almost anything: cabbages, watermelon rinds...
And yep, we've got some decent beers here, houstonderek. (Does that effect our reception abroad?) Unfortunately, we lost our best one some years ago (Celis).
yeah, i was partial to celis white. austin boys did something right for a change. well, tito's vodka ain't too bad either, i reckon...
as far as our rep abroad, i know that a lot of people come to houston and go home telling everyone how friendly we are (i've had much contact with europeans in my last two jobs, and they all gushed about how friendly texans were compared to other americans...), so that may be why i've always had a relatively warm reception overseas...
My xp, for what its worth:
People come to Dallas, and they say the weather is worse in Houston. People come to Houston, they say drivers are worse in Dallas. People come to Texas, they say things like "Everybody is so nice here." and "This is the real America." (I kid you not: folks from VA, Mass, and NY.) I got mixed receptions in London. In Greece, when people found out I was from Dallas, they assumed that if I was not a member of the Ewing family, I at least lived near SouthFork and knew them, and probably dated a Cowboys cheerleader. So, for whatever our flaws, yeah, we're King of the Hill.
(Braces for flames...LATTWG)EDIT: Having a Shiner Black.
1) the weather IS worse here.
2) the drivers ARE worse there (especially on 75, i still have nightmares of driving on the central expressway...)
3) what? you DON'T know J.R.????
4) shiner black rocks :) (but i have a fridge full of bock atm...)
5) LATTWG??? what in tarnation is that?

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5) LATTWG??? what in tarnation is that?
I was just preparing myself for anti-texan flaming blacklash. (Like a true Texan, with grit.) Somehow, having it there in code made me feel prepared. Maybe it will squeak by unnoticed.
And true on all counts!
ah, "code" (i assume you mean some programming stuff, i'm more of an "art geek", to be honest, barely know how to turn this funny "computer" thingy on...)
and true, if nothing else, texans have grit :)

Dramatis Personae |
On a more serious note, I wonder how much of the anti-American sentiment is actually based on differences we have and how much is based on a percieved U.S. hatred of their country? I have met many people here in the states that hate the French, or the Germans, or the Canadians because they think that they hate us. I wonder if the same is true in other countries and their feelings towards the United States?
The fact that people like having someone to hate would seem to be the fundamental mechanic behind all this.
I mean, look at the whole 4E debate...

Mairkurion {tm} |

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:5) LATTWG??? what in tarnation is that?I was just preparing myself for anti-texan flaming blacklash. (Like a true Texan, with grit.) Somehow, having it there in code made me feel prepared. Maybe it will squeak by unnoticed.
And true on all counts!
ah, "code" (i assume you mean some programming stuff, i'm more of an "art geek", to be honest, barely know how to turn this funny "computer" thingy on...)
and true, if nothing else, texans have grit :)
I mean acronym code. I am a technotard by today's standards.

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I mean acronym code. I am a technotard by today's standards.houstonderek wrote:Mairkurion {tm} wrote:5) LATTWG??? what in tarnation is that?I was just preparing myself for anti-texan flaming blacklash. (Like a true Texan, with grit.) Somehow, having it there in code made me feel prepared. Maybe it will squeak by unnoticed.
And true on all counts!
ah, "code" (i assume you mean some programming stuff, i'm more of an "art geek", to be honest, barely know how to turn this funny "computer" thingy on...)
and true, if nothing else, texans have grit :)
oh, i'll bite, i tried to google it, but i couldn't find it. what does LATTWG mean? :)

Taliesin Hoyle |

I am English-South African, living in Asia.
Americans are well liked here in Taiwan. I often get asked if I can please have more of an American accent. Most Taiwanese kids are influenced most heavily by three cultures: Japan. Korea. NBA, in pretty even quantities. The only countries I hear students say they want to go to, are: America (For Disney), Australia (To study) and Japan (The food there have very delicious).
Canadians are more plentiful here than Americans. My Canadian buddies mostly are the people here who dislike Americans.
Someone upthread mentioned getting Asian women to like Americans. There is no need. The joke goes that they hand out Chinese girlfriends at customs. I was single for a while here. I got a lot of attention from single Chinese women, and girls. They did not particularly care who I was. I have blue eyes, and I don't treat women badly. I had to refuse offers of dates, and I was flat out asked by three Chinese co-workers if I wanted to have them as girlfriends. I said no, because it was my race, not necessarily myself, that was attractive to them. I also dont like cutesy giggly girly princesses. I like strong women. When I was younger, I would have been naughtier, but I want more meaning in my relationships now.
Now I have found a good woman here, A woman who is smart, and independant, and funny, and who has a heart of gold.

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:I mean acronym code. I am a technotard by today's standards.houstonderek wrote:Mairkurion {tm} wrote:5) LATTWG??? what in tarnation is that?I was just preparing myself for anti-texan flaming blacklash. (Like a true Texan, with grit.) Somehow, having it there in code made me feel prepared. Maybe it will squeak by unnoticed.
And true on all counts!
ah, "code" (i assume you mean some programming stuff, i'm more of an "art geek", to be honest, barely know how to turn this funny "computer" thingy on...)
and true, if nothing else, texans have grit :)
oh, i'll bite, i tried to google it, but i couldn't find it. what does LATTWG mean? :)
(Like a true Texan, with grit.)

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Emperor7 wrote:But you didn't ask what I would call it. The reason I would not call it beer is because comparing such sweet nector of the gods to mear earthly beer is like comparing Pathfinder to Hero System ;pDavid Fryer wrote:Don't be a hater! That's what got us into this mess in the 1st place.Emperor7 wrote:I wouldn't call Molsen Ice beer.Set wrote:Well, if we interfere with anyone's ability to make beer then we deserve the world's hatred. And a bit of self-loathing.
Plus we got this whole global warming thing going on. Soon, you won't be able to play hockey *or* make Molsen Ice. You're doomed!
So what you are saying is that Molsen Ice is to beer as theHero System is to Gaming?

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CourtFool wrote:I actually ran across a system for converting the mecha in Rifts to GURPS, and it was just about this complicated.David Fryer wrote:It was actually when I had to start calculating the inverse of the cube root of the square of the quadraderal of pi.You were not playing Hero then. Maybe you got G.U.R.P.S. Vehicles confused with Hero.
It could be worse did you ever see the old conversions for Marvel Supers to Hero system?

Kirwyn |

Hmmm.
I have been to Canada a couple of times. Vancouver, Victoria and Calgary, and Banff. Each time I met really cool people, ate good food and saw absolutly stunning scenery. The girls and the outdoors. I got no beef with Canada, I think it is freeking cool.
This is from an eleventh generation Texan.

Stebehil |

I think this hate has a lot to do with attitude. Most of the time the U.S. choose to become involved into anything outside the U.S. itself, it was from a position of either military or economic strengh, which is of course ok. But the Americans are seen to rub this fact under everyones noses with a nearly condescending attitude, and seem to see themselves as helping everybody else to "see the light" and being in possession of the "one true way" to enlightenment, even where the American culture may not be the appropriate answer to the local problems. Labeling oneself as "God´s own country" does not help in that regard, as this might be seen as arrogant. (While I´m at it, the growing influence of religious sentiments in the US politics is seen sceptically in Europes secular countries, as mixing politics with religion is seen as being fertile soil for extremism.)
A prime example is Rumsfelds word of "the old Europe" when France and Germany dared to differ from the US point of view regarding the Gulf War (I don´t want to discuss that war here, I just want to point out where this hate comes from). This was taken as condescending by folks in France and Germany, and led to strong Anti-American sentiments in both countries, which in turn led to the ridiculous attempt to rename french fries into freedom fries. (As an aside, Rumsfeld was no more welcome with his German relatives after that.)
I personally do not hate America (my brother-in-laws girlfriend is from the US, actually). The politics do not sit well with me, but I hope that this changes next year.
Stefan