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Hey, I'm just posting here so I don't get fined.
The above post is the post of the week.
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* By-position analysis shows that the Patriots quarterbacks don't fumble very much,
I think it's called the tuck rule. ;)
In '76 the Raiders won the AFC Championship on the a bogus roughing the passer penalty. Against the Patriots. They later won the Super Bowl that year.
And look at them now.
It was a pretty high percentage pass. But man, Marshawn Lynch was pretty close to unstoppable in the second half. Why, why, why, would you not give it to him?
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That was painful to watch.
Worse, they had THREE tries to get it in the end zone. AND a time out to stop the clock. The pass should have been a third or fourth down option only depending on time on the clock.
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As I recall, that actually was 3rd down. Even still. You've got the ball on, what?, the one yard line. You've got a running back who just showed he can ram it through on the previous play. You've got an incredibly fast QB who can sweep to the outside if need be. You run the damn ball.
IF you feel the need to pass, wait until 4th down.
In the end, I could give two s&*%s who won. But that call just seemed...insulting...to any real football fan.
That was second down bro....which makes it so much worse. However, I'm not piling on anyone after the game. You get paid to make those calls and sometimes you make them and you are the hero...sometimes not so much. Brandon Browner made that play happen though, he jammed Kearse at the line which interfered with the pick play.
Tom Brady GOAT for sure now...
I'm going to have to hear patriots fans bleat for months now...
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That was second down bro....which makes it so much worse. However, I'm not piling on anyone after the game. You get paid to make those calls and sometimes you make them and you are the hero...sometimes not so much. Brandon Browner made that play happen though, he jammed Kearse at the line which interfered with the pick play.
Tom Brady GOAT for sure now...
Yeah, I went back and checked. Not sure why I had 3rd down in my brain.
And that makes the play call even more idiotic.
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I'm going to have to hear patriots fans bleat for months now...
Them's the breaks. Besides, they played a damn good game. Both teams did.
Edit: Besides, if you ever get tired of their crap, you can always bring up one of those cheating controversies and watch them splutter like a little school girl who just had a frog put down her dress.
Nice find Zombie, I've always pictured Belichick as a closet libertarian.
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While my time is extremely limited, I would *LOVE* to see someone do a research compendium of coaches who've "outsmarted themselves" by avoiding "the obvious play", along with a track record of wins and losses.
I'm not talking about things like Belichick's infamous "go for it on 4th down in your own territory" call, because if he hadn't done that, the loss was essentially guaranteed, so questioning him was unreasonable. I hate conservative play-calling that makes no sense. "Duh. The book says to punt and hope for a turnover. Duh..."
I'm talking about calls like Carroll's. Lynch was being a beast. He had just run for 4 yards to get it to the goal line. It was obvious to everyone in the stadium that Lynch was going to get it again. Back in the 1980's everyone had a fullback or fullback clone and you'd just get in the I formation and drive it in. (Tom Rathman on the 49ers, William "Refrigerator" Perry on the Bears, and I'm sure many more others can call out).
So the call for a passing play wasn't a "desperation move". It wasn't a, "We don't have time left so we have to try to trick them" maneuver. It wasn't a "our running game isn't working" maneuver.
It was a conscious decision to move AWAY from something that had been working all game (Lynch), and towards something that had been iffy all night (Wilson). So why do it?
Well, sometimes coaches have "brain farts".
I'm just wondering how common it is, and how often it works, and I just don't have time to go through all the "iffy" calls over the years to see what I find.
*SIGH*.
Nobody, I call that type of playcalling the "Saints" syndrome. When your playcalling is just because its "not" was was expected. IE going for it on 4th and 2...with a fake punt. Coaches try to outthink their opponents too much, and Sean Peyton is honestly guilty of doing that waaaay too much.
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LOL. Now I *really* feel for Saints fans!
Every time I see a coach do something bone-headed "because the other guy won't be expecting it", I wince.
Ah, well, at least now my kids will have a peaceful summer with their cousins.
So needless to say, in this environment, they've turned into little monsters. Last year they got up in my sons' faces (there is really no better term for it). "Who's your favorite team?"
"We don't watch sports."
"You're just saying that because you're from San Francisco, so you're a 49ers fan, and you lost, so you suck!"
"What? Who are the 49ers?"
"Your team sucks! You suck! You should be embarrassed! Seahawks rule!"
"C'mon, Impus Minor. Our cousins are obviously retarded. Let's go do something else."
"LOOOOOOOOOOSERS!!!!!!"
Kind of makes me hate on all avid fans...
The local sports talk guys around here call it "being cute". The conversation usually goes something like "Hey did you see Peyton "being cute" on that 4th and short?" or "The Saints were really "being cute" when they stopped running the ball in the third quarter."
@Nobody'sHome Being a sports fan doesn't exempt you from basic human decency, which unfortunately happens sometimes. Although, I still think that we don't have near the problem with crazy fans the way "Football" (Soccer) programs do in Europe.
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The local sports talk guys around here call it "being cute". The conversation usually goes something like "Hey did you see Peyton "being cute" on that 4th and short?" or "The Saints were really "being cute" when they stopped running the ball in the third quarter."
@Nobody'sHome Being a sports fan doesn't exempt you from basic human decency, which unfortunately happens sometimes. Although, I still think that we don't have near the problem with crazy fans the way "Football" (Soccer) programs do in Europe.
When my nephews tip over my kids' Lego bins and set them on fire, THEN I'll know we're looking at soccer fans...
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I have to say this win makes me very happy. It was a great game and obviously makes it all the better that the patriots won it.
NobodysHome I can completely understand how that experience with avid fans would make you turned off to such things.
It was a great season and one I will remember for a while. Sort of helps me forget the losses in 07' and 11' which were especially painful.
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08 was beautiful....an excellent example of hubris bringing one low.
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NobodysHome I can completely understand how that experience with avid fans would make you turned off to such things.
LOL. Well, let's just say Impus Major has a wicked clever streak a mile wide (where could he have EVER gotten that!?!?!), and after that incident I removed the reins.
For some reason my brother now keeps his kids far, FAR away from mine. It might have had something to do with his kids suddenly learning the "decapitation song", but who knows?
EDIT: And no, of COURSE I don't remember the words. Impus Major has a new "earworm" song every week or two. This week's is horrific. "Oh, you take a potato and you put it in your mouth and you get another po-ta-to...then you take that potato and you put it in your mouth and you get another po-ta-to..."
He's got half his friggin' school singing it. Teachers are displeased.
Kind of an embarrassing finish with the fight, but the game itself was awesome. Great Ending.
The call was only dumb because of the outcome. Look at all of the factors.
-down by 4
-30 seconds left on the clock
-Pats have 2 time outs
-their quarterback is Tom Brady
-it's 2nd down
-Seahawks have 1 timeout
An interesting statistic: there were roughly 150 passes thrown from the 2 yard line or less this year in the NFL, with 0 interceptions. Interceptions in a situation like that are actually really rare. Also 60% of passing plays from that yardage result in touchdowns.
Lynch runs on 2nd down but gets stuffed (unlikely hypothetical). This requires the Seahawks take a timeout AND means if they try another rush (3rd down) that will be the last play of regulation, touchdown or not.
Instead lets assume that the pass play results in an incompletion instead of an interception (roughly 40% chance). The clock is stopped and you've used about 4-5 seconds of time. Now you have time for 2 plays, PLUS you can use a timeout to stop the clock if necessary. This means you are free to run or pass. 3rd and 4th down the Patriots have to play both pass and rush, preventing them from selling out on defending either.
I agree, it is unlikely that the Pats would have stopped Lynch on 2nd down. In the unlikely event that it did happen, the pass play was the more strategic approach, it just happened that a rookie player who's 5th on the depth chart at his position made an extremely lucky play and ended the game.
If Brady got the ball back with 25 seconds and 2 timeouts, it would have been improbably that he scored, but not impossible.
I don't think the decision is necessary defensible (particularly in hindsight), but there was a thought process that led to that pass play being called that could be considered reasonable.
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The problem with the call was that you can pretty much commit to the run and if it's a pass you just get a pass interference penalty. Time would still be wasted and you only lose a few inches. The offense on the other hand can get numorous penalties that will put them back or in this case lose the ball.
Worst play call I've seen in all my years. To be that close on 2nd down with several time outs to burn and not feed Beast Mode is inexcusable.
I've ben saying this all season long that the way to beat the hawks is to attack the gap between the defensive line and the secondary. I've never seen anyone do it in any sustained manner. It was a masterful performance. Hats off to the Patriots, they are an amazing team and Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback to ever play the game.
Despite the ending not being what I hoped it was the most entertaining Superbowl I've had the pleasure of watching.
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08 was beautiful....an excellent example of hubris bringing one low.I suppose that is one way of looking at it. Being a Patriots fan though my view is a little different than yours.
considering I am a new yorker, it is quite different indeed.
You have no idea what it's like to have your team be considered a speed bump on the way to a perfect season. The novel outlining the Patriots road to greatness had *already been written* and was preordered in droves, and shirts declaring the Patriots super bowl champions were already printed up- some people were wearing them to the game, if rumors hold up. There were even people who were saying the Giants should throw the game either out of sportsmanship or to avoid embarrassment, pick one. No one thought the Giants would win.
Never been prouder of the G-Men a day in my life.
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Well I certainly did not consider the G_Men a speed bump especially after knowing what sort of game they played. And at least in New England I don't think they took the game for granted. I think we wanted them to win and hope and expected wanted a victory the way any fan expects their team to win and their players to expect they will win.
The expectation was they would win much like everyone expected the Rams to beat the patriots in 2001. I can certainly appreciate your pride in their win. But I don't think most logical people thought it was a forego conclusion that the patriots would win.
As far as shirts being made up ... I think that happens at every Super Bowl to make certain Tee Shirts are available for the winning team.
I wanted to shut up those arrogant Dolphins players from 72' who still have that arrogant nature to them in holding the only undefeated season. I hate those Dolphins with a passion. Every year getting together and celebrating the loss of a team so they can hold the record.
The Giants played a great game and the David Tyrell catch and Eli Manning escaping from Jarvis green and Richard Seymour still haunts my nightmares until this game but those things to rest.
2007 was a tough year in that the Patriots fought hard and were overwhelmed by the magnitude of the event and trying to be the only team to go undefeated since the 72' Dolphins and they came up short especially after being called cheaters and the whole football world hating them. Amazing how they went from the lovable underdogs to the juggernaut in just a few years.
Anyways I saw 2007 as a chance to redeem themselves which they were unable to do until this year and cement themselves as a great coach and team once again.
But I can certainly appreciate your view on things as well Freehold.
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I wanted to shut up those arrogant Dolphins players from 72' who still have that arrogant nature to them in holding the only undefeated season. I hate those Dolphins with a passion. Every year getting together and celebrating the loss of a team so they can hold the record.
Little known fact, in 1946, Chuck Norris impregnated the Benedictine Convent of Saint John in Mustair. The progeny of this event later became known as the '72 Dolphins.
Although, I still think that we don't have near the problem with crazy fans the way "Football" (Soccer) programs do in Europe.Ever been to ANY sporting event in Philly? They can make even the most sociopathic soccer hooligan blush.
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Although, I still think that we don't have near the problem with crazy fans the way "Football" (Soccer) programs do in Europe.Ever been to ANY sporting event in Philly? They can make even the most sociopathic soccer hooligan blush.
I can certainly testify to the truth of this. But that was during those dark days of my life, when I was a bit crazier. Luckily, I came to my senses and got out of that particular northeast cesspool.
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Although, I still think that we don't have near the problem with crazy fans the way "Football" (Soccer) programs do in Europe.Ever been to ANY sporting event in Philly? They can make even the most sociopathic soccer hooligan blush.Do they make banners celebrating the desire to decapitate players who left their club and end up with local rivals? Standard Liege - Anderlecht derby, January 2015.
Do they throw flares onto the pitch or into stadium sections of opposing fans? Multiple instances.
Do they break into minivans so they can smash a 10-year-old in the face with a bottle? Before the Glasgow derby, February 2015.
Do they go on the field and punch players from the opposing team? Tel Aviv derby, Maccabi vs Hapoel, player who scored was attacked by a fan who ran on the field, November 2014. Derby vs Nottingham Forest, January 2015.
Have they ever killed an opposing player? Argentina's third division, where a player was killed after a stone thrown by the crowd hit his head. December 2014.
Gotta go some to match those football hooligans.
there's lots of reasons to hate the NFL, but their usually insipid ties to law enforcement are pretty handy at times.
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Well, I know I'm risking a thread lock here, but the report is out, and it's worse than I could have imagined:
"The report includes text messages between McNally and Jastremski — sent in October and January — that imply Brady was requesting footballs deflated below 12.5 pounds per square inch. They described requests from McNally for shoes and signed footballs from Brady in exchange for deflating the balls."
So they have proof that the equipment manager was intentionally doing it after the referee had inspected the balls, and they have strong implications that it was at Brady's request, and that Brady was providing signed equipment in exchange for the deed.
So, I'm going to do it, because I find it hilarious.
OK, Brady/Patriots apologists, exactly how does, "I will pay you to violate the rules for me," not tarnish Brady's legacy one bit?
(I don't care whether or not it had an impact on any games. It's the whole, "I am going to PAY you to BREAK THE RULES for me" that has me going...)
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I stand by everything said in this post.
I agree with almost the entirety of that post as well.
But where you get annoyed at the righteous indignation of those who say, "Cheaters should be punished! Brady should lose all his records!" (and I agree that's ludicrous over-the-topness), I get annoyed at the constant excuses and "everybody does it"-ness that says that it should merit no punishment at all. The only place we seem to differ is in whether or not a rules violation that does not impact the game merits any punishment, but I may be misreading you. I'll point out that in both basketball and football, things as silly as wearing the wrong colors or brands can merit tens of thousands in fines, and those certainly don't impact the game in any way.
I think we're both in the middle camp -- now that there's proof, a punishment should be meted out, but it should be commensurate with the crime. The equipment manager, I'm afraid, should lose his job. But Brady? Probably sitting out a game or two is appropriate.
If I've misstated your position, I apologize in advance.
I agree, a 2 game suspension would be appropriate. That would be the same as a first punishment for PED usage, which is what I would compare this issue to. Lowered PSI on the ball has probably the same effect on the game (or less) than people taking performance-enhancing drugs.
On a semi-related note, I watched the "I Hate Christian Laettner" 30 for 30 doc, it was good. A lot of people have a similar hatred (though clearly not as many or as deeply) for Tom Brady.
I will laugh if Goodell tries to appease public outcry with a harsher sentence to "make an example of him" and it later gets overturned.
Yeah nail him to the f##@ing wall!! We's was robbed of our Super bowl victory!! I don't know why the let Pete Carroll call that play!!
Wait, we're talking about Magnum P.I. aren't we
The NFL has suspended Super Bowl MVP Tom Brady without pay for the first four games of the season, fined the New England Patriots $1 million and taken away two draft picks as punishment
Oooff, that is brutal.
The NFL has suspended Super Bowl MVP Tom Brady without pay for the first four games of the season, fined the New England Patriots $1 million and taken away two draft picks as punishmentOooff, that is brutal.
It was a dumb decision by Goodell. As many columnists have pointed out, it's far in excess of similar violations (PEDs being the foremost) and the evidence isn't solid enough to merit it.
So Brady will appeal and the whole thing's going to get tossed.
I still like the 2-game suspension, $500k fine, but that's now off the table, as the Pats have a very solid claim of bias against them. I'll be surprised if this wraps up with any suspension at all now.