I'm just looking into getting into warhamer, and while my group of players haven't officially decided what we want to do, were going to set up and do various scenerios... ideally. Anyway it's looking like fantasy right now. I'm looking at what army to go for. An important thing is to it is that I'm going on theme and look as I don't know the rules and I'd rather paint cool looking minis as opposed to just the strongest. I'm seriously leaning towards dark elves, and am contemplating starting with the battallion box and a complement of a few tougher singles and maybe a blister of witch elves. Any thoughts from any fantasy players?
I play Dark Elves. They are probably the most enjoyable army I have ever painted. Very characterful. I keep them displayed in my china cabinet. As much as I hate playing against them. Bretonnia is a beautiful army as well. They look stunning on the battlefield. If you like Monsters, and exotic units pick the dark elves. If you like painting heraldry bretonnia.
As far as models I really enjoyed painting. Converting the High Elf Dragon into a Dark Elf one was alot of fun. Corsairs, Cold One Knights, and the Sorceress models have great detail. The Hydra is an impressive model, but it is very heavy. Hope that helps.
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Cool, I was hoping the choice was good and flavorfully I dig the dark elves from Warhammer online that I tried out. Thanks.
What fantasy armies have army books for the latest version?
Recent releases. Warriors of Chaos, High Elves, Dark Elves, Vampire Counts, Daemons of Chaos, Empire, Lizardmen.
Skaven will be out later this year. I think Aug.
Beasts of Chaos, Tomb Kings, and Ogre Kingdoms are rumored to be released late 09 or sometime in 2010.
Nothing on the radar for Orks and Goblins, Wood Elves, Dwarves, or Bretonnia.
Rumors for late 2010, and 2011. Return of the Chaos Dwarves, and release of a new unheard of army. Rumors very vague on that one other than it will be good guys, and will be released with a GW world wide event dealing with the warpgates.
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Once again the shiny metal ( and dull grey plasitc ;) )bits win out against my wallet!
I think that before the summer is out i will end up with a pile of lizardmen boxes, but knowing a whole lot of nothing about Warhammer Fantasy stuff and not having any books, I though I would ask you fine people where and how I should start my army and what your thoughts on Lizarmen are.
I think that before the summer is out i will end up with a pile of lizardmen boxes, but knowing a whole lot of nothing about Warhammer Fantasy stuff and not having any books, I though I would ask you fine people where and how I should start my army and what your thoughts on Lizarmen are.
First off I would get the army book. It will give you the special rules for your armies units, paint scheme's, and a good view of most of the miniatures that are available to you. It will give you the best feel for the army. I would also pick up a copy of the main rulebook, or the one that comes out of the Battle for Blackfire Pass boxed set. It has all the rules for the game in it. The one in the Blackfire boxed set you can usually find online without having to buy the box for considerably cheaper than purchasing the main hardback rulebook.
No matter which army is your choice pick up a battalon box. Its give you the most mini's for your army per dollar. Go to the GW site and download the free pdf of the Warband rules. Start playing games from there. They are games 500pts and under. That way you can start playing right away. It will give you time to build your collection, and learn the rules. I try to build my army up in blocks of 500pt or 1000pts at a time. That way it keeps everything manageable.
As for Lizardmen and Chaos, its really up to you. They are both tough armies made to take a pounding. What it really comes down to is do you want to play good guys or bad guys? Or do you like dinosaurs over warp spawned creatures. Both are strong hand to hand armies. Both have powerful magic. Both are fun to paint, and model. It just comes down to personal taste.
And, though there are really no good guys in Warhammer; the lizards are about as Good a good guys as you get; and they have the strongest mage of that Toad guy on the palaquin; really tuff in hth also; lord croak or whatever that suckers name was. yep; double tuff.
so many peeps play chaos; like me; hehe; that it is rare to see lizard armies; least around here so I think they are more unique and snazzy to see on the field.
And, though there are really no good guys in Warhammer; the lizards are about as Good a good guys as you get
There are lots of good guys in Warhammer. Just they all have issues. High Elves are arrogant. Wood Elves are xenophobic, Dwarves are prideful. What is missing from Warhammer is the Archtype of Good. There are alot of Archtypes for evil, Chaos, Dark Elves, Undead. There are alot of good races, but not one that represents "True Good".
Sounds like you had a good time. So who came is 2nd and 3rd?
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1) Wood elves
2) Vampire Counts
3) Orcs? not sure.
But our club only had one player involved, with an Ogre army and he was thrashed twice. He gave up in one game after he had only had one turn. His characters had fled the table in his opponents turn 2.
We plan to take his club t-shirt off him tonight for dishonouring us so badly.
And next year the plan is for more people to participate and do better.
Cheers
1) Wood elves
2) Vampire Counts
3) Orcs? not sure.But our club only had one player involved, with an Ogre army and he was thrashed twice. He gave up in one game after he had only had one turn. His characters had fled the table in his opponents turn 2.
We plan to take his club t-shirt off him tonight for dishonouring us so badly.
And next year the plan is for more people to participate and do better.
Cheers
Real shame about the Ogre player. He should have been a better sport about it.
Surprised the Orks made 3rd. They have been in need of an update for quite awhile.
we have a rule that if you wipe somebody bad or they loose horribly or just have an all around sucky day of rolling and bad luck; the winner has to buy them a ice cream or some such like that <since I am allergic to ice cream> just so show good sportmanship and that we appreciated the guy playing.
<talk about nice fluff for the game> Lol; I wouldnt eat em hehe
Updating the release dates for Warhammer/40k Armies for everyone. Planet Strike is out in July, Space Wolves in October, and Skaven are pushed back to November.
Beasts of Chaos, and Dark Eldar are still slated to be released early next year.
There are a few new rumours for 40k that have come from the Gamesday in Spain. Apparently, Blood Angels and Black Templar codices are in the works right now, Tyranids and Necrons are also currently in the works. Dark Eldar are still at least a year away - probably more as Jes Goodwin hasn't finished the models yet.
(From Bell of Lost Souls)
Hope the DE players get some awesome model updates when the codex finally comes out - you guys have been waiting an age.
I'm a bit biased, but I'm hoping the tyranid codex will be fairly soon. The plastic trygon rumours look rather cool, and I'm hoping that tyranid CC will be given a tweak to make it more effective (to me, tyranids should be all about claws and teeth in close combat, but it seems they aren't just now.. :( )
There are a few new rumours for 40k that have come from the Gamesday in Spain. Apparently, Blood Angels and Black Templar codices are in the works right now, Tyranids and Necrons are also currently in the works. Dark Eldar are still at least a year away - probably more as Jes Goodwin hasn't finished the models yet.
(From Bell of Lost Souls)
Hope the DE players get some awesome model updates when the codex finally comes out - you guys have been waiting an age.
I'm a bit biased, but I'm hoping the tyranid codex will be fairly soon. The plastic trygon rumours look rather cool, and I'm hoping that tyranid CC will be given a tweak to make it more effective (to me, tyranids should be all about claws and teeth in close combat, but it seems they aren't just now.. :( )
Tyranids haven't scared me since 2nd ed. Course most don't do Zerg armies anymore. Its the Zilla attack with tons of Genestealers. I have seen the pics of the plastic Trygon and it looks fantasic. I am guessing you will see a Tyranid release fairly soon since there has been alot of chatter about Space Hulk being rereleased.
I agree DE really deserve a new rulebook and nice mini's. I am curioys to see what the new models looks like and if they are going to get any new units or vehicles.
I keep hoping they will hurry up and get Codex Legions done. I am sick of the current Chaos Codex. Up it seems we will be stuck with Imperial releases at least for the rest of the year. Space Wolves in Oct. I know Inquistion Armies are overdue for an update, but they really need to push something other than the Imperium.
Thematically, I enjoy the Space Wolves 13th company, as well as the Grey Knights.. Just wish they'd update them..
I have heard rumors of Plastic Grey Knights, but can't confirm it yet. GW should at least release a FAQ for the Daemon and Witch Hunter Armies considering the unit changes in the new Space Marine and Imperial Guard Codex's.
As for the 13th Company it would be interesting to see if the Wolfen will be added into the new Space Wolf Codex coming out in Oct.
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Thematically, I enjoy the Space Wolves 13th company, as well as the Grey Knights.. Just wish they'd update them..I have heard rumors of Plastic Grey Knights, but can't confirm it yet. GW should at least release a FAQ for the Daemon and Witch Hunter Armies considering the unit changes in the new Space Marine and Imperial Guard Codex's.
As for the 13th Company it would be interesting to see if the Wolfen will be added into the new Space Wolf Codex coming out in Oct.
I can only wish
So I think that it has been about 4 or 5 years since I have last painted, or done anything with my miniatures. Both of my armies have been languishing in my parents basement and I really haven't had the time (or the car) to go pick them up. But I've had enough, no modeling or playing 40K for 5 years = an unhappy Jamie (that's me). I decided on my lunch break today, to run to my FLGS and grab some minis. I've never played with Imperial Space Marines or Orks, but I really couldn't pass up the deal on Assault on Black Reach. What a great deal. Even if I don't ever play with the minis (which I'm sure that I will), the amount of time I will have just modeling and painting will be worth the price. Anyway, sorry for the long rant, I'm just excited about getting back into the hobby! :-)
So I think that it has been about 4 or 5 years since I have last painted, or done anything with my miniatures. Both of my armies have been languishing in my parents basement and I really haven't had the time (or the car) to go pick them up. But I've had enough, no modeling or playing 40K for 5 years = an unhappy Jamie (that's me). I decided on my lunch break today, to run to my FLGS and grab some minis. I've never played with Imperial Space Marines or Orks, but I really couldn't pass up the deal on Assault on Black Reach. What a great deal. Even if I don't ever play with the minis (which I'm sure that I will), the amount of time I will have just modeling and painting will be worth the price. Anyway, sorry for the long rant, I'm just excited about getting back into the hobby! :-)
Welcome back to the hobby. The Assault of Black Reach set is real nice. They are so well put together you don't even need to glue the models. If you need painting or modeling tips, or just inspiration. Check out 40kradio. Its a great podcast, and covers all the aspects of the hobby.
Welcome back to the hobby. The Assault of Black Reach set is real nice. They are so well put together you don't even need to glue the models. If you need painting or modeling tips, or just inspiration. Check out 40kradio. Its a great podcast, and covers all the aspects of the hobby.
Thanks! I finally had time to open up the box last night (I get to start assembling today), and I have to say that I was a little disappointed that the models are already partially assembled. I guess I probably should have expected something like that since it is a starter set. Oh well, it's a very minor gripe anyway, especially since the set was so cheap.
Another thing that I was curious about, I've seen a lot of negative comments about GW recently, what's the cause of this?
Thanks! I finally had time to open up the box last night (I get to start assembling today), and I have to say that I was a little disappointed that the models are already partially assembled. I guess I probably should have expected something like that since it is a starter set. Oh well, it's a very minor gripe anyway, especially since the set was so cheap.Another thing that I was curious about, I've seen a lot of negative comments about GW recently, what's the cause of this?
The biggest gripes are the price increase in miniatures. Considering the whole industry has raised there prices due to increased metal costs and other factors. So people feel GW is sticking it to them. GW had a major announcement awhile back. People weren't happy about it but understood. Then we had another price increase on June lst with no explanation, and people went ballistic.
White Dwarfs have gotten expensive, ($9 an issue), and the content on each magazine has drastically gone down. Its now most a giant advertisement for GW products and many of the things people enjoyed are no longer in the magazine. There are no more stories about fluff, no more chapter approved, no pics of Golden Daemon winners. So no one wants to pay money for a magazine that has low to little value. Last issue had maybe 6 pages of content for 40k players as an example.
The final issue is the age old agrument over Codicies. Space Marines and Imperial Guard got very good books, with lots of new units and vehicles. Orks also got a very solid codex. Chaos and Eldar mostly got lack luster Codicies. They are playable, but there is no character to them. Anyone who has played these armies for awhile are not happy with these books and consider a very large step backward.
The Daemon Hunters and Witch Hunter books are both broken until GW does a FAQ on redesigning of what they can take as allies. And there are still a few armies that haven't been updated since 3rd Ed. Though Dark Eldar and Space Wolves are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.Hope that helps.
The biggest gripes are the price increase in miniatures. Considering the whole industry has raised there prices due to increased metal costs and other factors. So people feel GW is sticking it to them. GW had a major announcement awhile back. People weren't happy about it but understood. Then we had another price increase on June lst with no explanation, and people went ballistic.
White Dwarfs have gotten expensive, ($9 an issue), and the content on each magazine has drastically gone down. Its now most a giant advertisement for GW products and many of the things people enjoyed are no longer in the magazine. There are no more stories about fluff, no more chapter approved, no pics of Golden Daemon winners. So no one wants to pay money for a magazine that has low to little value. Last issue had maybe 6 pages of content for 40k players as an example.
The final issue is the age old agrument over Codicies. Space Marines and Imperial Guard got very good books, with lots of new units and vehicles. Orks also got a very solid codex. Chaos and Eldar mostly got lack luster Codicies. They are playable, but there is no character to them. Anyone who has played these armies for awhile are not happy with these books and consider a very large step backward.
The Daemon Hunters and Witch Hunter books are both broken until GW does a FAQ on redesigning of what they can take as allies. And there are still a few armies that haven't been updated since 3rd Ed. Though Dark Eldar and...
Okay, this makes a lot of sense. I thought that I was going crazy when I saw the prices of some of the minis on GW's site. I was thinking "Was I really paying this much for these things?!"
I haven't picked up a White Dwarf in a while and I certainly won't be any time soon with a $9 price tag and reduced content. It's a shame, I used to have a subscription in the earlier days of 3rd ed. I really enjoyed it.
As for the codex thing, I certainly agree. I complained (a couple pages ago) in this very thread about how generic the Chaos Codex was.
I was always happy to be a supporter of Games Workshop, I hope they get their act together.
I keep hoping as well. I have over 12,000pts in Iron Warriors that are collecting dust atm except for Apocalypse games. Thats not including my daemons or my LaTD army which got discontinued.
I keep hoping as well. I have over 12,000pts in Iron Warriors that are collecting dust atm except for Apocalypse games. Thats not including my daemons or my LaTD army which got discontinued.
LaTD?
I keep hoping as well. I have over 12,000pts in Iron Warriors that are collecting dust atm except for Apocalypse games. Thats not including my daemons or my LaTD army which got discontinued.LaTD?
Lost and The Damned. Was a mixed army of Traitor Guard, Mutants,and Daemons. Was a list in the Eye of Terror Codex. Was a very fun army to play. They died in droves.
Lost and The Damned. Was a mixed army of Traitor Guard, Mutants,and Daemons. Was a list in the Eye of Terror Codex. Was a very fun army to play. They died in droves.I keep hoping as well. I have over 12,000pts in Iron Warriors that are collecting dust atm except for Apocalypse games. Thats not including my daemons or my LaTD army which got discontinued.LaTD?
Wow, I had completely forgotten about them! I came really close to starting up one of those armies. I remember drooling over the idea of converting a Lehman Russ to some kind of Nurgle themed vehicle. Thinking back on it, I may pick that idea back up. Updated Army list be damned, that would be a fun army to put together. Now I wonder where I put that Eye of terror codex...
Wow, I had completely forgotten about them! I came really close to starting up one of those armies. I remember drooling over the idea of converting a Lehman Russ to some kind of Nurgle themed vehicle. Thinking back on it, I may pick that idea back up. Updated Army list be damned, that would be a fun army to put together. Now I wonder where I put that Eye of terror codex...
With all the new daemon models you can make a real characterful army out of it. Would be interesting to see what you come up with for a list.
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Wow, I thought I'd posted here.
I'm an old GW guy, never worked for them, but have played for more than 15 years. Fantasy battle-you name it, I played it (except maybe very recent stuff). I always keep current codices for my armies and am looking to play a bunch more this summer.
My "main" armies have always been: Orcs, Orks, Chaos (any form, any game), Bretonnia, Skaven, Blood Bowl (every team), Imperial Guard, Undead (yeah, that old).
Like I said, you name it, I've played it.
wow bloodbowl every team; that is pretty cool.
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wow bloodbowl every team; that is pretty cool.
Yeah, we played pretty intently for a year or two when it came out. We were young, so tended to have team ADD and drop them as soon as we wanted to try anything else... Of course, that was back when there were only a dozen teams (and you only had to try goblins or halflings once to get bored with them...)
yeah; I am having trouble with big eyes too; ooh this team can; but ooh this team; but this team hehe; I have only played half a game and have one team and scrapping together 2 more.
I was wondering who is all excited about the new Planetstrike Expansion coming out in the next week?
As for myself I have had a chance to read through the book, and its an excellent companion to Cities of Death, and Apocalyse. I am looking forward to playing it and trying out the point balanced strategems. The new terrain pieces like the Imperial Bastion, and the Skyshield Landing Pad will be an welcome addition to my terrain for my Iron Warriors. So I can't wait for everythings release on the 4th.
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Has anyone got Planetstrike yet?
Any thoughts on it?
Picked it up yesterday, but have only had the time to flip through it.
My thoughts are mostly this:
-If you enjoyed the strategem systems, you'll love this.
-Smaller scale games (>1500 or so) will be difficult since the planetary bombardment phase may leave you with nothing but a handful of defensive units.
-"Turtlers" will have a blast building their own defensive lines.
Content wise, lots of battle reports, and a sweet looking campaign.
I'd say only about 15-20% of the book is dedicated to rules about the new terrain features like the bastions, and quad guns or to the way planet strike itself works.
The rest is terrain diaramas, fluff, etc.
In fantasy, I am working on a vampire counts army, about 2300 pts., and have a skaven clan Skrye army for about 2500 pts..
In 40k I have an Daemon army for almost 4000 pts., and a Black Legion army with World Eaters and Thousand Sons for about 10,000 pts.. I have only pulled out my chaos marines for Apocalypse games because the codex is so broken. It is not Chaos. The reason I started my Daemon army was that that was the only way I could use my Horrors, Lord of Change, and Flesh Hounds, etc.
ok; so; hmm; guess it will take three shots to wup you instead of just two; hehe <poke> <grin>
course my squats have been sitting on the shelf for a long long time; but, I try to keep them dusted off and refill their tankards now and again.
Not sure how many of you follow BoLS minidex's, but they just released the Badab Wars Minidex. I have to say it looks fantasic. I reccommend you all check it out.
Forgive a rant/ramble/request for advice...
I've got a Witch Hunters army that's mostly Sisters of Battle. Current makeup is almost entirely Sisters (all fully assembled, based, and painted), but I have models that I can if I want to work in Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, a Chimera, an Inquisitor (Lord) and some Acolytes, and some Callidus Assassins (some assembly required).
I also picked up for cheap an old Daemonhunters army from a friend, so I could ally the two together if I wanted.
I really, really liked my Sisters army. I like them fluff-wise, I like the way they look. I like generally, the flexible way they play with Acts of Faith and the "don't roast them to bits till you see the whites of their eyes" combat style.
In theory, my army as it is should be in firepower weak compared to say, Marines or Chaos Marines, but have strength in numbers. I should be able to use flexibility, acts of faith, and lots of rapid fire bolters to stand toe to toe with them. Problem is, versus the new codices, it's not working out that way.
I fought a friend with a Chaos Army built on the new Codex they have, and based on the new points costs for his army, we were roughly the same numbers (I think I outnumbered him by just a squad or so)... and then he brought out three summoned units of Demons who had high enough strength and multiple attacks that just shredded my units to death.
There are of course both issues of tactics and die roll luck to be considered.... but I still figure I'm in deep doo-doo if I jump onto the field with Sisters of Battle and realize that I'm outnumbered by Chaos Marines and their cohorts. I can't stand up to that kind of power, but the points costs are theoretically equal.
I'm not a horrible player. Before the new edition, I won a lot of battles against good players. I lost some too, of course, but the fights always felt like equal challenges, where the armies each had their strengths and weaknesses, and it came down to tactics and terrain and so on.
Ever since the new edition, I haven't won a single game (in addition to Chaos, I've fought Eldar and Marines) and they tended to be fights where I was just torn apart.
Now, I can reconfigure and rebuild a bit... as I said, I've got some models to spare and I can rework some things. But if I stand a chance at all, I probably can't remain pure Sisters, which just makes me sad. No rational reason, to be honest, but I just liked the idea of a pure Sisters army and am sorry it just can't seem to be done and be survivable against other armies (especially when it was before). I totally admit I'm being whiny and I want to have my cake and eat it too, but I feel like if I lose some of my favorite models for killer cheese that I feel less passionate about, I'll have less fun playing my army.
On the other hand, I certainly can try to do some reworking, especially since I now have some Grey Knight terminators and a dreadnought on hand, and could probably have some fun with those. But Daemonhunters have a similar problem--they also desperately need revision for 5th ed.
I am NOT, especially with the new prices, going to buy a new army or new models. (My friend who plays the Chaos army insisted "all I needed to do" was buy several squadrons of Imperial Guard to ally with since their new rules are Teh Aw3s0mzorz, but... no. Not buying or painting all that, awesome allied cheese or no.)
Should I get over it, steel my heart in remembrance of my unwavering Faith in the Emperor, and try to rework an obsolete army into something that's at least vaguely competitive with a 5th Ed army, even if it means fewer hot ladies in shiny, tight power armor tromping angrily across the field with giant guns?
Should I wait to see if they ever actually do update Witch Hunters (and Daemon Hunters) Codex? *cue uproarious laughter*
Or should I just get a nice display case to lock the Order of the Revolutionary Rose in forever, where they can be gazed upon fondly in remembrance of the days when they used to be able to kick ass?
I agree Witch Hunters are suffering with an older Codex. Adding in allied Imperial Guard, or Daemon Hunters will not fix the problem. Until GW address's the issue it is a broken dex. That doesn't mean it isn't still viable.
Except for Annihilation Missions which involves Kill Points, everything else is about take some form of object. Mobility is much more important and grab key points than killing your enemy. You may also want to take a look at Apocalyse or Planet Strike as expansions. Apocalyse is for those 3000+ point games where there is no force org, and anything goes, vs planet stike that has a set number of missions and objectives that you can do in a campaign setting. Believe me Planet Strike really changes the feel of game play and how armies work.
As far as Chaos Marines etc... Cost per Marine actually went up except for Chaos Terminators. What went down was the cost of vehicles which has happened with every new codex. If you are just playing at home and not in the tournment scene. I suggest talking with your friends about adjusting the points costs of vehicles who's points where changed in other codicies,ie(Rhino's, or the Chimera). It might not make a huge difference but it will add in a couple of girls here and there. Or that nice upgrade you were looking for.
Hope this helps, and restores your Faith in the Emperor. Don't forget Other armies from 3rd are being worked on as we speak, so yours will only be a matter of time. Space Wolves will be out in just a couple of months, and Dark Eldar are being worked on by Phil Kelly.
I agree Witch Hunters are suffering with an older Codex. Adding in allied Imperial Guard, or Daemon Hunters will not fix the problem. Until GW address's the issue it is a broken dex. That doesn't mean it isn't still viable.
Except for Annihilation Missions which involves Kill Points, everything else is about take some form of object. Mobility is much more important and grab key points than killing your enemy. You may also want to take a look at Apocalyse or Planet Strike as expansions. Apocalyse is for those 3000+ point games where there is no force org, and anything goes, vs planet stike that has a set number of missions and objectives that you can do in a campaign setting. Believe me Planet Strike really changes the feel of game play and how armies work.
My understanding of Apocalypse was it was really into heavy support, which Sisters are very weak in--but to be honest, I've never actually read the rules, so maybe I'm missing something.
I know nothing about Planet Strike. I'll look into it.
As far as Chaos Marines etc... Cost per Marine actually went up except for Chaos Terminators. What went down was the cost of vehicles which has happened with every new codex. If you are just playing at home and not in the tournment scene. I suggest talking with your friends about adjusting the points costs of vehicles who's points where changed in other codicies,ie(Rhino's, or the Chimera). It might not make a huge difference but it will add in a couple of girls here and there. Or that nice upgrade you were looking for.
Okay. I think what helped him immensely was cheaper daemons and a cheaper Land Raider. I will think about that, as I do play mostly friendly games (although it would be nice to have a tourney viable army again someday). I do have a few Rhinos, and I might see if they'd let me reduce the cost of Immolators as well (since Immolators are just Rhinos with a flamethrower mounted at the top, with less carrying capacity since the gun turret takes up space). I won't ask for a reduced price in the Exorcist. :)
Hope this helps, and restores your Faith in the Emperor. Don't forget Other armies from 3rd are being worked on as we speak, so yours will only be a matter of time. Space Wolves will be out in just a couple of months, and Dark Eldar are being worked on by Phil Kelly.
I hope so. Some circles seem to think a new WH 'dex is never going to be more than a pipe dream, but I suppose all I can do is wait. Thanks for your helpful and even-handed response. :)
Apocalypse in general does use more heavy weapons. But you can do some beautiful conversions with a Baneblade as a chapel on tank treads, etc.
Ultimately Apocalypse lets you decide how you want your battle to be. Its up to you and your opponent. You could both decided to do a fast attack only battle. Or a battle of two elite forces.
You may also want to look at Adepticons FAQ for your army. They did alot of clarifications to move your codex into 5th ed. Its far from perfect, but its a good guide until GW does something with your army.
ok; so who besides me thinks there need be some balancing against the chaos demon book for fantasy; I think we all need some demon killing weapons to get through all their damnable ward saves, armor saves; pickled herring saves; extra saves in case the other saves fail; sheesh; profiles from hell then saves on saves and regen and everything else; I thinks we other armies need some equilizers; not that my boys fear em; but then we dont fear anyone, we generate it.
DeathQuaker,
Have some good news for you. If you go to the Forge World site. They just released a updated pdf for Imperial Armour 1 & 2. They are a free download. It has completely new price costs for Inquisition, and Imerpial Vehicles. That should help your army alot.
ok; so who besides me thinks there need be some balancing against the chaos demon book for fantasy; I think we all need some demon killing weapons to get through all their damnable ward saves, armor saves; pickled herring saves; extra saves in case the other saves fail; sheesh; profiles from hell then saves on saves and regen and everything else; I thinks we other armies need some equilizers; not that my boys fear em; but then we dont fear anyone, we generate it.
Daemons of Chaos are the number one army in tournaments. There rank and file daemons while tough, are beatable. 5+ ward save is not that overpowering. Even Heralds are fairly balanced. Its just the Greater Daemons that are out of balance. I am sure we will see something addressing the problem soon before the next tournamant season starts. Possibly the return of daemonic animoisty, or newer armies getting magic items/units that will be very effective against monstrous creatures/daemons. We just have to wait and see.