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I just noticed that there are a couple of spells (Fumble and Mass Fumble) and a magical weapon quality (Sure Grip) from the Paizo Critical Fumble deck that aren't in Pathfinder RPG Alpha 3.
I'd like to see them added; I think the more Paizo makes a united front across product lines, the better.
You already seem to have (judging by the art in the Beta previews) tied into the Item Cards very nicely by sharing art across those product lines. Very nice.
There are probably more areas where you can cross-check for this kind of thing, and I'd think it would be worth the little time it would take.
Not a big deal, obviously, but another detail that could add some value (and cross-promote your various lines!)
Alpha 3 is not a complete product, it is a patch, you take the PHB and DMG and use the Alpha as an overlay. The beta will be much more complete and the hardcover in 09 will be a complete product.
Alpha 3 is not a complete product, it is a patch, you take the PHB and DMG and use the Alpha as an overlay. The beta will be much more complete and the hardcover in 09 will be a complete product.
Actually Brent has a good point. He isn't referring to PHB and DMG material but to some Paizo material from their Critical Fumble Deck.
Alpha 3 is not a complete product, it is a patch, you take the PHB and DMG and use the Alpha as an overlay. The beta will be much more complete and the hardcover in 09 will be a complete product.Actually Brent has a good point. He isn't referring to PHB and DMG material but to some Paizo material from their Critical Fumble Deck.
One of us is misreading his original post I just reread it and I don't think it's me. This sentence is the one I was referring to:
I just noticed that there are a couple of spells (Fumble and Mass Fumble) and a magical weapon quality (Sure Grip) from the Paizo Critical Fumble deck that aren't in Pathfinder RPG Alpha 3.
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Alpha 3 is not a complete product, it is a patch, you take the PHB and DMG and use the Alpha as an overlay. The beta will be much more complete and the hardcover in 09 will be a complete product.
I agree that Alpha 3 is an "overlay", but Fumble and Mass Fumble aren't in the 3.5 SRD either.
Paizo invented them (AFAIK) for their Critical Fumble deck product.
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Alpha 3 is not a complete product, it is a patch, you take the PHB and DMG and use the Alpha as an overlay. The beta will be much more complete and the hardcover in 09 will be a complete product.I agree that Alpha 3 is an "overlay", but Fumble and Mass Fumble aren't in the 3.5 SRD either.
Paizo invented them (AFAIK) for their Critical Fumble deck product.
They might want to keep some of their original creations out of the core books to keep reasons for people to buy the associated products. Another example of this is the Harrower PrC in the CS. It refers to the Harrow spell from the Harrow deck, but the CS itself doesn't detail the spell.
Or maybe they're not adding a bunch of extra stuff because they want to keep the page count of the Pathfinder rules book under 1000 pages? ;-)
I agree that Alpha 3 is an "overlay", but Fumble and Mass Fumble aren't in the 3.5 SRD either.
Paizo invented them (AFAIK) for their Critical Fumble deck product.
Ahh... now I see what you are getting at. I DO need to work on my reading comprehension.
I think Paizo is going to keep the core book limited to porting the SRD and any required changes to the SRD. Feats, spells, and optional class features introduced in other Paizo Products will likely stay there. Maybe the Monster Book will include some Paizo monsters. Optional rules such as fumble are likely to be left out.