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Hello everybody!
I wanted to make a quick post about the Pathfinder to 4e conversion site I'm writing up. The site is Dungeon Monkey's conversion wiki.
The website is kind of a thought-experiment for me, since I don't have a 4e group to DM for right now (my group passive-aggressively resists a 4e switch).
Anyway, comments and suggestions are welcome. I hope that this is allowed; if there's a problem, let me know.
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Very nice. Conversion between 3e and 4e really isn't as hard as WOTC made it out to be.
If you can "convert" stuff from AD&D to 3e with the two systems being radically different, there's no reason why WOTC couldn't have done the same for 3e to 4e when the two are so similar. What it comes down to is they don't want people playing 3e stuff anymore.
Hello everybody!
I wanted to make a quick post about the Pathfinder to 4e conversion site I'm writing up. The site is Dungeon Monkey's conversion wiki.
The website is kind of a thought-experiment for me, since I don't have a 4e group to DM for right now (my group passive-aggressively resists a 4e switch).
Anyway, comments and suggestions are welcome. I hope that this is allowed; if there's a problem, let me know.
Wow.
Have you posted this in the 4E forums? There are a lot of fans that want to convert stuff there and whats really needed is a Wiki - well it looks like you have a Wiki.
That said I'm not really sure your looking to do a co-operative thing. You may just want to post your own stuff and get some commentary. Which is fine and well within your rights of course.
If anyone can get on WotC 4E site (sorry, i got perma-banned), would you please do me a favor?
Tell everybody DoppleGangster said... "Kiss my a**"
Thanks!
I went there today after quite a long time to see if it was still the cesspool of anger, hatred, and circular argument that it was two months ago.
Things haven't changed much. Strangely, many of the members there have developed a hatred for Paizo. I was attacked for having something written in my sig about them.
It was fun...next time I will just give myself a firm groinshot and pick up a copy of the weekly world news when I want that kind of fun.
If anyone can get on WotC 4E site (sorry, i got perma-banned), would you please do me a favor?
Tell everybody DoppleGangster said... "Kiss my a**"
Thanks!
I went there today after quite a long time to see if it was still the cesspool of anger, hatred, and circular argument that it was two months ago.
Things haven't changed much. Strangely, many of the members there have developed a hatred for Paizo. I was attacked for having something written in my sig about them.
It was fun...next time I will just give myself a firm groinshot and pick up a copy of the weekly world news when I want that kind of fun.
Yeah unfortunatley it can get like that at times from people on both sides.
And Dopplegangster, shut up.
Looking over your Burnt Offerings conversion, I have a few suggestions.
First, split the festival fights up into three separate encounters. Three waves of monsters (two-and-a-half encounters worth) without a chance to regain encounter powers, heals or second winds is unnecessarily difficult. You're asking for a TPK on the first encounter. In this set of encounters, just follow the levels given in the actual adventure. Initial Assault should be a level 1 encounter, Goblin Pyros a level 2, and Die, Dog, Die! a level 3. Don't let Aldern help. It's better if he comes out looking like a wide-eyed wannabe than capable warrior.
Shopkeep's Daughter should be a skill challenge as well as The Boar Hunt. I suggest making both of them complexity 2, complexity 1 skill challenges are over too quickly and don't award very much XP at all.
Make Monster in the Closet a real encounter. At the very least, throw an elite Skullcleaver at the party. I suggest the Savage Berserker template. Optionally, stick a few more goblins in that hole with him to make the encounter even more respectable. Remember that in 3.5, a single CR 1 monster (like the goblin ranger in Burnt Offerings) is supposed to be an average challenge for a 4-person party of 1st-level. Monster in the Closet is not supposed to be a minor annoyance, it's supposed to be a fight.
This is as far as I've run in my 4e conversion campaign, but I strongly suggest you split up the encounters in the Glassworks, too. The ability to regain abilities between fights is really important. Your party will run out of healing entirely after the first couple of waves and will start dropping like flies during the second half of the fight.
Finally, I suggest balancing your conversions for a party of five characters, not four. It will make the math on your end easier and it will be simpler to adjust the encounters for those using the conversion now that five characters is the standard.
You can find my Pathfinder conversion blog at Tales from the Rusty Dragon.
Looking over your Burnt Offerings conversion, I have a few suggestions.Thanks for your suggestions. I liked them and decided to use them pretty much directly, except the one about changing for 5 PCs - I'm used to 4 PCs in my game, and it makes the math easier for me.
Glad to hear! And yeah, if you're running a group of 4 PCs it's just fine to keep your math tuned to 4 rather than 5.
If anyone can get on WotC 4E site (sorry, i got perma-banned), would you please do me a favor?
Tell everybody DoppleGangster said... "Kiss my a**"
Thanks!
I went there today after quite a long time to see if it was still the cesspool of anger, hatred, and circular argument that it was two months ago.
Things haven't changed much. Strangely, many of the members there have developed a hatred for Paizo. I was attacked for having something written in my sig about them.
It was fun...next time I will just give myself a firm groinshot and pick up a copy of the weekly world news when I want that kind of fun.
I think your real problem is in lumping all of us 4e posters together, generalizing us and stereotyping us.
I've seen more people on the WotC boards that support Paizo than those that do not-- and that includes people from BOTH camps: the "4vengers" and the "h4ters." Yeah, the 4e supporters are DISAPPOINTED that Paizo isn't supporting 4e, but that's a far, FAR cry from hatred toward Paizo. If anything it shows a modicum of respect or even love.
Sounds to me like you ran across TD. No one likes TD on either side, dude. xD
Personally I don't get involved in the "edition wars" and I think I'm actually in the majority. It just doesn't seem like the majority, because guess what, the majority of the people avoiding the wars are, you guess it, AVOIDING THE WARS. So you won't see us posting in threads the devolve into flaming one side or the other. And I'm talking both sides of the fence, here: there are 4e supporters and 3e supporters that get along just fine without all the hatred. We just avoid the people who DO go that low, that's all.
In fact, let me tell you something. I never HEARD of Paizo until recently, and it was because of the people on the 4e boards that I thought I'd check the site out and see what Pathfinder was all about. Why? Because I heard great things. From both 4e supporters and 3e supporters. Seems Paizo is almost universally lauded as an excellent company over there and if you say anything against them you get jumped on by both the 4vengers and the h4ters. o.O
I think your real problem is in lumping all of us 4e posters together, generalizing us and stereotyping us.
I've seen more people on the WotC boards that support Paizo than those that do not-- and that includes people from BOTH camps: the "4vengers" and the "h4ters." Yeah, the 4e supporters are DISAPPOINTED that Paizo isn't supporting 4e, but that's a far, FAR cry from hatred toward Paizo. If anything it shows a modicum of respect or even love.
Sounds to me like you ran across TD. No one likes TD on either side, dude. xD
Personally I don't get involved in the "edition wars" and I think I'm actually in the majority. It just doesn't seem like the majority, because guess what, the majority of the people avoiding the wars are, you guess it, AVOIDING THE WARS. So you won't see us posting in threads the devolve into flaming one side or the other. And I'm talking both sides of the fence, here: there are 4e supporters and 3e supporters that get along just fine without all the hatred. We just avoid the people who DO go that low, that's all.
In fact, let me tell you something. I never HEARD of Paizo until recently, and it was because of the people on the 4e boards that I thought I'd check the site out and see what Pathfinder was all about. Why? Because I heard great things. From both 4e supporters and 3e supporters. Seems...
This is exactly right. Most of us who played D&D 3.5 are at least familiar with Paizo's work, and the company has a huge amount of respect on the forums. Most of us are disappointed, as squarecircle pointed out, that Paizo will not be updating their products to 4th Edition, but that doesn't mean that we're suddenly abandoning the company. In fact, some of us are doing the exact opposite - throwing our support behind the adventures they make and taking that extra step to make them compatible with the new edition of D&D so that those who like Paizo's products and also like 4th Edition can get the best of both worlds.
Sounds to me like you ran across TD. No one likes TD on either side, dude. xD
I always try to keep that in mind; it becomes more and more difficult when some 4e supporters respond to his posts with complete agreement, then other 4e supporters do nothing to contradict or argue against these posts. Other people just seem to ignore TD's posts while arguing with the posts that are arguing with TD, effectively helping TD spread his bile with less resistance.
There have been a few times where a 4e supporter has told TD to stop, sadly most of those included a shot at the 3.5 supporters by saying things along the lines of, "Don't stoop to the anti-4e posters level." However I think I can count those posts telling TD to stop on one hand.
While it seems that most don't like TD's style of posting, there a small number of people that have posts that either agree with his points or have the same opinions as him. Only the people who defend 3e argue against these posts. Pro-4e posters, much more often than not, tend to ignore TD's (and similar posters) posts just because they are pro-4e. They often help TD by arguing with the only people who speak against TD.
I guess the short version of what I'm saying is: if the majority of pro-4e posters don't like TD's posts, they could be doing a better job expressing it.
conversion isn't hard at all. Look at the new rules, decide what the flavor of your character is and figure it out