Multi-classing and skills

[brent norton]

When you multi-class and (I know you will), do you get +3 class bonus to the new skills gained by the new class? If so, doesn't mean it could give a lot skills?

[0gre]

Yes and yes, of course you still need to spread those skill ranks around to get the skill bonus.

I can see the appeal of a fighter grabbing a couple levels of rogue to get class skills, sneak attack, and evasion though.

[brent norton]

Maybe they should change it to favored class get the +3 AS A CLASS skill BONUS, +1 to any skill picked up after first level to new class skills.

[0gre]

The thing is you would quickly find your character is a jack of all trades, master of none. Sure you have more total skill points, but you aren't really good at anything. Once you get beyond 8th level or so the +3 bonus isn't as important as just keeping the skill topped off.

[Saurstalk]

brent norton wrote:

Maybe they should change it to favored class get the +3 AS A CLASS skill BONUS, +1 to any skill picked up after first level to new class skills.

Given how much slower the acquisition of skill ranks now takes place, I'm completely comfortable with the way Paizo has set it up. Besides, it makes character creation MUCH less complicated.

[Noir le Lotus]

in 3.X, when you wanted to play a fighter/rogue, you nearly allways start with rogue at first level for the amount of skills and your character could hardly stand as a fighter.

With the Alpha rules, you have exactly the same multiclassed character no matter what your first level was, and the character creation is really easier.

That's a very good improvement !!

[KaeYoss]

brent norton wrote:

Maybe they should change it to favored class get the +3 AS A CLASS skill BONUS, +1 to any skill picked up after first level to new class skills.

Nah. The way it is now, it doesn't matter at all in what order you took the levels. I think that's a very good thing.

In fact, I'd expand that (and did in my own games): No more full HP on first level (but you do get an extra helping of con bonus to compensate), and int bonuses are retroactive.

The occasions where the order you took your classes and levels in matters should be as few as possible.

[brent norton]

It just seemed to an easy way to get easy skill bonuses. Actually, looked at what classes it would take to get all the skills as a class bonus, It was ranger, rogue, and bard. It only left Fly as not a non class skill. So, if you want a sing Batman here you go.

[KaeYoss]

brent norton wrote:

I know you will

Oh yes I will. Wanna know why? Because I CAN! :D

[KaeYoss]

brent norton wrote:

It just seemed to an easy way to get easy skill bonuses. Actually, looked at what classes it would take to get all the skills as a class bonus, It was ranger, rogue, and bard. It only left Fly as not a non class skill. So, if you want a sing Batman here you go.

You still need at least one skill point in those skills.

And putting one skill point into a lot of skills might be neat at low-levels, but later, getting +1 or +5 to knowledge(dungeoneering) won't make that much of a difference any more.