Watcher, what specifically would you include in this book, ideally? I'm working on the assumption that this product line is about long-existing monsters that are in need of a fresh coat of paint.I'd envision a Fey book that looks something like this:
1.) Group "shy, reclusive, temptress" sorts of fey into one "family." Keep the individual creatures separate but relate them somehow... Nymph, Dryad, Nereid, Sirine fit into this category.
2.) Satyr, cause you've gotta have something that was crerated to play havoc with the "shy, reclusive, temptress" fey.
3.) Trickster Fey, like Nixies, Pixies, Brownies, etc. would be the best place to go wild with the "amoral mischief" we've seen in Pathfinder Fey so far.
4.) Merge Merfolk/Tritons. The fey kingdom beneath the sea.
5.) Harpy, though a Monstous Humanoid, fits a fey theme pretty well.
6.) Hags, also fey in their outlook, perhaps designed specifically to do horrible things to those who would seek out the fey.
7.) Will-O-Wisp
8.) ...
9.) .....
10.) ..............I can't figure where to go from here, especially from an "update the old"...
Eric,
You make a compelling point, and maybe a Fae book isn't well suited to a "REVISITED" book.
I guess I want the topic of Fae to be "visited" in the first place. And it has been touched upon in various modules and easter egg entries, but I'm always hungry for more disclosure.
The Gazetteer touched upon the First World, we know a little bit from the Gnomes, put it's patchwork. That's not a complaint because I realize this is an ongoing process and the guys just can't write a book every day in order to satisfy my thirst for campaign knowledge.. but there you go. The guys also admit that they seed books with little concepts and ideas and they wait to see what people start demanding to know more about (like Magesmiths!). James and Mike have both said that before, and I can see it's a valid approach to long term design.
Sometimes I'm whimsical when I post, sometimes I'm serious.
I would like to see a Fae book someday if the topic isn't handled elsewhere.
The second book is an
old and beautifully filigreed tome containing numerous hand drawn illustrations and titled The Syrpents Tane: Fairy Tales of the Eldest. The book presents tales of the Tane—goliaths of war and madness dreamt and stitched into being by the Eldest, the most feared of a group of notorious fey known as the Twisted. The Tane are said to be terrible to behold, and the stories speak of them stumbling into mortal lands, where they ravage kingdoms by creating firestorms, crushing keeps with their feet, and eating dragons. Specific Tane described include monstrous creatures like the Jabberwok (a thing of thorns and fire and crushing fury the size of a castle), the Thrasfyr (also known as the Dreaming Hill of the Dark, a barbed thing of iron and hooks and blades that the book claims took part in the Three-Thousand-Year War of the Eldest), and the Sard (the Storm of Insanities, a thing of boughs and briars and misery, an ancient Wychwood Elm given life and hate by the Eldest, a mad creature apt to pull a roc in two or fell a castle at a blow).
This is amazing stuff you know? That and the First World grapped my attention, especially after I got some answers concerning the Starstone (which was what I used to be crazy for, as much as a month ago. That itch has been scratched a while).
If no there is no way to make a "Fae revisited", then I actually like your Classic Creature List, Eric, that was up earlier in this thread. After that I'd like to see Aberrations, or Undead in that order.
I do think there should be a Dragon book as I said before, I just think that the article in PF#4 or PF#5 was pretty meaty, and should tide us over for a little while at least.
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Classic Fey Revisted:
1)Dryad
2)Gnome
3)Grig
4)Leprechaun
5)Merfolk
6)Nymph
7)Pixie
8)Satyr
9)Unicorn
10)Will-O-Wisp
Classic Monstrous Humanoids Revisited:
1)Centaurs
2)Derro
3)Doppelgangers
4)Gargoyles
5)Grimlocks
6)Grippli
7)Hags
8)Harpies
9)Medusae
10)Sahuagin
Classic Giants Revisited:
1)Cloud Giant
2)Cyclopes
3)Ettin
4)Fire Giant
5)Frost Giant
6)Ogre Magi
7)Storm Giant
8)Titans
9)Dire Animals
10)???
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Add Fomorian Giants to #10.I'd replace #9 Dire Animals with something else - that doesn't seem to belong.
They sorta don't, but they sorta do. They ARE giants - just not humanoid giants. An article on where they come from, where they fit in with smaller animals, how giants use them. It's outside of the box thinking.
I suppose if that's still not convincing, they could reprint the Stone Giant article from RotRL.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 4
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Classic Giants Revisited:1)Cloud Giant
2)Cyclopes
3)Ettin
4)Fire Giant
5)Frost Giant
6)Ogre Magi
7)Storm Giant
8)Titans
9)Dire Animals
10)???
Yup, I'm with you on the Dire Animals. Having Giants and their pets in a single source would be completely worthwhile. Plus, it would probably be the only chance we'd get for a writeup on animals of any kind.
If I were re-envisioning giants, I'd do it like this.
1.) Titans
2.) Storm Giants
3.) Cloud Giants
4.) Fire Giants
5.) Frost Giants
6.) Stone Giants
7.) Hill Giants
8.) The Outcasts...
As we've seen in Paizo Ogres, Giant-class creatures are prone to various deformities. Whatever the cause, some deformities are common enough to be classified:
a.) Ettin: a giant born with multiple heads. (Hill-Giant ettins are the most common type, followed by Trolls.)
b.) Athach: a giant born with multiple limbs
c.) Fomorian: a giant with grotesque disfigurements.
d.) Cyclops: a giant born with a single enlarged eye and the gift/curse of prophecy.
Anyway, my thought would be to turn these into templates or simple add-ons to other base giant types.
9.) Giants' Pets: Dire Animals (Bears, Boars, Wolves, Ligers, perhaps even include Roc here. Good idea, cappadocius)
10.) Giant-Kin: Firbolg (fey giant), Voadkyn (forest giant), Verbeeg (perhaps a suitable PC race, sort of a "goliath" for Pathfinder.
Just food for thought. That pagecount might be pretty high.
-eric
Hmm, so many choices. I would like to see the Pathfinder take on all kinds of things but in particular a book on the giant types would be sweet.
Ettins
Cyclops
Giants
Titans
Not sure what else giantwise, but some other monsters I would like to see are:
Tarrasque
Hydra
Ghoul
Slaad
Naga
Doppelganger
Efreeti
Genie
Beholder
Lich
Rakshasa
Treant
Umber Hulk
Galeb Dur?
I sprang the new Bugbear with an Attic Whisperer on the PFRPG group last night. Players loved the fluff changes.
Bugbears as big goblins bosses were okay, but as one player shouted, "What the hell?! Bugbears are now like killer clowns! This rocks!"It struck me that they were both excited and engaged, all I could hope for..
Really, I wasn't going for 'killer clown', rather a driven psychotic threat that feels nothing but the terror of his victims- but so long as they had a good time.. :)
I loved this book. It was great, and if I were to vote for another "theme," it would be giants. I love giants, and I'd love to see the "Classic Monsters" spin on them.
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Maybe not now, but someday.
Elementals :
1- Elementals
2- Paraelementals
3- Quasielementals
4- Fundamentals
5- Mephits
6- Elemental Weirds
7- Salamanders
8- Elementals of Chaos (Eolian, Erdeen, Pyrophor, Undine)
9- Elementals of Law (Anemo, Kryst, Helion, Hydrax)
10- The Others (Time Elemental, Energons, Wood Elemental, Composite Elementals)
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Could someone give me some examples of the types of racial feats and advanced/leveled creatures in this book?
Off the top of my head, there are feats for Bugbears that allow them to scare people silly in the dark. The advanced creatures don't merit stat blocks, but just summaries. For example - the Bugbears that are stillborn and then come to life, becoming some of the most feared and evil of their kind. They are CR 6 and have special powers including speak with dead.
We will almost certainly be doing another book like this in the first quarter of 2009.
Given that the new book will focus exclusively on one "type" of monster, what type do you think we should do? What ten monsters of that type would you prefer to see?
We have some ideas of our own, but I'm interested to hear yours.
Well, first let me say that I love Classsic Monsters Revisited. It's one of the best RPG books I've ever read, period. I have to admit that I liked the Lizardfolk the best, but the rest of them were all good.
Anyway...
As for your question, I would probably want to see some of the monstrous humanoids get "revisited." If I had to choos then I'd go with these as my top 5:
Centaur
Doppelganger
Gargoyle
Sahuagin
Yuan-ti
You could combine these with some of the OGL monstrous humanoids from Tome of Horrors: Revised. Here's my top 5 from that book:
Kech
Mongrelman
Tabaxi
Taer
Yeti
Of course, you might not go the OGL source route, but I think that it would be a great way to keep certain OGL monsters from fading into the mist, so to speak.
Cheers!
KF72
Well, first let me say that I love Classsic Monsters Revisited. It's one of the best RPG books I've ever read, period. I have to admit that I liked the Lizardfolk the best, but the rest of them were all good.
Woot! Parthenogenesis FTW!
I just want to say that I really enjoy the book too.
Though I was a bit surprised to read about mixed gnoll-human tribes. You'd think that the humans would all wind up in the stewpot as soon as their furry tribemates got hungry. And to say nothing of what the kids must look like...
Though I was a bit surprised to read about mixed gnoll-human tribes. You'd think that the humans would all wind up in the stewpot as soon as their furry tribemates got hungry. And to say nothing of what the kids must look like...
The Great Mother loves all.
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I'll bite though. Pure Gaming Crack... I bought it for the Goblin Section alone and that's by far my favorite section but it's all great.
PGC indeed. I actually bought it in large part due to the Gnoll section. (Not that the Goblins aren't sweet...and the bugbear, and the ogres...) The only dream that didn't come true for me was making Gnolls matriarchal like hyenas...easily remedied, however.
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I have to agree with the idea of Fey
1. Leprechaun
2. Dryad
3. Pixie/Nixie
4. Nereid
5. Quickling
6. Satyr
7. Sylph
8. Spriggan
9. Faerie
10. Gremlin
if not than do Monsters of legend as has been suggested
1. Chimera
2. Mantichora
3. Hydra
4. Gorgon
5. Medusa
6. Pegasus
7. Unicorn
8. Centaurs
9. Gargoyles
10. Harpies
Though I was a bit surprised to read about mixed gnoll-human tribes. You'd think that the humans would all wind up in the stewpot as soon as their furry tribemates got hungry. And to say nothing of what the kids must look like...The Great Mother loves all.
Loves them for dinner, I think? ;)
But seriously, all hail Lamashtu! It was reading the article about her in Sins of the Saviors that convinced me to buy that book... and it was reading that book that convinced me to turn to Paizo. So whatever joy I find in Paizo and Paathfinder, I owe it to Her Ladyship.
PGC indeed. I actually bought it in large part due to the Gnoll section. (Not that the Goblins aren't sweet...and the bugbear, and the ogres...) The only dream that didn't come true for me was making Gnolls matriarchal like hyenas...easily remedied, however.
I'm a fan of matriarchal gnolls myself. And OT, but what I've read about the habits of real-world spotted hyenas makes me wonder if 'Chaotic Evil' really isn't the best description for their attitude. Raping and eating their own cubs?
[OT, but what I've read about the habits of real-world spotted hyenas makes me wonder if 'Chaotic Evil' really isn't the best description for their attitude. Raping and eating their own cubs?
Haven't read up on them, but the documentaries (NG? AP? DC?) I have seen has given me fodder for nasty gnolls. I wonder if it wasn't some of the material in MMIV that kept Paizo from taking the gnolls in a matriarchal direction. The connection with Lamashtu is gold.
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throwing the 2 cents in here too :D I was most pleasently surprised with the book. I bought it thinking,.."great, paizo went out and made a little rehash crap MM book" so having not read any review and being somewhat compulsive when it comes to pathfinder..
I picked it up and am damn glad i did!! the whole thing reads like a great insightful look at the uniqueness of those races that a typical monster book just doesnt do...great product!!
Would love to see paizo's spin on illithids.
Can't happen, Thomas, they're closed content. BTW, are you new around here?
Can't happen, Thomas, they're closed content. BTW, are you new around here?
Dang. :/
Yea, only been on for a few weeks now.
Welcome on board, Thomas!
The staff has said on more than one occasion that they have no interest in coming up with a mind flayer knock-off, but they are committed to bring us more freaky goodness in that fit the same or similar niche: expect to see reworkings of the intellect devourer, neolithid, aboleth, and the Men of Leng.
Welcome on board, Thomas!
The staff has said on more than one occasion that they have no interest in coming up with a mind flayer knock-off, but they are committed to bring us more freaky goodness in that fit the same or similar niche: expect to see reworkings of the intellect devourer, neolithid, aboleth, and the Men of Leng.
Thanks Mairkurion :)
Went on hiatus from D&D, and gaming in general, as everything seemed so...vanilla. One day randomly surfing some gaming sites, and I stumbled across the Pathfinder line of products. Did some digging, and have found a renewed vigor for gaming. Playing through the Runelords AP, and am slowly acquiring the Second Darkness materials to run it. :D
I loved the Monsters Revisited, and had visions of an entire 3.5 monster manual rewrite. (Hadn't realized the illithid wasn't open source--should have realized, it's not in the SRD :P)
Will have to get my hands on the dragons. Right now working on getting all the Second Darkness material (dungeon denizens may have to wait awhile..)
Yeah, I know, I'm late to the party...as usual. I finally got CMR through the PDF love sale. I have to say, I'm really stoked with the content. I plan to use the bugbear content to full effect with my next group of low level PCs (perhaps as a Second Darkness side trek).
There's no tardy policy...yay, someone else loves the bugbear's treatment.
Can't happen, Thomas, they're closed content. BTW, are you new around here?Dang. :/
Yea, only been on for a few weeks now.
Welcome to the Forumns, Thomas! I hope that you enjoy your stay here!
There's no tardy policy...yay, someone else loves the bugbear's treatment.
Yes there is! We make them slave away in Lilith's Cookie and Beer factory!
~thinks~ Hmmmnnnnnnnnnn............. That makes being tardy sound like a good idea.
Welcome to the Forumns, Thomas! I hope that you enjoy your stay here!
I'm entrenched. The messageboards are now my homepage :P
There's no tardy policy...yay, someone else loves the bugbear's treatment.
Definitely. It seems much more in line with the traditional idea of a bugbear as a boogeyman. I always like it when I can instill a certain level of spookiness or downright terror into an adventure without having it instilled by an illithid blackguard riding a beholder, or a tarrasque with a laser mounted on its head.
I'm glad there's a few minis out there that support this better than the typical, "I'm a bigger, hairier hobgoblin, as you can see by my crew-cut and professional arms and armor." I've been grabbing strangler and ghost blood bugbears to support the spook factor.