18 years???
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...Remind me never to grow Mandarins.
18 years? 18 years! Those better be some damn good mandarins!!
How big is the tree? And what was your pollinator and pollen source? Indoor or outdoor? Day neutral, short day, or long day? Animal, vegetable, or mineral?
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How big is the tree? And what was your pollinator and pollen source? Indoor or outdoor? Day neutral, short day, or long day? Animal, vegetable, or mineral?
MANDARIN: 4 metres tall, native bees, never seen it flower in 18 years so must have missed it..., outdoor, southern edge equatorial location (wetseason rainfall), lots of light, 1 foot thick fossilbearing clay layer on an iron oxide bed.
It has been thoroughly ignored (to encourage survival). I probably could have got something years ago if I had stressed it and pruned regularly.
By Comparrison:
INDIAN LIME: (OPPOSITE SIDE OF DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE) 4 meters tall, native bees same conditions, fruited prolificly after six years.
It takes that long for a Chinese Noble to bear fruit? ~shakes my head~ They should be useful much earlier than that! ~reads it again~ Oh!!! A Plant! Gratz!
Five Huge Flawless Mandarines!!! GOBLIN FARMER HUGS Kobold in moment of insanity!18 years???
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...Remind me never to grow Mandarins.
AAH! Get away from me, scary goblin!
How big is the tree? And what was your pollinator and pollen source? Indoor or outdoor? Day neutral, short day, or long day? Animal, vegetable, or mineral?MANDARIN: 4 metres tall, native bees, never seen it flower in 18 years so must have missed it..., outdoor, southern edge equatorial location (wetseason rainfall), lots of light, 1 foot thick fossilbearing clay layer on an iron oxide bed.
It has been thoroughly ignored (to encourage survival). I probably could have got something years ago if I had stressed it and pruned regularly.
By Comparrison:
INDIAN LIME: (OPPOSITE SIDE OF DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE) 4 meters tall, native bees same conditions, fruited prolificly after six years.
If there are no other mandarins in the area, then it either selfed or had the lime's cross-pollinate it. Not sure which one of those options would work, just bear that in mind when you enjoy your mandarins (lime+mandarin=?). Flowers might be small/cryptic, no big deal as long as the bees found them. Interesting growth conditions. Might be slower to mature and thus the longer wait, might be stressed. Iron oxide bed means low permanent CEC, hard to hold cations/nutrients. What type of clay? Fertilized it at all?
Oh, and citrus (as far as I know, ALL citrus, including oranges, lemons, etc.) are understory species, but grow just fine in the sun.
I've got a lychee plant in the kitchen that I grew from the fruit (by accident) over two years ago -I wonder if and when that will ever produce fruit?!
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If there are no other mandarins in the area, then it either selfed or had the lime's cross-pollinate it. Not sure which one of those options would work, just bear that in mind when you enjoy your mandarins (lime+mandarin=?). Flowers might be small/cryptic, no big deal as long as the bees found them. Interesting growth conditions. Might be slower to mature and thus the longer wait, might be stressed. Iron oxide bed means low permanent CEC, hard to hold cations/nutrients. What type of clay? Fertilized it at all?
Oh, and citrus (as far as I know, ALL citrus, including oranges, lemons, etc.) are understory species, but grow just fine in the sun.
Never Fertilized, but the topsoil (what little there is) takes a lot of leaf debris from other trees (so nitrogen rich debris humus), the same Clay layer has fosilized Sea Plants and Trilobites elsewhere in town and is a very old White Clay (with some ironoxide pink intrusion from the iron oxide layer (Commonly called ironstone).
Probably selfed...damn self abusers.
Ours do quite well in the sun - its heavy shade they dont like.
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I've got a lychee plant in the kitchen that I grew from the fruit (by accident) over two years ago -I wonder if and when that will ever produce fruit?!
Related to the Rambutan.
Keep it pruned short so it droops like weeping willow, grow it out in direct Equatorial sunlight with good water.
Probably five-ten years.
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Can you grow pumpkins in Texas?
I grew some in Florida pretty good.
I Suppose. with lots of other punkins, bees to polinate all that under an irrigated shadecanopy covering a few square miles...mixed with other flowering plants so there is a good supply of everything the bees need...else you is going to have sex with your own Pum'kin flurs.
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I Suppose. with lots of other punkins, bees to polinate all that under an irrigated shadecanopy covering a few square miles...mixed with other flowering plants so there is a good supply of everything the bees need...else you is going to have sex with your own Pum'kin flurs.Can you grow pumpkins in Texas?
I grew some in Florida pretty good.
I wasn't gonna go into farming; the margins suck.
Just wanted something for Halloween and whatnot.
My family has about 800 acers of cotton which is swapped out every 2 years with soy bean. We don't really farm we pay like 3 guys with 300,000 dollar trackers to do it then they take their cut of profit and give us the rest. We plant about 5 acers of sweet corn (peaches and cream I think) which is hand picked, shucked, and silked. We do keep a huge garden tho, with anything from tomatos, squash, okra, peppers, cucumbers, roman green beans, lettus, and tons of other stuff. I used to hate tilling, staking, picking, shucking, silking. I think just about anything will grow in TN short of pineapple.
Fizz
After 18 years...The Mandarin I grew from a seed is finally producing Fruit.
Congratulations, Dingo. What an amazing feeling that must be.
Never Fertilized, but the topsoil (what little there is) takes a lot of leaf debris from other trees (so nitrogen rich debris humus), the same Clay layer has fosilized Sea Plants and Trilobites elsewhere in town and is a very old White Clay (with some ironoxide pink intrusion from the iron oxide layer (Commonly called ironstone).
Probably selfed...damn self abusers.
Ours do quite well in the sun - its heavy shade they dont like.
Umm, trees strip nitrogen from their leaves before dropping them-they aren't all that nitrogen rich, that's why they build up. The clay layer is possibly kaolinite or montmorillonite, the iron oxides are typical of oxisols and pretty unreactive. Ironstone is very old though. I think your mandarin would have set seed much sooner with a little extra nitrogen to help it along, though I'm not sure how well your soil will retain it.If your clay is montmorillonite, you've got a respectably high CEC to hold nutrients plus the OM that's building up. Not bad, not bad at all. Great job with the mandarins, keep 'em growing and savor them well.
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My family has about 800 acers of cotton which is swapped out every 2 years with soy bean. We don't really farm we pay like 3 guys with 300,000 dollar trackers to do it then they take their cut of profit and give us the rest. We plant about 5 acers of sweet corn (peaches and cream I think) which is hand picked, shucked, and silked. We do keep a huge garden tho, with anything from tomatos, squash, okra, peppers, cucumbers, roman green beans, lettus, and tons of other stuff. I used to hate tilling, staking, picking, shucking, silking. I think just about anything will grow in TN short of pineapple.
Fizz
Get yourself a dozen pineapple tops, peel the frond back to expose new roots and stick them in dirt under bent wire supports covered by plastic sheet. Traps the moisture, and heat and gives your average Tenesee Farmer tropical fruits.
looking for solar hot water? a fifty metre Roll of 2" black polypipe layed out across the ground or roof...run the cold water through it under pressure and take hot water out the far end as you need it.
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After 18 years...The Mandarin I grew from a seed is finally producing Fruit.Congratulations, Dingo. What an amazing feeling that must be.
Considering I got 2.6% of the vote in the Mayoral Thing (that was everyone interested in human rights- 35.5% broke the law and failed to vote, 10% didnt vote proper and got rejected-and the one likely to get in is the Lady who doesnt feel safe walking the streets so she wants a "flying Squad"-a band of cops who go about abducting and assaulting hoodlums, itinerants, and other trouble makers) I got to find something to do.
Considering I got 2.6% of the vote in the Mayoral Thing (that was everyone interested in human rights- 35.5% broke the law and failed to vote, 10% didnt vote proper and got rejected-and the one likely to get in is the Lady who doesnt feel safe walking the streets so she wants a "flying Squad"-a band of cops who go about abducting and assaulting hoodlums, itinerants, and other trouble makers) I got to find something to do.
I wasn't aware you were running for mayor. I'm sorry you didn't win because that would be one wild town to visit. :)
I've got a lychee plant in the kitchen that I grew from the fruit (by accident) over two years ago -I wonder if and when that will ever produce fruit?!Related to the Rambutan.
Keep it pruned short so it droops like weeping willow, grow it out in direct Equatorial sunlight with good water.
Probably five-ten years.
WOW! Thank you for the info. :)
I have it on top of the fridge in a large pot of its own now, its about seven inches tall and has a few leaves -although they are going a bit brown and it looks like it may be dying. I water it with boiled tap water once a week or so. The leaves used to be very glossy and pretty that was when it lived on the window sill in the kitchen near the sink however...
I had an onion growing out of the bottom of a cabinet once. It kinda got left there, and pretty soon, it had taken root. Devil of a time getting the damn thing out...
Same thing happened to us but with a potatoe (poe-tay-toe). I felt sorry for it so it lives in a pot of its own now, although it too is dying -I should put it back in the cupboard...
Potatoes are agoraphobic? Ohh -I should call it Sigourney! :D
THIS THREAD RULES!
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Trilobites? You have trilobites? What era? I know here in the UK, over in Dudley, a lot of Silurian trilobites used to turn up in gardens from limestone bedrock, to the point where 'The Dudley Bug' even found its way onto the town arms.
Originally Australia (our little bit anyway) had large volcanic mud and Clay shallows where tides wash in and out so we had Trilobites (the Fossils I have seen are mineralized black in Aluminium rich Kaolin beds) and fossil Seaplants in a shallow sea (about a foot or two deep and every so often new clay would bubble up from volcanoes nearby and layer over the clay.
The Seaplant is still growing in these parts so it is very ancient species...its also a fossil so all the way back to the Trillobites which is why the Fossils of the Plants are worth about a Million on the Blackmarket, and there were son guys sniffing arround for the trillobite fossils...
WOW! Thank you for the info. :)I have it on top of the fridge in a large pot of its own now, its about seven inches tall and has a few leaves -although they are going a bit brown and it looks like it may be dying. I water it with boiled tap water once a week or so. The leaves used to be very glossy and pretty that was when it lived on the window sill in the kitchen near the sink however...
Um...Try for a webpage from the Queensland University...GOOGLE Lychees and Rambutans.
And if you need fertilizer...(AHEM: Pee in a Bucket and water it down before use).
I wasn't aware you were running for mayor. I'm sorry you didn't win because that would be one wild town to visit. :)
Which Bit...the bit where five bull queers grabbed a tourist off the mainstreet and raped him in a dark alley? The bit where one of my cousins having just worked his first shift in his first job got drunk and killed himself in a car accident. The bit where 75.5% of the voters decided that Alcoholism and exploitation of the weak by Retailers wasn't their problem? The bit where the Government is looking the other way on pretty much every corporate crime because they dont want to scare off private enterprise, or the bit where if the bad stuff continues - there will be Secret Police on CBD rooftops with fifty calibre rifles and night vision goggles?
Of course they dont quite get it...they "Dry Towned" Katherine and the problems there continued...because they didnt ban the sale of Alcohol, just the hours you could have it-no longer 24 hours - now lunch to evening.
I wasn't aware you were running for mayor. I'm sorry you didn't win because that would be one wild town to visit. :)Which Bit...the bit where five bull queers grabbed a tourist off the mainstreet and raped him in a dark alley? The bit where one of my cousins having just worked his first shift in his first job got drunk and killed himself in a car accident. The bit where 75.5% of the voters decided that Alcoholism and exploitation of the weak by Retailers wasn't...
No... the passionate, sometimes seemingly random bursts of information from the mayor himself. It's kinda wild. :) Much more interesting than US politics. Seems like you're not the kind of person to fail to speak your mind, regardless of what you're thinking or what other people are saying around you at the time.
"Dingo, it's kind of rainy out there today. I'm glad I didn't plan for..."
"--Sandwiches are the devil."
"W... what?"
"Why are we still eating sandwiches? You don't believe that earl of sandwich BS, do you? Great, now we have to suffer folkloric imperialism as well? Screw sandwich, I'm renaming it... the bread grip."
"... seems sensible."
"I know it does."
And the next thing you know... we're all chomping away on bread grips. I'd have voted for you.
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No... the passionate, sometimes seemingly random bursts of information from the mayor himself. It's kinda wild. :) Much more interesting than US politics. Seems like you're not the kind of person to fail to speak your mind, regardless of what you're thinking or what other people are saying around you at the time."Dingo, it's kind of rainy out there today. I'm glad I didn't plan for..."
"--Sandwiches are the devil."
"W... what?"
"Why are we still eating sandwiches? You don't believe that earl of sandwich BS, do you? Great, now we have to suffer folkloric imperialism as well? Screw sandwich, I'm renaming it... the bread grip."
"... seems sensible."
"I know it does."And the next thing you know... we're all chomping away on bread grips. I'd have voted for you.
Nah! I bake my own bread...I'm a Breadist!!!
So in the days that followed the announcement of the new Mayor...oddly he turned out to be my fifth grade teacher...(god he got old)...a riot as the Museum was robbed of valuable art by an itinerant...a gang of street kids went on a violent bender looting and robbing and assaulting Adults at a shopping centre... a womans badly beaten body was dumped meters from a Police Station...followed the next Day by a Man who was found dead meters from a second police station...So it doesnt just get wild...it gets nasty...and to think I was planning to cure unemployment by ditching the subcontractors who mow lawns and sweep streets for fourty million a year and employ all the unemployed on the same budget...to sweep the streets by hand and mow the gardens with tools they would take home...like Apprentice Mechanics.
But hey! Four years of Anarchy and then I get to run again as "Rome Burns".
That town/city certainly seems to have its share of violent crime. Where exactly are we talking about (just so I know to pack a billy club in case I ever go there)?
At first I was confused be the part of your suggested work-fare program that involved not giving people tools for the job, but I guess you meant brooms instead of street cleaning vehicles... small, personally owned mowers opposed to big rider mowers and the like. But if folks are unemployed they probably can't afford nice brooms or new mowers... so do you hire only those who already have the equipment or do you give them the equipment and make them buy it back through future earnings? There's always the option of the town spending a few grand and just supplying these folks with equipment that remains town owned.
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Considering I got 2.6% of the vote in the Mayoral Thing (that was everyone interested in human rights- 35.5% broke the law and failed to vote, 10% didnt vote proper and got rejected-and the one likely to get in is the Lady who doesnt feel safe walking the streets so she wants a "flying Squad"-a band of cops who go about abducting and assaulting hoodlums, itinerants, and other trouble makers) I got to find something to do.
When China Mieville ran for the House of Commons, he only got about 2% of the vote. It just proves that cool people never win office.
And if you think your town is bad, you should visit my family's ancestral home.
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I had an onion growing out of the bottom of a cabinet once. It kinda got left there, and pretty soon, it had taken root. Devil of a time getting the damn thing out...Same thing happened to us but with a potatoe (poe-tay-toe). I felt sorry for it so it lives in a pot of its own now, although it too is dying -I should put it back in the cupboard...
Potatoe? Oh, wait, you're English... Spelling 'n' all that...
lol grats on your uhm fruit growth hehe
i heard that pistachios take like 8 years or something like that to produce fruit.
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I wasn't aware you were running for mayor. I'm sorry you didn't win because that would be one wild town to visit. :)Which Bit...the bit where five bull queers grabbed a tourist off the mainstreet and raped him in a dark alley? The bit where one of my cousins having just worked his first shift in his first job got drunk and killed himself in a car accident. The bit where 75.5% of the voters decided that Alcoholism and exploitation of the weak by Retailers wasn't...No... the passionate, sometimes seemingly random bursts of information from the mayor himself. It's kinda wild. :) Much more interesting than US politics. Seems like you're not the kind of person to fail to speak your mind, regardless of what you're thinking or what other people are saying around you at the time.
"Dingo, it's kind of rainy out there today. I'm glad I didn't plan for..."
"--Sandwiches are the devil."
"W... what?"
"Why are we still eating sandwiches? You don't believe that earl of sandwich BS, do you? Great, now we have to suffer folkloric imperialism as well? Screw sandwich, I'm renaming it... the bread grip."
"... seems sensible."
"I know it does."And the next thing you know... we're all chomping away on bread grips. I'd have voted for you.
And this, my droogies, is why I stay on the messageboards.
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Considering I got 2.6% of the vote in the Mayoral Thing (that was everyone interested in human rights- 35.5% broke the law and failed to vote, 10% didnt vote proper and got rejected-and the one likely to get in is the Lady who doesnt feel safe walking the streets so she wants a "flying Squad"-a band of cops who go about abducting and assaulting hoodlums, itinerants, and other trouble makers) I got to find something to do.When China Mieville ran for the House of Commons, he only got about 2% of the vote. It just proves that cool people never win office.
And if you think your town is bad, you should visit my family's ancestral home.
Well Potatoe Famine to ya Mr Shiny! Meaneys come from OMAGH (Hence the original form of the name (O'Maghra)) Two Thousand Years Ago my Name would have been Seanin (I Prefer the Greek-Xi, and the Chinese Xian and Chang'an) O'Maghra.
Oops! A name straight off a 2000 year old traderoute...I'm named after a city in China. That makes me older than Jesus.
And remember we are not Speaking English...we are Speaking Commonwealth...and the USA is Speaking Colonial.
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That town/city certainly seems to have its share of violent crime. Where exactly are we talking about (just so I know to pack a billy club in case I ever go there)?
At first I was confused be the part of your suggested work-fare program that involved not giving people tools for the job, but I guess you meant brooms instead of street cleaning vehicles... small, personally owned mowers opposed to big rider mowers and the like. But if folks are unemployed they probably can't afford nice brooms or new mowers... so do you hire only those who already have the equipment or do you give them the equipment and make them buy it back through future earnings? There's always the option of the town spending a few grand and just supplying these folks with equipment that remains town owned.
Cageily: "Darwin?"
And yes that was the Idea to provide them with the tools of their trade Along with surveilance cameras so they work as secret police...heh!
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That town/city certainly seems to have its share of violent crime. Where exactly are we talking about (just so I know to pack a billy club in case I ever go there)?
It was once said of Darwin that it’s the place people end up when they have no where else to run to. I think a lot has changed since that was said though.
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Even the History Entry is Prophaganda...It wasnt just the "Larakia" settled in the area Five hundred years ago...there was a Major spread of tribes across the city escarpment (a dozen freakin tribes huddled together on the rainforst covered high ground - should have been a warning) while Islamic settlers had built a Port with a Mosque on the low land across the bay (and subsequently were wiped from existance by tidal wave, cyclones, malaria plague, angry natives, etc) - I have one of the three surviving artefacts proving Islamic Colonization. The rest were destroyed by Christian Fundamentalist Historians in charge The other two pieces were cut in half from the original.
So as you visit the Wikipedia site:
PROPHAGANDA WARNING: PRO-CHRISTIAN VERSION OF DARWIN/NT/AUSTRALIAN HISTORY!
They seem to have skimmed over the shelling of the original Darwin settlement by a British naval ship(to quell a Riot - not that that is an indicator of "once a city of malcontents, always a city of malcontents").
My home this is!
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And if you think your town is bad, you should visit my family's ancestral home.Well Potatoe Famine to ya Mr Shiny! Meaneys come from OMAGH (Hence the original form of the name (O'Maghra)) Two Thousand Years Ago my Name would have been Seanin (I Prefer the Greek-Xi, and the Chinese Xian and Chang'an) O'Maghra.
Oops! A name straight off a 2000 year old traderoute...I'm named after a city in China. That makes me older than Jesus.
And remember we are not Speaking English...we are Speaking Commonwealth...and the USA is Speaking Colonial.
Exactly. British imperialism screwed the world. Well, except for Canada. They're cool.
I say chop it down. Trees are only good for making paper.
(*grins and waits to see who gets outraged first...*)
Exactly. British imperialism screwed the world. Well, except for Canada. They're cool.
Or dragged it kicking and screaming into the modern age. Depending on whom one chooses to hate, of course.
Its a Hybridised Lemon-Mandarin (Landarin? Memon?) 18 years for a sour Mandarin...
Where is my Effing Chainsaw? G$%!$$n Marmalade Fodder!
Very sorry to hear this, Dingo. I hope it's at least a pretty Memon tree.
