Can't Teach an Old Dog (or New Editions Make Rules Lawyers and Grognards Cry)


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Thank to Charles Evans for pointing out in chat about extremists and Xtremists.

The same assumption can be made with people who hate almost anything. Take snowboarding as an example. People who go to an Olympics chat room to spread hate about snowboarding are probably either too poor (not enough time, bad location, etc) to play, have perfected their boards and don't want to change them or they're the old guards of winter sports and see any event where players have to be tested for THC as a 'performance enhancer' as an abomination to snow itself.

(I'm also beginning to suspect that many of the 4E bashers don't like D&D in any of its incarnations and are just using a new edition as an excuse to crawl out of the woodwork, especially the nonsubscribing 'FLGS supporters' here. However, that's a topic for another thread.)

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Heathansson wrote:

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I object to that flagrant troll baiting! How dare you come into a place I might frequent and say such demeaning and untrue things.

The, the rage I feel right now can not be expressed in mere words.

RAwraaooooooorrrrraaaaarrrrrghh!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm playing volleyball with a dead carp.


Heathansson wrote:

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I'm playing volleyball with a dead carp.

Oh. oh. Me! Me!

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Agh. That's disgusting. Not just dead but decomposing.

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I gotta drive home. Archlich, you bump it when it flushes outta the top 10 again.


Takasi wrote:

Thank to Charles Evans for pointing out in chat about extremists and Xtremists.

The same assumption can be made with people who hate almost anything. Take snowboarding as an example. People who go to an Olympics chat room to spread hate about snowboarding are probably either too poor (not enough time, bad location, etc) to play, have perfected their boards and don't want to change them or they're the old guards of winter sports and see any event where players have to be tested for THC as a 'performance enhancer' as an abomination to snow itself.

(I'm also beginning to suspect that many of the 4E bashers don't like D&D in any of its incarnations and are just using a new edition as an excuse to crawl out of the woodwork, especially the nonsubscribing 'FLGS supporters' here. However, that's a topic for another thread.)

Takasi:

You omit to mention that I raised the question of whether or not just because someone weeps, that automatically means that they *hate* something. People may weep for other reasons than hatred.... grief, pity, even joy.


Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Takasi:

You omit to mention that I raised the question of whether or not just because someone weeps, that automatically means that they *hate* something. People may weep for other reasons than hatred.... grief, pity, even joy.

People who are angry weep, therefore anyone who weeps is angry. In the same fashion, extremist grognards, rules lawyers and the unfortunate will not play new rule systems, therefore if you don't play you must be one of the three. At least, that's the conclusion others are making.

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Real grognards don't cry. We're too tough.

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Heathansson wrote:

Real grognards don't cry. We're too tough.

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I dunno, I've seen some PRETTY grognardly people (often GMs/DMs!) openly weep after rolling a slew of Natural 1s...

Scarab Sages

Heathansson wrote:

Real grognards don't cry. We're too tough.

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Damn skippy!

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CEBrown wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

Real grognards don't cry. We're too tough.

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I dunno, I've seen some PRETTY grognardly people (often GMs/DMs!) openly weep after rolling a slew of Natural 1s...

Grognardly? Pauggh. They were posers.


Heathansson wrote:
Real grognards don't cry. We're too tough.

That's too bad for WotC. They heard grognard tears cure 3.5.

Or maybe that was cancer and someone else.


Takasi wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Real grognards don't cry. We're too tough.

That's too bad for WotC. They heard grognard tears cure 3.5.

Or maybe that was cancer and someone else.

Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried. Ever.


Chuck Norris once kicked a horse in the chin. Its decendants are known today as Giraffes.


If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can't see Chuck Norris, you may be only seconds away from death.

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You're messing with the wrong guy, man.


Chuck Norris does not have chin under his beard, it's another fist!


I'm a rules lawyer. Example: the first post in this thread should probably list druid instead of scout, since scouts don't have much errata; there's been a little bit of clarification on Skirmish, and some omitted class skills were officially added back in, but nothing has seen more errata than Wild Shape.

I am absolutely looking forward to 4e.

Being a rules lawyer doesn't mean we love rules for rules' sake. Rules lawyers don't love GURPS because it has a lot of rules; rules lawyers love GURPS because it has a lot of GOOD rules. Are there good rules in 3e? Absolutely. Are there bad rules in 3e? You better believe it.

4e is like one great, huge errata for us, in many ways. Like 3.5, really.


I grognard
I hate
I smash
I cry


I am totally a power gamer and I am looking forward to the complete awesomeness of 4E!

Not saying that one has to be a power gamer to enjoy 4e... but it helps.


Heathansson wrote:

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What he said.


Chuck Norris will chop 4e into 2.0.

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CourtFool wrote:
Chuck Norris will chop 4e into 2.0.

You're my HERO.


They had to add a 6th plane to 4e just for all the lame chuck norris jokes. Then god said, "let there be points of light" and chuck norris said "say please".


I heard they put Chuck Norris in Elder Evils, but when the first draft was printed, it roundhouse kicked the reader's head clean off. The R&D team revised the book accordingly. No one knows where that first draft is to this day...

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Korgoth wrote:
They had to add a 6th plane to 4e just for all the lame chuck norris jokes. Then god said, "let there be points of light" and chuck norris said "say please".

Points of light are the last thing you see when Chuck Norris spin kicks you in the yapper.


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Going back to another group who will refuse to play 4th edition: society's rejects. These people resent young kids with their fancy new sneakers and the PC world of today that has shielded new players from nerd persecution. With their interwebs, forum boards and gleespaces, today's youth have far too many places to shout "I'm here, I roll dice, get used to it!" From their Magic cards to their Lord of the Rings movie to their MMOs, they have what the outcasts of yesteryear could only dream of: a society that's more accepting of geekdom.

4th edition should be a failure. It should be ridiculed and mocked by the masses, and anyone who plays it should be dragged into the streets by their underwear and swirlied until they hand in their pocket protectors for good. D&D cool? Never!

They look back on their D&D years with shame and regret. Now that a new edition is on the horizon, their crusade begins to destroy the system that scarred them...

Liberty's Edge

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Takasi wrote:

Going back to another group who will refuse to play 4th edition: society's rejects. These people resent young kids with their fancy new sneakers and the PC world of today that has shielded new players from nerd persecution. With their fancy interwebs, today's youth can sit at home and proudly say "I'm here, I roll dice, get used to it!" From their Magic cards to their Lord of the Rings movie to their MMOs, they have what the outcasts of yesteryear could only dream of: a society that's more accepting of geekdom.

4th edition should be a failure. It should be ridiculed and mocked by the masses, and anyone who plays it should be dragged into the streets by their underwear and swirlied until they hand in their pocket protectors for good. D&D cool? Never!

They look back on their D&D years with shame and regret. Now that a new edition is on the horizon, their crusade begins to destroy the system that scarred them...

I've got no idea by now if there's anyone that you haven't insulted, Takasi, but just in case you haven't, what about people who do not know a language that 4th edition will be printed in?


Charles Evans 25 wrote:
I've got no idea by now if there's anyone that you haven't insulted, Takasi, but just in case you haven't, what about people who do not know a language that 4th edition will be printed in?

We already mentioned the poor.

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The Exchange

Takasi wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:
I've got no idea by now if there's anyone that you haven't insulted, Takasi, but just in case you haven't, what about people who do not know a language that 4th edition will be printed in?
We already mentioned the poor.

I suggest you add socialists since a major theme seems to be that WotC is not allowed to profit of the backs of the people that buy their games.

You could also add the illuminati since they can deflect attention away from the real evil of this world by focusing so much hatred at a game company and their questionable PR practices.

Liberty's Edge

Now see, Takasi? That's how you do it.


If Troll finds 4e players he will rip them limp from limp and eat them. This is his nature because he is Troll.

The Troll


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Chuck Norris doesn’t sleep. He waits.

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beat ya to it Heathsson (I don't know why)

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Chuck Norris ain't got a chin under his beard. It's a fist. ;)

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