Ooh... and maybe I'd steal his "Bond girl" from him first ("steal" as in "poach," not "steal" like kidnap--just to clarify). Nobody's done that, that I know of.Wow, kidnap Bonds momentary girl, that is evil. If you could pull that off you would go down in Bond history.
See, the Bond girls get kidnapped in like every movie, but Bond always rescues them. The chicks never just blatantly ditch him, of their own free will, for another guy. I'd want to be that guy. ("sorry, James. Obviously you have no shortage of female companionship: you've picked up, what, four girls so far this movie? But this one just happens to have a brain. And she likes me better." James Bond tries for a witty comeback but just ends up stuttering.)
A huge Bond fan here, arriving late to the discussion sadly. I had several problems with Casino. Those aside, I thought the film to be solid and a decent addition to the series.
My main problem with the movie was the billing as "Bond's FIRST operation." Those who know Bond's history know that he began work during the Cold War. Had the movie writers & director set the film in the 1950's or 1960's, This would have jived with Bond's history. Stupidly, they instead set the movie in today's present world, in effect eliminating Bond's history in the latter half of the 20th century. I can comprehend reasons for them doing this, but I think it would have been better to merely do the movie as they did, and simply bill it as "the next Bond movie", rather than his first adventure.
In line with the reason I've just listed, the technology available to Bond in the movie should have also been from the 1950's or 60's if the movie writers and director were going to make the movie Bon'd "first adventure".
Ultimately, this was a good overall movie. Daniel Craig is not the caliber of Bond, as is Connery, Moore, or Dalton. I'd put him behind Brosnan as well, leaving only George Lazenby as a more Inferior Bond than is. Craig doesn't look the part, nor does he have the indescrible "UMF" that the character of Bond not only possesses but epitomizes.
Since some have ventured opinions on the best Actor and movie in the series, I'll put in my two cents.
I'd rank Connery and Moore as roughly equal as the best two, followed by Dalton as a close 3rd.
I'd rank the Bond movies in two ways: First, the best from a story, plot, and acting standpoint (thus the true best movies); and Second: the Bond movies I most enjoy watching, which aren't necessarily the best Bond film from a "movie standpoint".
The Best Bond Films are: 1. For Your Eyes Only-the difinitive espionage/spy film; 2. The Living Daylights; and 3. From Russia With Love
The Bond Films I most enjoy watching: 1. Octopussy (eye candy and I grew up with it); 2. Diamonds are Forever; and 3. The World is Not Enough.
Also mentioned by other posters, the best Bond villain character is Zorin, played by Christopher Walken in View to a Kill. The character Jaws, played by Richard Kiel is a close second.
I don't really like to compare my Bonds because it detracts from my enjoyment.
Personally, I kind of reset every time a new Bond comes in, and I've been doing it from the beginning. The first Bond I saw in the theater was Roger Moore and I think my stepping back from actor changes follows hearing my dad gripe about the loss of Connery - without really thinking about it I realized different kinds of Bond isn't a big deal.
That said, the Daniel Craig reboot really doesn't bother me at all, in fact I kind of like the rough edges and the feeling that there is something savage inside - it's a new turn on the story and kind of rekindles it for me.
And 'erasing' the history of Bond doesn't really bother me either. It's fun, I think, to start again from the beginning on a fresh slate. But then I'm interested in 4E, too.
And another vote for Christopher Walken as the best villian. F&+& I love that guy. He's like a turn-of-the-century Vincent Price... just creepy.
Honey Ryder, best Bond girl.
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Hey everyone, late to the discussion, but huge fan of Bond.
Personally, I thought Casino Royale was highly enjoyable (Craig was good enough to make me overlook his un-Bond looks).
And well said, Kruelaid! Each Bond movie is a vacuum. I like to think of each movie or short groups of movies as snapshots in this characters epic life. He is kind of like Hercules or Odysseus - no way he did all those things, but it is fun to pretend!
I think Bond breaks the fanboy mold in that the fanboy attitude of "understanding the sequence of events and details of something" doesn't apply - Bond literally breaks fanboy brains, and I love it. (But aside from fanboy dislike...)
As for a Bond role I would like to play? Probably villain - really, you can get away with anything as an actor playing a Bond villain.
My favorite villain: one for each "era":
Connery - Dr. No
Moore/Dalton - Franz Sanchez
Brosnan - Alec Trevelyan
Favorite Bond: Dalton - the most realistic and accurate to date (though Craig has a chance at that title).
Edit: Noticed Kruelaid comment on Best Bond Girl. Mine: Melina Havelock (For Your Eyes Only).
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This is gonna rub people the wrong way, but in my opinion, the best Bond was Timothy Dalton. I guess that I felt Dalton was closest to the Bond in the novels.
Touche, Mr. Shiny! The best moment in any Bond film (in my opinion) is in Licence to Kill when Della tosses Bond the "bouquet" and he says no.
Brosnan - Alec Trevelyan
Oh, I totally forgot that guy. Awesome. Played by Sean Bean.
I guess that I felt Dalton was closest to the Bond in the novels.
Am I wrong to get some sense of underlying cruelty off of Dalton? Whatever, I liked him.
And like a lot of the Bond movie lovers, I've never read the books. It's amazing how so many Bond fans just think of it as a movie and forget where they come from.
I liked Dalton for the role, actually, I just think he got saddled with some bad scripts, which honestly was already starting with the Moore era (A View to a Kill, for example . . . )
Ultimately, this was a good overall movie. Daniel Craig is not the caliber of Bond, as is Connery, Moore, or Dalton. I'd put him behind Brosnan as well, leaving only George Lazenby as a more Inferior Bond than is. Craig doesn't look the part, nor does he have the indescrible "UMF" that the character of Bond not only possesses but epitomizes.
WHAT?!?!? You have got to be kidding me. The Bond I read about was a tall, scary man, with cruel eyes. Brosnan is an effete pretty boy who couldn't intimidate a fruit salad. With Craig, I was actually SCARED of a James Bond for the first time since a young Sean Connery(who really wasn't SCARY scary, just frighteningly competent.) Moore gets props for being the original, but Dalton was utterly laughable as a Bond.
I made an effort when I was younger to read the Bond books, and since Casino Royale was the first, that was the one I read. I think Craig pulled the "scary Bond" vibe I got from the book quite well, and the script writers managed to update the Cold War story to a new era quite well.
Edit: Noticed Kruelaid comment on Best Bond Girl. Mine: Melina Havelock (For Your Eyes Only).
Oh, man! Carole Bouquet. That woman was incredible. Seen most of her movies. There's been no other actress I've liked as much until I saw Zoe Bell in "Death Proof."
1. Lazenby (I know, I know... but I still like him!)
2. Craig (but then again, I'm always excited when there's a new actor)
3. Pre-hairpiece Connery
4. Brosnan (esp. the first 2 he did, as I said before)
5. Moore (actually liked him better in his last 3 than his first ones)
6. Dalton (dunno why I don't like him more)
7. Post-hairpiece Connery
Favorite villain: The crazy German forensic specialist in Tomorrow Never Dies: "Believe me, I could shoot you from Stuttgart and still create the proper effect!"
Eileen's Picks
1. Connery
2. Brosnan
3. Craig
4. Lazenby
5. Moore
6. Dalton
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Favorite villain: The crazy German forensic specialist in Tomorrow Never Dies: "Believe me, I could shoot you from Stuttgart and still create the proper effect!"
Dr. Kaufman I presume. Not just forensics, but torture too. That was a cool element of the movie that was underused. He probably could have been a main villain (I liked how the henchman tried to avenge him).
As for "poaching" the henchmen, not quite what you meant, but there are a few instances where the villain offs Bond's girl while he is "on watch": OHMSS, Live and Let Die (Rosie), Tomorrow Never Dies.
Probably the closest to what you mean would be Die Another Day, but she was bad to begin with and was never really with Bond (same with Thunderball). Nope, once you go Bond, you never go back.
Just got back from Hancock, and got the new Quantum of Solace trailer. Unfortunately, I couldn't enjoy it fulling because I had to tell a stupid teenager behind me to shut up.
Stupid teenager! Probably worked for S.P.E.C.T.R.E
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Just got back from Hancock, and got the new Quantum of Solace trailer. Unfortunately, I couldn't enjoy it fulling because I had to tell a stupid teenager behind me to shut up.
I foudn the trailer through a link on Sci-Fi channel's website. It was pretty cool, and has me even more excited to see the movie than I was.
Saw the trailer for Quantum of Solace.....got the feeling they are introducing S.P.E.C.T.R.E.....hope I'm right! Anyone else see it? What do you think?
Saw the trailer for Quantum of Solace.....got the feeling they are introducing S.P.E.C.T.R.E.....hope I'm right! Anyone else see it? What do you think?
OK, this is my first post in this thread, but I love the Bond films and books. However, I have not seen Casino Royale, although I will soon. Especially after seeing the preview of Quantum of Solace during the most recent Mummy movie. I have heard nothing but great reviews of the Casino, so I'm hoping this is a return to the original bond back when Sean Connery played him.
Yes, I am a Connery fan. Diamonds Are Forever is still one of my favorites of his, although You Only Live Twice is probably my all time favorite.
With regards to the quoted question, I didn't notice anything in the preview that would bring SPECTRE back, but here's to hoping. I think that part of the problem with the movies after Diamonds was that Bond finally got his revenge against Blofeld, SPECTRE was defeated, and there was nothing linking the future Bond movies together. From that point on, it was a random collection of madmen that he was forced to defeat (although The Man with the Golden Gun was a great mano-a-mano type of action movie).
Funny though that in the Ian Flemming books, SPECTRE didn't appear until much later. It was SMERSH that Bond was playing against in a more Spy vs. Spy type game.
Anyway, I think I am babbling now. I plan on going into town today to pick up the complete James Bond set on DVD to replace my aging tape collection. ^_^
Despite both of his movies being on the "worst" list for me, I actually didn't think Timothy Dalton was a bad Bond. The problem was that Timothy Dalton inherited the "we don't know what to do with Bond" era scripts that marked the end of Roger Moore's tenure.
Timothy Dalton was my second-favorite Bond, right after Connery, because I was a fan of the novels and he fits Bond's description in the novels better than anyone else so far. He's also a good actor.
Unfortunately, as you mentioned, he was saddled with two of the worst Bond scripts ever. I actually liked The Living Daylights, but since that script was written before the producers knew who was going to play Bond, it didn't match Dalton's take on the character.
I would have liked to see Dalton reprise the role in Goldeneye, but what actor is going to wait around five years while the producers resolve court battles? He had to get on with his career.
I liked part of the movie Never Say Never Again. What I didn't like is the introduction, the villain was redone from a former movie Thunderball.
The whole movie was a remake of Thunderball - that's the only way it could get made. Fleming co-wrote the original novel with a screenwriter named Kevin McCrory, as it was the first Bond book intended for a screen adaptation. However, Fleming ended up in court with McCrory over the rights, and they ended up with joint rights to that story alone.
With regards to the quoted question, I didn't notice anything in the preview that would bring SPECTRE back, but here's to hoping. I think that part of the problem with the movies after Diamonds was that Bond finally got his revenge against Blofeld, SPECTRE was defeated, and there was nothing linking the future Bond movies together. From that point on, it was a random collection of madmen that he was forced to defeat (although The Man with the Golden Gun was a great mano-a-mano type of action movie).
Funny though that in the Ian Flemming books, SPECTRE didn't appear until much later. It was SMERSH that Bond was playing against in a more Spy vs. Spy type game.
Anyway, I think I am babbling now. I plan on going into town today to pick up the complete James Bond set on DVD to replace my aging tape collection. ^_^
Or it could easily been introducing SMERSH. I got that feeling from the trailer scene where some guy is describing in a cryptic sort of way....the organization he belongs to. Watch the first few scenes of the trailer and tell me what you think.
Or it could easily been introducing SMERSH. I got that feeling from the trailer scene where some guy is describing in a cryptic sort of way....the organization he belongs to and how no one would know they are there.
I must have missed that part of the trailer. Of course, it could have been that I was paying too much attention at the time too, drooling over the fact that there was another Bond movie coming out and it actually continued a story rather than became another one parter.... ^_^
Or it could easily been introducing SMERSH. I got that feeling from the trailer scene where some guy is describing in a cryptic sort of way....the organization he belongs to and how no one would know they are there.I must have missed that part of the trailer. Of course, it could have been that I was paying too much attention at the time too, drooling over the fact that there was another Bond movie coming out and it actually continued a story rather than became another one parter.... ^_^
Does this mean we can do the happy dance?
"Now it is the time on Sprockets when we dance."
Sorry... Mike Meyer's reference...
Let's hope they continue this trend though. I like tie-ins with movies. Anime spoiled me like that I suppose.
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Or it could easily been introducing SMERSH. I got that feeling from the trailer scene where some guy is describing in a cryptic sort of way....the organization he belongs to. Watch the first few scenes of the trailer and tell me what you think.
SMERSH was a Beria operation in Stalin's time. It was deactivated years ago.
"Quantum" is the new evil organization. It replaces SPECTRE, which of course replaced SMERSH after the latter became passe.
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"Quantum" is the new evil organization. It replaces SPECTRE, which of course replaced SMERSH after the latter became passe.
And I suspect Quantum will be a modernized Spectre in everything but name (and even name in a way) - a cabal of evil terrorists controlled by a a supervillain. I don't care if they use Spectre again (and I think the McClory incident still prevents that unless things have changed): What I want is Bond versus an organization over a series of movies in the same spirit of Spectre.
And I loved the slow-boil introduction in Casino, and apparently even in QoS they continue the trend of not revealing too much.
Look at the Connery movies, it took 5 movies for Bond to finally confront Blofeld (or even learn he existed). Never understood why they didn't keep Goldfinger as a SPECTRE member, since he was in the book...
I believe the new Bond movie comes out NOV 14th, anyone going besides me? I like to sit in the center of the 4th row.
Luckily, that Stephanie Meyers chick-movie premiers around the same time. If we play our cards right, while the girls go in there while happily munching their popcorn and dreaming of chaste teenage vampire love, houstonderek and I can dart off to the side and hit the Bond movie instead.
Luckily, that Stephanie Meyers chick-movie premiers around the same time. If we play our cards right, while the girls go in there while happily munching their popcorn and dreaming of chaste teenage vampire love, houstonderek and I can dart off to the side and hit the Bond movie instead.
Can I join you with the Bond movie? :D
Can I join you with the Bond movie? :D
All are welcome. Just don't let the ushers catch you sneaking in cookies; they want you to buy $27 popcorn instead.
Or, with luck, I'll catch it at the Alamo Draft House, and be able to have an appropriately-named pint or two of Arrogant Bastard ale to go with my movie.
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Can I join you with the Bond movie? :DAll are welcome. Just don't let the ushers catch you sneaking in cookies; they want you to buy $27 popcorn instead.
Or, with luck, I'll catch it at the Alamo Draft House, and be able to have an appropriately-named pint or two of Arrogant Bastard ale to go with my movie.
Kirth, um, you know, we don't have to go to the same theater as the ladies...
Drafthouse gets my vote, and we can drop in on midnight comics afterwards to boot ;)
I believe the new Bond movie comes out NOV 14th, anyone going besides me? I like to sit in the center of the 4th row.
I will be seeing it that Friday at around 12 noon or 1 pm. Stupid 4 pm to midnight shi(f)t. ~grimaces~
I'll miss opening weekend because of work, so I'll see it on the Monday.
Your right that new song was horrible.
Went this afternoon. In a nut shell, I am a huge Bond fan, I have all the movies on tape or DVD, a little bit of Bond memorbila, and I'm a huge Top Secret/S.I. fan.
I thought this was the worst Bond movie I have ever seen for numerous reasons and I can't wait for this guy's contract to end. Bottom Line.
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Went this afternoon. In a nut shell, I am a huge Bond fan, I have all the movies on tape or DVD, a little bit of Bond memorbila, and I'm a huge Top Secret/S.I. fan.
I thought this was the worst Bond movie I have ever seen for numerous reasons and I can't wait for this guy's contract to end. Bottom Line.
I don't think we're looking at Moonraker here.
Could you give your top 3 gripes about the movie? I'll counter with the top 3 things I liked.