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Nate thought it would be a good idea to make this thread so that current players as well as potential players can talk about what they expect out of the game, what types of rules are being played and pretty much anything else we want to keep out of the real thread so that the story keeps moving without interruptions.

Here are the things I want to keep in the game:

  • Dice rolls all handled DM side. This, I feel, keeps the game very narrative. The rules don't get in the way of the story, but still govern actions.
  • Focus of the game being on roleplaying, not fighting. Fighting is one of the weakest aspect of PbP D&D because of it's speed, while roleplaying is enhanced because you can actually describe things much more clearly, and in your own time.
  • Daily check-ins. I would like to see all players at least once a day post. This keeps the game moving and doesn't cause other players to be forced to wait more than a single day.
  • Constant formating. I don't really care what format you choose to use, but just make sure that all your posts use it and that it is easy to see what are thoughts, actions and speech.

As for the feel or theme of the game, I'm trying to go for a larger region feel. I'm planing for my campaign to stretch from The Great Dale all the way to Cormyr, and will try to attempt to make each region have it's own feel in an attempt to immerse the player more fully into the Forgotten Realms world.

Ok, that's it for the first post. Please discuss!

Stefan


Male Human Fighter 1

I wouldn't be so quick to count out combat. For example I picked a fighter so I could write about interesting fencing and fighting etc. I would however make all battles have some amount of meaning. No old school room to room dungeon hack. I think that threw practice we could get better at making the combat smooth an interesting to include in pbp. Say for example I have multiple attacks and I post that I direct all my attacks against a certain enemy. Said enemy drops after attack 2. I would have no problem with you writing what I do with any remaining attacks I have for my character. I'm sure other ideas will present them selves as we all gain more exp with pbp.


Yeah, combat will always have to play a role in the game, and a strong one at that, but I think with PbP D&D it should be much more even with actually talking with people. I do have some interesting ideas for some cool combats that PbP actually makes a lot easier, but I want to keep them in the bag for now. Also, we've yet to actually try out combat so we'll see how it goes when it comes up.

Stefan


I just wanted to pop my head in, wave, and say something creepy like "I'm watching you!"

Good to see you're still around Stefan, even if you're on the far right side of the globe. Summer after this we want to head over that way ourselves, but probably only for a month or so.

If you decide you want more people, and would lower yourselves to include me, I'd be interested. I could wave my character sheet at you from here and shout "let me tell you about my character!" We have a rooftop deck in our building, which hopefully will be tall enough for you to see from where you are.

Or maybe it would be better to email it.

-Mike


Proceed with e-mail transfer!

Oh, and include character concept.

Stefan


I would, but my email of yours is several versions old and now bounces. Send me your new email and I can use this new fangled technology. Until then I'll stick with waving it around from the roof.

Here's the basics (no stats or such are rolled), conceptually:

A youngish paladin that was raised in a very religious family and a very sheltered home life. As I've aged, the church elders decided that local work for the church at home wasn't the best fit for me currently and that exploring the world and seeing what's out there would be the best way for me to see what faith really meant and to disover my true calling. Even if that calling was to return home to help the same local church, it would be from a much more careful consideration.

I see the character as young, idealistic, and somewhat nieve. Smart (if the rolls work out), but seeing the world, and solutions to problems, as a bit more black-and-white than may always be practical until he becomes more worldly.

At first, I'd see responses from this character coming across like the annoying "typical" paladins from old. The more this doesn't result in expected results, the more the character will have to grow into more "human" choices of actions.

If something like that works, I'll put together a sheet and wave it from my roof for you to check out.

Or email, if I can get a more current email.


Male Human Fighter 1

Yea I like the idea of playing a Rashemi Fighter. Their culture is all about respecting someone's deeds not their wealth or what their birth status is. Plus their ritual Dagemma ( test of adulthood where they wander off into foreign lands to find themselves or somesuch) has a lot of fantasy heroic potential. I kind of based this character on the idea that you wanted a leadery type of guy. One of the few prestige classes, or classes other than bard, that has this feel is the Purple dragon knight. Comboed with the Rashemi dreadful wrath I have a cool guy that inspires fear in his enemies and courage in his allies (well when I get pally or knight for the latter).

So to answer your question It my plan to have him become a purple dragon knight and It would be nice if he spent atleast some time there (I need knowledge local corymer 8 to qualify for the class). Historically there are also some good reasons why I may have more interaction with the cormyrians. I don't know much about it (and maybe we could play threw it if you could find the material) but when the Tuigan horde from the endless wastes attacked they ran threw resheman and were on there way to cormyr. Because of this Azoun roused and army of cormyrians and allies to hold and eventually push the horselords back. (some of the info can be found in the races of fearun.)

Some physical characteristics :

Short for a warrior at 5'8"
Long black hair worn in a ponytail or braided. Worn out on special occasions.
Neatly trimmed full beard
Wears a thick fur pelt as a cloak ( potential story to play there here?)
Usually wears Buckskin Leathers when not wearing his chainmail ( or perhaps under his chainmail? not sure about how the armor fits.)

Like all Rashemi he if fond of all types of contests from races to drinking or bar fights to feats of strength etc. I also see myself loose with my coin because rashemi tend to favor deeds over wealth I don't see him being trained in managing his coin. I figure his generous and sometimes wild nature would get the better of him in this department.

Also I have a large investment in the intimidate skill. I think this combos well with the dreadful wrath ability. I think when it comes to evil I will use intimidate in the usual way. However, when intimidating other types I don't think he would nessacarly be threatening bodily harm. I would prefer to use intimidate in these instances as a contest of wills. I would want it to act exactly like the skill usually works. Gaining temporary compliance with the drawback that they will dislike me more after the use. After all who like being around someone that dominates them. I think this use of the skill fits more into my alignment. Please let me know if this doesn't fly for you because I consider this a core concept for the character.


Mike-

The character sounds good, with plenty of roleplaying potential and growth. I'll PM you my e-mail b/c I don't trust forums. I'm assuming Nate told you that we are using the honesty game for stat rolls. Just use the standard system. I would like to talk to you in an e-mail more about your character as to keep your method of introduction to the story a secret from you know who.

Nate-

I can also see beyond the "I'm big and scary. If you don't listen to me I'll kill you" version of intimidate, but only so far. I think it's very situational. Intimidating someone that is Evil or Chaotic (even CG) I would think would be perfectly acceptable. I rationalize you intimidating Chaotic Good people by forcing them so follow the law, which is just as important as being good from the Lawful Good perspective in my opinion. I think it's a little "iffy" to intimidate someone of the same Lawful Good alignment as you, and it's neighbors (NG, TN, LN). But, of course, it's purely situational. I could see you intimidating a Lawful Good Fighter from backing down from challenging you to a duel for instance. I think when Intimidate is not acceptable is pretty obvious. Intimidating a Priest of Ilmater into giving you information that is only privy to Church members is obviously not in your alignment. I think the whole issue it moot though. It'll all come out in the roleplaying. Oh, and not to be a knit-picker, but it's dajemma.

Oh, and one final word. Sorry for falling off the face of the earth for a day. I went out for "dinner" and didn't come back for a long, long time. My apologies.

Stefan


It seems that this forum is devoid of a PM function. I know I'm going to regret this.

dryingpole@gmail.com

Stefan


Stefan - I have your email now, so if it were me I'd delete your post above which now only serves to tell other people your email.

I'll put together some more thoughts and get them your way.


Male Human Fighter 1
Alkuin wrote:


I can also see beyond the "I'm big and scary. If you don't listen to me I'll kill you" version of intimidate, but only so far. I think it's very situational. Intimidating someone that is Evil or Chaotic (even CG) I would think would be perfectly acceptable. I rationalize you intimidating Chaotic Good people by forcing them so follow the law, which is just as important as being good from the Lawful Good perspective in my opinion. I think it's a little "iffy" to intimidate someone of the same Lawful Good alignment as you, and it's neighbors (NG, TN, LN). But, of course, it's purely situational. I could see you intimidating a Lawful Good Fighter from backing down from challenging you to a duel for instance. I think when Intimidate is not acceptable is pretty obvious. Intimidating a Priest of Ilmater into giving you information that is only privy to Church members is obviously not in your alignment. I think the whole issue it moot though. It'll all come out in the roleplaying. Oh, and not to be a knit-picker, but it's dajemma.
Stefan

I actually disagree with you on the priest example. If I felt it was my honor was on the line or felt that it was for the greater good (or my version there of) I would totally intimidate his ass! Sure he mightn't like me afterwards but so be it. I view it as a way to get npc's to change their minds without being nice about it (ie. diplomacy).


Hey, I was wondering what your guys schedules were like. Here are the times I'm planning on looking at the forum and updating at these times daily (first time is my time, second it your time):

10am (6pm)
2pm (10pm)
12am (8am)

Stefan


I have a pretty random schedule right now, so while I can check the site throughout a given day, the time I can check isn't reliable. Usually I can check it in the morning (between 6am-8am my time) but after that it's pretty much when I have a break between clients, then whenever I get home I could check it again (but I don't usually know when that will be until I'm on my way home, too).


Male Human Fighter 1

I usually check in the morning about 8:30 am and when I get back from work at about 5 or 6 pm and then later about 10 pm.

Alkuin, how much longer are we going to try this practice run? I'm getting antsy for some good old fashioned, forgotten realms action.


Here's another question to consider. How many players do you think we should aiming for once the game really gets rolling?

Stefan


Male Human Fighter 1
Alkuin wrote:

Here's another question to consider. How many players do you think we should aiming for once the game really gets rolling?

Stefan

2 or 3 more good solid players I would think.


I think since it's all somewhat experimental and "try out this PbP thing"-y, a smaller number may be a more useful start. 3 or so players I think would be great. 2 players seems a bit shy, but that's just me.


Male Human Paladin 1

Here's the char for you.


Male Human Paladin 1

Mynis - it may be useful-ish to post your character stats in your profile for easy reference. That way you can keep your character updated, and Stefan can just clicky on your mug to see what your current stats and things are. Clicky on my beautiful face for an example. I haven't put up the background info that Stefan and I have mailed back and forth, but it's at a start, there.

edit: I have put up a little background, but it's not really complete yet


Male Human Fighter 1
Al-Godón wrote:

Mynis - it may be useful-ish to post your character stats in your profile for easy reference. That way you can keep your character updated, and Stefan can just clicky on your mug to see what your current stats and things are. Clicky on my beautiful face for an example. I haven't put up the background info that Stefan and I have mailed back and forth, but it's at a start, there.

edit: I have put up a little background, but it's not really complete yet

I don't know if you realize this or not but with that wisdom score divine spells will be out of your reach.


Male Human Paladin 1

Oop. I hadn't noticed that. Dang "never played a paladin before" syndrom!

Stefan - do you mind if I swapped CON with WIS to correct this? I don't think that would overly change things background-wise since neither was a major background thing.

If not, I'll live.


As much as I want to play the "hard-ass" GM, I just can't seem to do it. Especially as you've yet to use your stats for anything. By the ay, this is what I meant when I said your Paladin had no wisdom. Nate was just more direct.

Stefan


Male Human Fighter 1
Alkuin wrote:

As much as I want to play the "hard-ass" GM, I just can't seem to do it. Especially as you've yet to use your stats for anything. By the ay, this is what I meant when I said your Paladin had no wisdom. Nate was just more direct.

Stefan

Cuz nutin says fun like a hard-ass DM!


Hey guys,

I'm looking into recruiting a guy for the game. If you hop over to game connection you can read his stuff (but not his backstory!)

Stefan


Alkuin wrote:

It seems that this forum is devoid of a PM function. I know I'm going to regret this.

[SNIPPED to minimise Stefan's spam folder...]

Stefan

At least google have good filters.

Hi everyone!

Will


Male Human Paladin 1

Hello Will!


Male Human Fighter 1
Art wrote:


Hi everyone!
Will

Welcome!


Male Human Rogue (1)

So, here's the first cut of Rolan Farmsmead. Let me know if you spot any obvious mistakes. I'll add detail to his background as I have time.

Will


Male Human Fighter 1
Rolan wrote:

So, here's the first cut of Rolan Farmsmead. Let me know if you spot any obvious mistakes. I'll add detail to his background as I have time.

Will

Hi Will. Let me know if you would like any power gaming tips. I doubt you need them but I LOVE to offer.

Also I noticed that you had 5 ranks in some skills. The max ranks for level 1 is 4.


Male Human Rogue (1)
Mynis Morne wrote:
Rolan wrote:

So, here's the first cut of Rolan Farmsmead. Let me know if you spot any obvious mistakes. I'll add detail to his background as I have time.

Will

Hi Will. Let me know if you would like any power gaming tips. I doubt you need them but I LOVE to offer.

Offer away! I may ignore most of it for the sake of character concept, but i'm always keen to hear ideas. Rolan may get more power-oriented as he grows up (and/or gets scared).

Mynis Morne wrote:


Also I noticed that you had 5 ranks in some skills. The max ranks for level 1 is 4.

Ah. That's what comes of not waiting for the PHB. I'll go and take some ranks in climb or something instead.

Thanks!


Male Human Fighter 1
Rolan wrote:


Offer away! I may ignore most of it for the sake of character concept, but i'm always keen to hear ideas. Rolan may get more power-oriented as he grows up (and/or gets scared).

Thanks!

Will I would consider switching your int and your cha. With the extra skill points you get you can use them to be just as good at diplomacy/bluff etc and still have some left over. Also Your int based skills like Lock/disable/search will improve. You get the best of both worlds, just as charming/deceitful as before but now more cunning/quick witted as well.

Let me know what you think of the idea.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16

Mynis Morne wrote:


Will I would consider switching your int and your cha. With the extra skill points you get you can use them to be just as good at diplomacy/bluff etc and still have some left over. Also Your int based skills like Lock/disable/search will improve. You get the best of both worlds, just as charming/deceitful as before but now more cunning/quick witted as well.

Let me know what you think of the idea.

Its a good idea. Mechanics-wise it's all up-side, unless I one day were to multi-class to bard. Even then it makes other multi-classing easier.

Character-wise, it makes Rolan the ugly one of the party, as Myrnis and Al-Godon both have 16 CHA.

Rolan sighed into his lonely beer and scowled again at Myrnis and Al-Godon. They ignored him, distracted by a flock of simpering tavern wenches.

I'll think about it; it would be nice to have an extra 4 skill points to spend. Might even be able to ride a horse!

Will


Male Human Fighter 1
Will Cooper wrote:
Mynis Morne wrote:


Will I would consider switching your int and your cha. With the extra skill points you get you can use them to be just as good at diplomacy/bluff etc and still have some left over. Also Your int based skills like Lock/disable/search will improve. You get the best of both worlds, just as charming/deceitful as before but now more cunning/quick witted as well.

Let me know what you think of the idea.

Its a good idea. Mechanics-wise it's all up-side, unless I one day were to multi-class to bard. Even then it makes other multi-classing easier.

Character-wise, it makes Rolan the ugly one of the party, as Myrnis and Al-Godon both have 16 CHA.

Rolan sighed into his lonely beer and scowled again at Myrnis and Al-Godon. They ignored him, distracted by a flock of simpering tavern wenches.

I'll think about it; it would be nice to have an extra 4 skill points to spend. Might even be able to ride a horse!

Will

Remember your charisma may be less but that's not what matters. You have practiced your social graces and honed your natural abilitys to beyond that of myself or Al-Godon (ie. its the skill check that matters, nobody makes cha atribute checks). Especially if you put your extra points into Gather info/diplomacy/bluff etc.


Male Human Fighter 1

Heck we may be even aiding another on you so you get the uber check result! How cool would that be? 2 large warrior types slapping you on the back saying how we couldn't have defeated that ogre without ya. The ladies have got to love it!


Male Human Paladin 1

I'll only aid another with the ladies if your intentions are honorable.


Male Human Fighter 1
Al-Godón wrote:

I'll only aid another with the ladies if your intentions are honorable.

They are! Gettn 'oner and Stayn 'oner!


Male Human Rogue (1)
Al-Godón wrote:

I'll only aid another with the ladies if your intentions are honorable.

If I wanted to settle down just now, I'd have stayed on the farm. Anyway, you're the brave knight all the maiden's are swooning over!


Male Human Rogue (1)
Mynis Morne wrote:
Will Cooper wrote:
Mynis Morne wrote:


Will I would consider switching your int and your cha. With the extra skill points you get you can use them to be just as good at diplomacy/bluff etc and still have some left over. Also Your int based skills like Lock/disable/search will improve. You get the best of both worlds, just as charming/deceitful as before but now more cunning/quick witted as well.

Let me know what you think of the idea.

Its a good idea. Mechanics-wise it's all up-side

Remember your charisma may be less but that's not what matters. Especially if you put your extra points into Gather info/diplomacy/bluff etc.

That all makes sense, so I made the changes. Thanks for the suggestion.

Am I right that I can sort of stay on a horse without any ranks in Ride? Just need the skill for tricky stuff?

Will


Male Human Fighter 1
Rolan wrote:

Am I right that I can sort of stay on a horse without any ranks in Ride? Just need the skill for tricky stuff?

Will

I believe so for the most part. However if you ride a horse (nonwarhorse) near a battle it may well run off with you. I would find this hilarious btw.


Male Human Paladin 1
Mynis Morne wrote:
Rolan wrote:

Am I right that I can sort of stay on a horse without any ranks in Ride? Just need the skill for tricky stuff?

Will

I believe so for the most part. However if you ride a horse (nonwarhorse) near a battle it may well run off with you. I would find this hilarious btw.

Horse-wise, as long as you can take a 10 and get a 10 (i.e. no stat penalty) then you can do basic stuff on a horse. In a battle I'd recommend getting off the horse, fast, but otherwise you can ride fine.

If I'm the knight in shining armor, does that make you the bad-boy that goes home with the girl?

Liberty's Edge

Al-Godón wrote:
Mynis Morne wrote:
Rolan wrote:

Am I right that I can sort of stay on a horse without any ranks in Ride? Just need the skill for tricky stuff?

Will

I believe so for the most part. However if you ride a horse (nonwarhorse) near a battle it may well run off with you. I would find this hilarious btw.

Horse-wise, as long as you can take a 10 and get a 10 (i.e. no stat penalty) then you can do basic stuff on a horse. In a battle I'd recommend getting off the horse, fast, but otherwise you can ride fine.

If I'm the knight in shining armor, does that make you the bad-boy that goes home with the girl?

I'm sorry, but I have to ask: doesn't Al-Godon (algodon) mean "cotton" in Spanish?


Male Human Paladin 1
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:


I'm sorry, but I have to ask: doesn't Al-Godon (algodon) mean "cotton" in Spanish?

It means cotton in arabic. My horse's name means, approximately, "beauty mark".

When Spain was rules by the moors, they picked up TONS of words from the arabic language. Algodón (one word) is cotton in spanish. If you look at just about any word in spanish that starts with "al", it generally has moorish origins. Almuerza, etc.

So, the short version of the answer is "yes", mostly.


Male Human Rogue (1)
Al-Godón wrote:


If I'm the knight in shining armor, does that make you the bad-boy that goes home with the girl?

We'll have to wait and see, girls being fickle and all. Maybe she prefers the hairy wolfskin-wearing sort?


Male Human Paladin 1
Rolan wrote:
Al-Godón wrote:


If I'm the knight in shining armor, does that make you the bad-boy that goes home with the girl?

We'll have to wait and see, girls being fickle and all. Maybe she prefers the hairy wolfskin-wearing sort?

Well, I'm sure some girls out there like furries. ;)


Male Human Rogue (1)
Mynis Morne wrote:

I believe so for the most part. However if you ride a horse (nonwarhorse) near a battle it may well run off with you. I would find this hilarious btw.

That would be funny. Just the sort of thing that might happen to Rolan too.

PS made my first post in the game thread :-)

Will


Great start Will! Like how you used the other posts to start your own. Welcome (officially) to the game!

Stefan


Male Human Paladin 1

What would you like "I do nothing" responses to be?

Should I post something like "no really, I just sit there and wait."?

Unclear on the protocol in these situations.

Thanks.


Male Human Rogue (1)
Al-God�n wrote:

What would you like "I do nothing" responses to be?

Should I post something like "no really, I just sit there and wait."?

Unclear on the protocol in these situations.

Thanks.

I'd suggest using the opportunity to flesh out Al-Godon's character. What is he thinking about as he waits? Remembering home? Remembering his training? Worrying about to say to Chinilvur? Praying? Dropping things in passing can work really well.

I know I'm never just waiting with nothing else going on... if Al-Godon is, then he's obviously a zen master... in which case he's probably meditating!

edit: typo


Yeah. We ran into a situation where I was waiting for you and you were waiting for me. In order to avoid this in the future I'm just going to keep rolling on with daily posts and if you want to wait you can just wait. I don't like the "I'm waiting" response so this should eliminate the need. And if you just didn't have time to post because of work or something then you can quote to a later event and we can roll backwards a little bit. Everyone is new to this (well, I don't know about Will) so we are still learning.

Stefan


Male Human Rogue (1)
Alkuin wrote:

Everyone is new to this (well, I don't know about Will) so we are still learning.

Stefan

Nope, I'm new. I'm involved in a play-by-wiki Ars Magica campaign, but that's very different and also pretty recent.

Will

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