Commence out of game discussion and general table talk.
Character is mostly done. I still need to buy some equipment, pick out a few spells, etc., But I'll have to do that in a couple hours. Real life beckons.
Let me know if I need to make changes.
edit: With a Craft (bow) of +8, can I buy a longbow at half-price, with the assumption I made it myself before the story starts?
Okay, let me see my avatar... This is Mitnal.
Just checking in...
Now that we have a discussion thread, it occurs to me that I probably should have held the character discussion involving priest and wizard here. But oh well... :-)
--Neil
Do you have any problem if I take the Tactile Trapsmith feat from CAd page 112? Gengar is more of a hands on kinda guy.
I'm good with that feat. Feel free to run just about any non-core feat by me.
Here's Ruano. Pretty much everything is worked out except for gear: I'm at work and using the SRD, so I don't know how much starting gold Druids get.
And I'm probably going to shift some skill ranks into Handle Animal. I just need to figure out from where.
moving the discussion to the right thread... :)
Let me suggest something for later then...because a similar character concept for a priest of Erastil occured to me once before. Have your cleric eventually select the Zen Archery feat so he can use his Wisdom modifier rather than his Dexterity modifier on ranged attacks. Basically, somewhere down the line, it would be a great character-defining moment if he gained insight into archery based on his "wise" devotion to Erastil rather than his hand-eye coordination. "Use the force, Kinmorn...let go your feelings..." I think that would be extra cool. ;-)
Where would one find the Zen Archery feat? It doesn't ring a bell right off with me.
Where would one find the Zen Archery feat? It doesn't ring a bell right off with me.
According to the WotC archives, the 3.5 version is in the Complete Warrior handbook. But, originally, it appeared in Sword and Fist.
Essentially, it just lets you substitute your Wisdom modifier for your Dexterity modifier on ranged attacks. Instead of hand-eye coordination, you're tapping into the art of zen to pick your targets.
--Neil
Whoops, I forgot to put down my hit points. Problem solved.
The server ate my backstory. I'll retype it tomorrow.
Short version: Ruano grew up in an urban environment, but fell in love with the natural environment when he left the city. Now a druid, he has adopted the bit of coastline that includes Sandpoint, and has come to town to celebrate the fall equinox (a good, druidic event) with the townsfolk.
And I also need the official word on starting gold.
I think I'm ready...
Yeah, everybody do max starting gold. That's fine.
I'll look over everybody's characters for final approval tomorrow, and then, as I don't think I have anything else, to do, I'll start the play thread!
Druids get less starting wealth than I thought. Looks like my Hide Shirt will have to wait. At least slings and clubs are free.
Yeah, everybody do max starting gold. That's fine.
Wow. Cool. That means I've got enough left over to buy something more. Is it okay if I purchase a spell scroll or two and add them to my spellbook?
--Neil
Alright Ruano and Spot have gear.
I was thinking it was 5d4 but couldn't remember for sure.
Yep. 5d4x10gp.
I made some small adjustments to Jessa. With the extra money, I picked up a scroll of protection from evil...a spell she doesn't have in her spellbook yet, unless you want to dictate she had time (and resources) to transcribe it prior to the adventure.
I also tweaked a bit more of the background to explain how she acquired her raven familiar, the application process she endured before being accepted into the Pathfinders, and a small notation on her physical appearance (i.e., she uses prestidigitation a lot to change her hairstyle and hair color...sometimes she's a brunette, sometimes she's a blonde, and occasionally she's a redhead...just depends on her mood).
--Neil
Wicht, think you forgot that Fort is a good save for clerics.
Wicht, think you forgot that Fort is a good save for clerics.
Why yes, I apparently did. Thanks.
Did most of the stating from memory and didn't really look too closely at the SRD. Thats what I get.
Equipment is bought, along with some extra spears.
For the last two years, as part of his training as a cleric of Erastil, Kinmorn has been making hunting trips into the country side around Sandpoint. Sometimes he went alone. A few times he has taken children from the Turandarak Academy in order to foster an appreciation for hunting and nature in general. The equipment reflects those items he bought for these forays.
I think for the Swallowtail Festival, assuming our honorable DM holds with such a thing, instead of going around in his cleric vestments, Kinmorn is going to dress the part of the mighty hunter. For the children of course.
Hope you guys don't mind, but I'm sticking this post up for my own shoddy memory:
Party:
Kinmorn Erastilson, Human Cleric (Erastil) - Wicht
Mitnal, Human Barbarian - Tarren Dei
Jeslara "Jessa" Eventide, Human Wizard (Diviner) (Cyphermage?) - NSpicer
Gengar Whittlewood, Dwarf Rogue - DitheringFool
Ruano Hallif, Halfling Druid - Me
Shantare, Human Ranger - Irulan
Some answers, and a few questions of my own....
Yes, the extra scrolls for Jessa are fine. Leave the one scroll out of her spellbook just yet.
Starting gold for a cleric is 200gp.
Did I miss any questions?
Questions of my own --
Kinmorn -- Languages? Did I miss them somewhere? Are you Chelaxian?
Jessa -- Chelaxian?
Gengar -- Chaotic... what? G, N, E, Unsure, None of the Above?
Shantare -- Are you Chelaxian? What languages do you speak? And do you want me to give some suggestions for a home town, or do you want me to just pick one for you?
I'll be heading out for a few hours in a short while, so I'll try to answer any questions posted before I leave. I'm still working up the starting play post, but I plan on posting something to open the thread today.
I think for the Swallowtail Festival, assuming our honorable DM holds with such a thing, instead of going around in his cleric vestments, Kinmorn is going to dress the part of the mighty hunter. For the children of course.
Of course.
I had languages typed into the editing character page, but I failed to notice they don't show up in the profile. They're there now.
I assume Kinmorn is Chelaxian in the same way anyone born in Varisia to non Varisian or Shoanti parents is assumed to be Chelaxian. Truth be known, his heritage is likely mixed but not enough to mark him as belonging to any particular group. His given name Wesh is listed in the Players Guide as a Varisian name if I remember correctly.
When you make a list it becomes readily apparent we are long on spell abilities and relatively short on hitpoints. Seeing as how our ranger is a wee little fellow we are going to be relying on our poor barbarian to soak up a lot of damage.
Don't forget Spot, now. She can fight as well as anyone else in the party for now.
I assume Kinmorn is Chelaxian in the same way anyone born in Varisia to non Varisian or Shoanti parents is assumed to be Chelaxian.
That's my base assumption for all the humans who didn't list, but I wanted to give everyone a chance to declare.
Truth be known, his heritage is likely mixed but not enough to mark him as belonging to any particular group.
As is typical in any kind of colonization, I'm sure this is much more common than anybody ever acknowledges.
Alright. I am officially done tinkering with Ruano's inventory.
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Alignment...
Accoding to the SRD good-evil axis deals with attitudes toward life whereas law-chaos governs socialistic ideologies.
Gengar values life (especially those of his friends) but not at the expense of his own: neutral (with a good bent).
Gengar's main social compulsion is that for his own luxurious life - use the system in place and ignore the rest: neutral (with a chaotic bent).
Good enough for me, DF. I'm an "alignment is general guideline, not a straightjacket" kind of guy, so I don't mind a little ambiguity on the alignment front.
DF, why is it that Gengar uses weapons he's not proficient with? I'll all for interesting character builds, but I'm curious as to the 'why?'. I would have thought a woodcarver would want to use knives.
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Well, hmmm...
when you make a list it becomes readily apparent we are long on spell abilities and relatively short on hitpoints. Seeing as how our ranger is a wee little fellow we are going to be relying on our poor barbarian to soak up a lot of damage.
Should be fun :)
Hmmm ... his recent decision to explore pacifism is going to make that interesting. :-)
Yes, the extra scrolls for Jessa are fine. Leave the one scroll out of her spellbook just yet.
Check. Will do. Purchased only one (didn't have the funds for more)...and added a scroll of protection from evil to her Combat Gear. I'll work on saving it until I can scribe it into the spellbook.
Jessa -- Chelaxian?
With Jessa's "well-traveled" family history, I envisioned her as decidedly non-Varisian. Since Paizo hasn't shared too much information about the nations surrounding Varisia yet, I don't have a lot of options to choose from though.
I don't see her as Minkai or Osirion (are those ethnicities anyway?). But I don't really want her to be Chelaxian either. I was envisioning her as "something else." But not all that markedly different physically-speaking from a Chelaxian, probably. Thus, it was easy for her family to integrate and gain acceptance in Magnimar (which was founded by ex-Chelaxian nobles, I believe).
Remember too that Jessa came to Magnimar when she was ten...so half her life she's immersed herself in the local culture. Politically, she thinks of herself as a loyal citizen of Magnimar. But definitely not Chelaxian, Shoanti, or Varisian.
Does that sound acceptable? Or would you rather just declare her family ex-Chelaxian instead?
--Neil
Jeslara "Jessa" Eventide, Human Wizard (Diviner) (Cyphermage?) - NSpicer
Cyphermage? No. Not unless they come out with a prestige class for it that looks appealing. More likely, Jessa will see the cyphermages of Riddleport as her competition. So, for now, she's simply a specialist diviner, heavy on the knowledge skills, and making a bee-line for the Loremaster PrC down the road.
--Neil
Well, hmmm...when you make a list it becomes readily apparent we are long on spell abilities and relatively short on hitpoints. Seeing as how our ranger is a wee little fellow we are going to be relying on our poor barbarian to soak up a lot of damage. Should be fun :)
The ranger is a "wee little fellow"...? Do you mean the druid? Looks like our ranger is human with decent hit points, AC, and attacks. So that ought to help out the front-line barbarian.
But I am a little worried at how many of us defined our combat tactics as "stays out of melee." If we all try to stay back and do ranged attacks, that's going to be a pretty sparse front-line. And, though I'd love to make some adjustments to help in that area, my character is unfortunately the one least likely to succeed in that role. ;-)
--Neil
Jessa can be non-specific for now.
But I am a little worried at how many of us defined our combat tactics as "stays out of melee." If we all try to stay back and do ranged attacks, that's going to be a pretty sparse front-line. And, though I'd love to make some adjustments to help in that area, my character is unfortunately the one least likely to succeed in that role. ;-)--Neil
Of course I stay back and use my sling: I'm a halfling! (Though my +1 melee attack is far from the worst in the party.)
My front line contribution consists of Spot and the ability to summon wolves.
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DF, why is it that Gengar uses weapons he's not proficient with? I'll all for interesting character builds, but I'm curious as to the 'why?'. I would have thought a woodcarver would want to use knives.
I had a friend ask me that very question today...I'm going with axes for the dwarven flavor. Even as a woodcarver, an axe and a chisel will do him just fine :)
I might pick up a proficiency a bit later or multiclass fighter 1 level depending how the roleplaying goes.
Thanks for asking.
Of course I stay back and use my sling: I'm a halfling! (Though my +1 melee attack is far from the worst in the party.)
Oh, come now. We all know you want to charge that riding dog into a horde of goblins, ogres, or giants with a slew of Mounted Combat feats behind you. ;-)
--Neil
I might pick up a proficiency a bit later or multiclass fighter 1 level depending how the roleplaying goes.
I thought it was an interesting choice to go with weapons you're not proficient with...and just assumed you must be planning on multi-classing as a fighter/rogue down the road somewhere. In fact, I'd encourage you to do that. I think it would help out greatly from a combat perspective.
Has anyone else noticed that this group of heroes is founded on a host of ironies? We've got a pacifist-wannabe barbarian who struggles to contain his rage. We've got a priest of the archery/hunting god who can't shoot a bow to save his life. A city-born halfling who falls in love with the wilderness and becomes a druid. A dwarven rogue who fights with axes he doesn't really know how to use all that well in combat. A ranger that carries a heavy crossbow and a rapier. Heck, I even went with the non-traditional diviner rather than a shock-and-awe wizard. Just call us the Order of Stereotypical Misfits and we'll be ready to roll... ;-)
--Neil
I might pick up a proficiency a bit later or multiclass fighter 1 level depending how the roleplaying goes.I thought it was an interesting choice to go with weapons you're not proficient with...and just assumed you must be planning on multi-classing as a fighter/rogue down the road somewhere. In fact, I'd encourage you to do that. I think it would help out greatly from a combat perspective.
Has anyone else noticed that this group of heroes is founded on a host of ironies? We've got a pacifist-wannabe barbarian who struggles to contain his rage. We've got a priest of the archery/hunting god who can't shoot a bow to save his life. A city-born halfling who falls in love with the wilderness and becomes a druid. A dwarven rogue who fights with axes he doesn't really know how to use all that well in combat. A ranger that carries a heavy crossbow and a rapier. Heck, I even went with the non-traditional diviner rather than a shock-and-awe wizard. Just call us the Order of Stereotypical Misfits and we'll be ready to roll... ;-)
--Neil
Aren't all the best heroes founded on ironies?
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The ranger is a "wee little fellow"...? Do you mean the druid? Looks like our ranger is human with decent hit points, AC, and attacks. So that ought to help out the front-line barbarian.
But I am a little worried at how many of us defined our combat tactics as "stays out of melee." If we all try to stay back and do ranged attacks, that's going to be a pretty sparse front-line. And, though I'd love to make some adjustments to help in that area, my character is unfortunately the one least likely to succeed in that role. ;-)
--Neil
I confused the druid and the ranger. Still only two "front-line" types.
Actually the cleric has decent hitpoints and though he can't well dodge a lot of attacks, he can probably go toe to toe with a lone goblin. Without precise shot, its not easy being an archer in a melee so in combat I'll probably be a second string front line fighter half the time.