Wow, very cool 'happy ending' to a properly epic (if not Epic) campaign!
We've had a couple 'player blowouts,' but never one as gracefully salvaged by the GM as this one! Kudos, Zealot!
This thread is almost 5 years old... Not sure if Zealot's even around anymore.
This thread is almost 5 years old... Not sure if Zealot's even around anymore.
He's posted as recently as a couple weeks ago.
Ironically, when this thread was revived for the first time, I was also skeptical if he'd notice. He hadn't posted in three years! And yet, he came back to finish the tale. :-)
This thread is almost 5 years old... Not sure if Zealot's even around anymore.He's posted as recently as a couple weeks ago.
Ironically, when this thread was revived for the first time, I was also skeptical if he'd notice. He hadn't posted in three years! And yet, he came back to finish the tale. :-)
I hadn't realized, I stand corrected then. My bad!
I agree with Quintain. This paladin did act Lawful and Good considering they were at war and the elf was weaking the army and putting the lives of others at risk. Now the player is a bit of an ass for breaking the unspoken convenant that exists around many of our tables not to kill other PC's characters. That said sounds like the campaign ended on a great note. Just my two cents.
The way I read it, the paladin didn't cut the elf's head off for disobeying orders, he cut his head off for refusing to kneel.
Lawful good is not lawful whatever-is-expedient. Summary execution has been viewed as a crime in every army since Hammurabi.
As I read it the paladin was going to execute him either way. Desertation has been a capital offense in armies for equally as long.
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Of course this is an elven army that hte paladin was Special-Guest commanding.
The desertion is a result of the fake-paladin's actions, as traced upthread. Considering the fight was over, the paladin was crashing funeral services and behaving horribly, is it any wonder that chaotic elves would want to pack up and go home and not stay under the command of an apparently unstable Neidermeyer?
It was a crisis of the paladin's own making. If he had actually behaved like a paladin, things never would have gotten that bad.
The elf helped others desert which is nearly the same thing as deserting yourself. The alignment issue is about what happens to the characters in game. The fact that a player's character executed another player's character is a different issue and requires an out of game solution. I agree that killing your friends is bad and crappy thing to do. It can only be done in special circumstances and only if both sides agree it is what the character would do and only with friends who understand its not personal. Even than I wouldn't recommend it often.
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HEY MIKAZE.** spoiler omitted **
(does this set a new record for the Paizo forums as far as questions left hanging and finally answered four years later? ;) )Ouch.
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Oh man, I actually never pre-ordered! I was just going to buy it as soon as it came out. Thanks for the heads-up though!
I still want Razor Coast so bad...
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Those elves never would have deserted if the paladin hadn't been so horrible towards them. Dude was power-trippin' big time.
And again, elf army. Very different culture.
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Let it also be known that this particular player has done this to various DM's since his first adventure, he revels in throwing what he calls "Monkey Wrenches", arguing that a good DM should be able to handle anything that he throws at them.
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The elf helped others desert which is nearly the same thing as deserting yourself.
At which point a Lawful Good commander claps the offending individual in irons & has them escorted to the holding area to await trail.
You Do Not get to claim battlefield privileges while not on a battlefield. Summary execution without trial is a battlefield privilege reserved for the heat of battle so that chain of command is maintained. Nowhere in any description I have read of the events has it even been implied that they were even expecting a battle later that day, much less IN BATTLE at that time...
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The remaining 100 plus elves should have riddled the ex-paladin with arrows (at minimum). The DM should have kindly offered the offending player an opportunity to create a 1st level character if he wanted to continue playing; and warn him that any further disruptions would result in his being barred from the group. If this was not pleasing to him, just bid him adieu. Note that a paladin's action of this type should also have serious negative consequences with relation to the human-elf interactions in the campaign.
We were just talking about this last night at a gamer's meeting. The funniest part was when the paladin asked for the experience for killing the elf. You have to remember the elven commander specifically asked the elven contingent to refrain from violence. It was a campaign that led them into epic with the paladin fading into obscurity. The part 2 to the whole campaign was brilliant and everyone learned a grew from the experience.