FWIW, I did defend the atheists against the Pope on Facebook.
Thanks -- without any sarcasm, that was a very useful thing to do, I think.
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Sorry to hear that. If it's that bad, is it possible to get another position elsewhere?I'm looking. The economy is still very slow, and (irony) most Candian and Australian employers won't look at me because I live in Texas.
Honestly, if moderate Christians would more often pop in and say things like, "Hey, I'm not a Catholic, and I agree the Pope was out of line there," or "Hey! I know some atheists who are more moral than a lot of the so-called Christians I know," things would be a lot easier, and most of the anti-Christian rhetoric would die down -- because there would be no need for it. Atheists are a very small minority, and they're being threatened all the time; a show of support would make them as a whole feel a lot more secure and a lot less belligerent.
I think that here, anyway, Christians are actually the minority. I actually do defend "your kind" -- not that you would actually see it. (Actually, I'm sometimes surprised they still let me in at church.)
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I'm looking. The economy is still very slow, and (irony) most Candian and Australian employers won't look at me because I live in Texas.
Really? I've worked with heaps of guys from the 'States over here in Sydney and they've all commanded the greatest of respect. I expected that BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto would be keen to give you a position considering that they're always complaining about the "skills shortage".
Really? I've worked with heaps of guys from the 'States over here in Sydney and they've all commanded the greatest of respect. I expected that BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto would be keen to give you a position considering that they're always complaining about the "skills shortage".
Been applying for work out in Western Australia -- I'm a geologist and they've got boatloads of mining work going on.
Civil rights gained no traction until they became very outspoken about it. Same deal, more recently, with gay rights. I'm wondering if outright protest isn't the only thing that might allow me to be accepted one day as a full American citizen.
That's Dawkins's argument, more or less. And MLK, Jr.'s.
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.
In a nutshell: I stopped defending Christians against more vocal atheists because the so-called "moderate" Christians don't stand up for me against their crazier brethren -- and there are more of them than there are of me, and it's a lot easier for them to do.
And that's Sam Harris from The End of Faith. :)
Also I went to a college (long story) like your work. It's also rather close to how my daily life works. Whether it's being gay or being an atheist, that's life in America.
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Also I went to a college (long story) like your work. It's also rather close to how my daily life works. Whether it's being gay or being an atheist, that's life in America.
I just don't get this. I live in what could be considered the "Christian Mecca". Of the 30 people who work in my department, there are 3 Christians who regularly go to church (one is Catholic) and 1 Jehovah's Witness. There's another 3-5 who would say that they are Christian but who haven't actually set foot in a church in years and know little about any doctrine. The rest are either atheist or agnostic -- and you'll probably get different answers from them depending on when or how you ask. The truth is that most of them don't care. And yet this is practically "Christian Central". One of my co-workers is lesbian and she has shown up to a few of my "church league" softball games and talked with members of the church. So it's hard for me to understand where this attitude really comes from.
Even at other places of employment I didn't get this. And I never worked in a "Christian organization".
Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. Maybe the goal is to find as many bastards of whatever group you can find. Two of my best friends in the world are a non-believing gay couple -- but I don't think that they feel anything close to what you feel or see.
I'm not saying that what you've experienced isn't genuine or right. But sometimes I feel like we hold onto one (or more) really bad experiences we may have and superimpose that on everyone who might be even a little similar -- on both sides.
There are @$$holes out there. But there are a lot more good people -- in general.
I live in what could be considered the "Christian Mecca". Of the 30 people who work in my department, there are 3 Christians who regularly go to church (one is Catholic) and 1 Jehovah's Witness. There's another 3-5 who would say that they are Christian but who haven't actually set foot in a church in years and know little about any doctrine. The rest are either atheist or agnostic -- and you'll probably get different answers from them depending on when or how you ask.
I'd hardly call that a Christian Mecca, then. I work in an office of ~400 people. I know of three, including myself, who are not churchgoers (that doesn't mean there aren't one or two others, but they're very quiet about it). I know of many dozens who have religious stuff in their cubicles/offices and/or Jesus fish on their cars and/or who sign their company emails with Bible verses. I've had co-workers ask me point-black "Which church do you go to?" and also tell me to read "The Case of Christ" and a variety of other literature, if I answer evasively (God forbid I tell the truth).
When I went to support my wife in her run at the Houston marathon, the mayor led eveyone there -- hundreds of people -- in a mandatory Christian prayer to Our Lord Jesus Christ, etc.
And Houston is liberal compared to a lot of places in Texas.
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I'd hardly call that a Christian Mecca, then.
We have an insane number of Christian companies/organizations for a relatively small city. It seems like everyone from Focus on the Family to The International Bible Society is here. I can pretty well name 10 fairly large and strictly Christian organizations that are based out of here. Which, again, seems kind of odd given the size of Colorado Springs.
Which, again, seems kind of odd given the size of Colorado Springs.
And you've got the U.S. Air Force Academy, a majorly evangelical organization.
Still, the Discovery Institute is in Seattle, and I'm not sure that qualifies that whole city as a nest Creationists.Individual people are what make the tone, especially when they start sounding alike after a while. Standard topics of "water cooler" conversation here at work are:
More or less in that order.
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Been applying for work out in Western Australia -- I'm a geologist and they've got boatloads of mining work going on.Really? I've worked with heaps of guys from the 'States over here in Sydney and they've all commanded the greatest of respect. I expected that BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto would be keen to give you a position considering that they're always complaining about the "skills shortage".
Keep on it mate, we could do with more gamers over here.
Unfortunately all of my contacts within BHP / Rio are within the Utilisation / Stores areas, otherwise I'd put in a good word for you.
Also I went to a college (long story) like your work. It's also rather close to how my daily life works. Whether it's being gay or being an atheist, that's life in America.I just don't get this.
I have it a bit better than Kirth locally, helped a lot by the fact that I'm extremely asocial. But compulsory Christianity is everywhere.
Compulsory Christianity
Barton combined hours of observation and analysis of museum materials into an ethnography, a detailed narrative about a place and its culture that is often used in sociology. Unlike other research methods, the ethnography does not strive for impartiality; rather, the researchers recognize and reflect on their own reactions to what they see.On her third trip to the museum, Barton took her undergraduate students, who found the visit unsettling. Several in the group were former fundamentalists who had since rejected that worldview. Several others were gay. In part because of these backgrounds, Barton said, the students were on edge at the museum. Particularly nerve-wracking were signs warning that guests could be asked to leave the premises at any time. The group's reservation confirmation also noted that museum staff reserved the right to kick the group off the property if they were not honest about the "purpose of [the] visit."
Because of these messages, Barton said, the students felt they might accidentally reveal themselves as nonbelievers and be asked to leave. This pressure is a form of "compulsory Christianity" that is common in a region known for its fundamentalism, Barton said. People who don't ascribe to fundamentalism often report the need to hide their thoughts for fear of being judged or snubbed.
At one point, Barton reported in her paper, a guard with a dog circled a student pointedly twice without saying anything. When he left, a museum patron approached the student and said, "The reason he did that is because of the way you're dressed. We know you're not religious; you just don't fit in." (The student was wearing leggings and a long shirt, Barton writes.)
The pressures were particularly tough for gay members of the group, thanks to exhibits discussing the sinfulness of homosexuality and same-sex marriage. A lesbian couple became paranoid about being near or touching one another, afraid they would be "found out," Barton writes. This "self-policing" is a common occurrence in same-sex relationships in the Bible Belt, Barton said.
The self-policing would be pretty much invisible to the in crowd. If we're not obviously being gay or not believing right in front of you, we do not exist. That's more or less how white people used to see segregation too. Aside the occasional sign, all-white groups were just normal. The practice is invisible until you actively try to defy it or until you're on the receiving end.
But there's a constant social pressure to stay in both closets, to smile and nod along when some nutty clergyman, deranged politician, obnoxious relative, or the like sounds off. Our tax dollars still pay the salaries of clergymen. Our elected officials still insist on mandatory Christianity at official functions. We still subsidize your churches. My local paper has included such classic editorials as "the First Amendment means you can pick the Christian church of your choice" and, seriously, "English was good enough for Jesus so it should be good enough for our kids." (That genius was protesting a foreign language requirement.) Hostility towards both gays and atheists is written into our laws. It's everywhere.
To be sure there are some nips and tucks here and there. Things have improved a bit. Until about 2003 it was illegal to have sex while gay in my state. It's currently against the state constitution to be married while gay. Right now, an assistant attorney general is doing this kind of thing.
That's aside any of the personal treatment one gets when one goes outside, but it all comes from the same deep hostility towards non-straights and non-Christians. The fact is little helped by the fact that the standard responses to compulsory Christianity are as follows:
1) You're right! Christianity is compulsory. It's a Christian nation and the rest of you are just living here.
2) Lighten up! Your being discriminated against is funny!
3) You're not really suffering discrimination because I have a magical way of reading the facts that renders obvious discrimination and obvious bigotry utterly harmless.
You're obviously not that sort, but we wouldn't have to go very far back in this thread to get examples of all three.
... and there you have it. A few years of constant discrimination has driven me to "change." I can only imagine what it would be like for Samnell, getting both barrels, as it were, but given how much I've come to chafe, I'd be surprised if I weren't ten times as blunt as he is.
“And if I wreak too great a damage to that most foul bridge," he said, "and should those craven trolls go sniveling to authority, you humans will jerk me on the rug to explain my thinking and that is not the way it should be. There is no dignity in living by the rule and no joy, either, and it was a rotten day when the human race arose.”
— Clifford D. Simak, The Goblin Reservation (1968).
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I live in what could be considered the "Christian Mecca". Of the 30 people who work in my department, there are 3 Christians who regularly go to church (one is Catholic) and 1 Jehovah's Witness. There's another 3-5 who would say that they are Christian but who haven't actually set foot in a church in years and know little about any doctrine. The rest are either atheist or agnostic -- and you'll probably get different answers from them depending on when or how you ask.I'd hardly call that a Christian Mecca, then. I work in an office of ~400 people. I know of three, including myself, who are not churchgoers (that doesn't mean there aren't one or two others, but they're very quiet about it). I know of many dozens who have religious stuff in their cubicles/offices and/or Jesus fish on their cars and/or who sign their company emails with Bible verses. I've had co-workers ask me point-black "Which church do you go to?" and also tell me to read "The Case of Christ" and a variety of other literature, if I answer evasively (God forbid I tell the truth).
When I went to support my wife in her run at the Houston marathon, the mayor led eveyone there -- hundreds of people -- in a mandatory Christian prayer to Our Lord Jesus Christ, etc.
And Houston is liberal compared to a lot of places in Texas.
Once you see the wrong side of the 610 Loop in your rear view mirror, Houston gets a lot less liberal...
... and there you have it. A few years of constant discrimination has driven me to "change." I can only imagine what it would be like for Samnell, getting both barrels, as it were, but given how much I've come to chafe, I'd be surprised if I weren't ten times as blunt as he is.
My default level isn't very polite to begin with, but I suppose that is after twenty or so years (since I started paying attention, more or less) of this kind of thing. Even with safe mostly-secular places to vent it gets pretty trying.
Once you see the wrong side of the 610 Loop in your rear view mirror, Houston gets a lot less liberal...
That's true all over.
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I have it a bit better than Kirth locally, helped a lot by the fact that I'm extremely asocial. But compulsory Christianity is everywhere.Also I went to a college (long story) like your work. It's also rather close to how my daily life works. Whether it's being gay or being an atheist, that's life in America.I just don't get this.
Ok, I find this one odd even for you. You're saying (or at least the link is saying) that non-Christians or at least people who know that they practice things that they know the church disapproves of feel uncomfortable in an overtly Christian place? There are a number of places I wouldn't feel accepted or comfortable either.
I'm not saying that you are wrong (necessarily) in your assessment -- just that the link is kind of like -- "well, duh".
Ok, I find this one odd even for you.
Thank you for your support. :)
You're saying (or at least the link is saying) that non-Christians or at least people who know that they practice things that they know the church disapproves of feel uncomfortable in an overtly Christian place? There are a number of places I wouldn't feel accepted or comfortable either.
I could have explained it a bit better. I spent a little time hunting down that article (they moved it, the jerks!) and in doing so it slipped my mind. The article is about the museum, which I'd expect to be uncomfortable and inclined to self-police within as well. But that museum isn't the end of it.
It's like that almost everywhere, if to varying degrees, and often by force of law which puts it a few steps beyond just feeling a bit put upon. Until 2003 the number of places where I was legally not permitted to be gay included my own bedroom. I wouldn't walk down a sidewalk in my hometown holding hands with a boyfriend. Is the sidewalk downtown an overtly Christian place? I wouldn't think so. But that's how widespread it is. Everywhere becomes an overtly Christian place.
I do not mind that there are places believers feel comfortable and at home. I do not expect to walk into St. Mary's down on Second Avenue and have a quickie on the altar or make out in the confessional. That's silly.
But surely not every place needs to be like this. The schools and other government buildings we share should not be like this. They're for everybody, not just one group or another. Yet ordinary public places are like this for gays and non-believers all over the country. Kirth's workplace is like that. Thanks to a myriad of state and federal laws, my love life, such as it is, is like this. Harassment of the openly gay is a hobby for an assistant attorney-general.
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Ok. Need to weigh in from the other side of the pond with utter confusion. My office is almost diametrically opposite of Kirths. We have only one outspoken Christian here (although I'm sure other members of staff are Christian, it just hasn't come up in conversation) and even he isn't that outspoken. Granted he has made it his mission to save my soul (his words) but I'm taking that in the light I'm sure it's intended (since he found out I'm an atheist and reasonably knowledgable about science we often have scientific or philosophical discussion [which don't end in shouting somehow ;-)]) and just told him he would have quite a task.
He's also a conspiracy buff, claims to be a prince back in Nigeria, YEC, thinks the minotaurand various other myths are fact. He also doesn't seem to know much about Christianity itself (for example, when I pointed out to him Jesus' rather famous 'turn the other cheek' comments, his response was a) he didn't really mean that and then b) he meant turn the other cheek of the KNIFE towards your enemy), so it's quite easy to ignore him.
But, as I said, even he isn't that outspoken. We have an openly gay man in the office. He's brought his partner to some of our nights out. So far, no problems.
As to the water cooler conversation, ours tend to be the exact reverse of Kirth's with "why our clients (or superiors) are never right" being popular.
So, yeah, fundamentalist American Baptist Christianity really hurts my brain. But the UK, despite being an officially Christian country, is far more used to non-0Christians especially in London and the other major cities where it's hard not to see people in hijabs or nikabs or turbans on a regular basis.
So, yeah, fundamentalist American Baptist Christianity really hurts my brain.
Not just the Baptists, but also rightwing Catholics, Pentacostals (the speaking in tongues type), snake handlers (rather few of these), Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists (both of the previous have had a humorous predilection for scheduling the end of the world), Mormons, the list goes on. They come in all kinds of brands, like potato chips or condoms. Or people I guess, but I don't know why you'd eat people while you still have plenty of potato chips.
We did at least for a while have a rather large local Muslim family. They were pretty much it, though. Small town and all. I went to school with two of their kids. His mother always wore the traditional garb. Not a burkha but the headscarf and what looked to be a traditional dress. Her daughter just wore the headscarf. I think they've all moved on now. I don't know how much trouble they had pre-9/11, but knowing the town probably at least some if not as much as the black families that have moved in.
My mother claims that back in the 60s her elder brother was friends with a family that practiced witchcraft, but given the time and the reliability of the family grapevine I suspect they were just hippies and my grandmother decided that amounted to some species of Satanism.
So I suppose we've had some diversity, but it's still a very typical small town in the middle of nowhere. A friend told me a while back that the idea of assuming a class of high schoolers was majority Christian seemed very strange to him and I briefly wondered if he lived not in New Jersey but on the Moon.
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I think this recent turn of conversation is important.
When we talk here online, it's easy to see the discussion as atheists and believers sitting down together as equals.
This is not the case.
The fact that atheists are treated as second class citizens in much of the US (apologies to Paul and other non-Yanks, just speaking from my own experience), and that Christians are a privileged majority, is often forgotten.
This is why we atheists are so "thin skinned", and it's why we react so strongly when someone insists that we complain too much, or we're too disrespectful, or that we're "looking to be offended".
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To Samnell and Kirth:
You guys are welcome to move to my part of the country. The job and housing markets are complete b$@@!#$s, but the community itself is pretty progressive.
EDIT: Huh, I didn't know the language filter disliked that word.
EDIT EDIT: Oh, f#*~ me, I can't even use it in an URL? What if I use an alternate spelling, such as bollox?
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Is the sidewalk downtown an overtly Christian place?
No. Here it's an overtly Wiccan place.
I know what you are saying. (I had a long post that was going no where.)
Unfortunately, there is safety in numbers. And people will congregate to like minds. Therefore, there are certainly "pockets" of @$$holes everywhere. But that doesn't mean that all of America is like that.
(I've got so many thoughts running around in my head, it's hard to filter right now...)
Look, if you go to a public place and you are 12 feet tall, you are going to feel like all eyes are on you. They may even back away from you. If you are pink and have green hair, the same thing would happen. Why? Because it's not what people are used to. Seeing two grown men making out at the zoo is not what people are used to seeing or expect to see. Gays are still very much in the minority. Combine that with the fact that many gays hide this fact when out in public to avoid problems and you are left with a group that few people outside of the group see "in action". (You know what I mean.)
I'm not saying that it's right. Just that it is. And that it will still take some time for people to get used to you.
I wish the laws were different as well. Unfortunately, the people who seem to be active in changing them seem to be stupid about it. (Did you really want your mascot to be a dog that moos?)
I guess that this is a long way to say -- I understand what you are saying, but I'm not really all that surprised by it.
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I think this recent turn of conversation is important.
When we talk here online, it's easy to see the discussion as atheists and believers sitting down together as equals.
This is not the case.
The fact that atheists are treated as second class citizens in much of the US (apologies to Paul and other non-Yanks, just speaking from my own experience), and that Christians are a privileged majority, is often forgotten.
This is why we atheists are so "thin skinned", and it's why we react so strongly when someone insists that we complain too much, or we're too disrespectful, or that we're "looking to be offended".
The most disconcerting fact, to me, is that atheists are the most distrusted demographic of people in the US. Look at all the hate and distrust being used toward Muslims trying to build a cultural center in NY. Consider that, then consider that most of the US thinks that us atheists are even worse.
I've shared this before, but here it is again:
When my mother-in-law found out that my wife and I were atheists, she was immediately concerned/scared that we wouldn't be able to raise our son "with any morals." Setting aside that she doesn't really like me, this is her daughter we're talking about here, and her first reaction was fear, mistrust, and (it seemed to me) disgust.
Thanks to McCarthy (and that whole era), I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious. If we say we think the world would be a better place without religion, that's why, not because we have some secret plan to kill your god.
I think most of the christian offense that is taken is taken because that is exactly how they have been taught to view atheists.
IIRC, the bible says there is less to worry about someone who is cold for the lord than from someone who is lukewarm. That, in my estimation, means that religious folks need to worry less about atheists and more about the people in their midst who are only pious on Sundays...
I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.
Well, they are godless :P
CJ, I am curious about your interpretation of John 14. Obviously, anyone is free to post their own feelings on the passage. CJ made a post in another thread that got me thinking.
CJ, you posted One catholic view is that all religious voice is part of that perception, yes even atheism. Though it maybe hard to understand. Would you please elaborate, especially concerning your definition of 'religious' and 'perception'.
I have re-read John 14 and it seems to me Jesus is saying the way to the Father (the good place) is by loving Jesus and keeping his commands. Are you suggesting that most spirituality aligns with Jesus' commands? I do not see another way to reconcile your comment with the passage. Is 'loving' Jesus a euphemism for keeping his commands? I do not think many people of non-Christian religions love Jesus. I respect the Golden Rule, but I would not say I love Jesus. Certainly not any more than I would say I love Buddha or Lao Tzu.
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Don't they argue that, technically, everyone is godless?I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.Well, they are godless :P
Depends how annoying the theist is. The one less God argument should only be used against annoying theists. Using it against reasonable people is just overkill.
Don't they argue that, technically, everyone is godless?I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.Well, they are godless :P
*Shrugs* Never heard that one. Though Ann Coulter tends to argue that anyone who disagrees with her is godless.
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CJ, I am curious about your interpretation of John 14. Obviously, anyone is free to post their own feelings on the passage. CJ made a post in another thread that got me thinking.
CJ, you posted One catholic view is that all religious voice is part of that perception, yes even atheism. Though it maybe hard to understand. Would you please elaborate, especially concerning your definition of 'religious' and 'perception'.
I have re-read John 14 and it seems to me Jesus is saying the way to the Father (the good place) is by loving Jesus and keeping his commands. Are you suggesting that most spirituality aligns with Jesus' commands? I do not see another way to reconcile your comment with the passage. Is 'loving' Jesus a euphemism for keeping his commands? I do not think many people of non-Christian religions love Jesus. I respect the Golden Rule, but I would not say I love Jesus. Certainly not any more than I would say I love Buddha or Lao Tzu.
I beleive it's the interpretation of "no one comes to the Father except through me" that goes "because God wouldn't punish people who live a moral life just because hey don't believe in Him, those who live a moral life, even if the y don't believe, are effectively following Jesus' commands and so will find the Father". Please note, I'm not Catholic, or even Chsristian,and this is a half-remembered conversation with someone else so may not be at all relevant or correct.
I also believe that is what CJ is implying. However, that seems a very liberal reading.
He says "I am the way", not "I am one way".
He also says, "…he who is believing in me, the works that I do -- that one also shall do." Which, if we take him to mean just keeping the Golden Rule is sufficient, then people who practice it would also be able to perform miracles.
I'm not saying that it's right. Just that it is. And that it will still take some time for people to get used to you.
And it and its being is the problem, sure. But the kind of reactions one gets from being very tall or wearing a strange hat are quite different from the ones gotten by a guy giving his boyfriend a peck on the cheek. It's not just that we're unusual, it's that we're, well, scary. :)
I get that a lot. I think it's because bits of baby get stuck in my beard when I'm eating and I don't always get them all out right away. Really should be more attentive about that. Or because I look a little bit like Rasputin.
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*Shrugs* Never heard that one. Though Ann Coulter tends to argue that anyone who disagrees with her is godless.Don't they argue that, technically, everyone is godless?I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.Well, they are godless :P
Don't you mean "him"?
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Don't you mean "him"?*Shrugs* Never heard that one. Though Ann Coulter tends to argue that anyone who disagrees with her is godless.Don't they argue that, technically, everyone is godless?I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.Well, they are godless :P
Ann Coulter is a dude?
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Ann Coulter is a dude?Don't you mean "him"?*Shrugs* Never heard that one. Though Ann Coulter tends to argue that anyone who disagrees with her is godless.Don't they argue that, technically, everyone is godless?I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.Well, they are godless :P
The Adam's apple don't lie ;)
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The Adam's apple don't lie ;)Ann Coulter is a dude?Don't you mean "him"?*Shrugs* Never heard that one. Though Ann Coulter tends to argue that anyone who disagrees with her is godless.Don't they argue that, technically, everyone is godless?I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.Well, they are godless :P
You bring up a valid point. WWBOD?
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You bring up a valid point. WWBOD?The Adam's apple don't lie ;)Ann Coulter is a dude?Don't you mean "him"?*Shrugs* Never heard that one. Though Ann Coulter tends to argue that anyone who disagrees with her is godless.Don't they argue that, technically, everyone is godless?I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.Well, they are godless :P
Smoke a Marlboro Light and push for more ineffective legislation?
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Smoke a Marlboro Light and push for more ineffective legislation?You bring up a valid point. WWBOD?The Adam's apple don't lie ;)Ann Coulter is a dude?Don't you mean "him"?*Shrugs* Never heard that one. Though Ann Coulter tends to argue that anyone who disagrees with her is godless.Don't they argue that, technically, everyone is godless?I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.Well, they are godless :P
I meant Bill O'Reilly, but whatevs.
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I meant Bill O'Reilly, but whatevs.Smoke a Marlboro Light and push for more ineffective legislation?You bring up a valid point. WWBOD?The Adam's apple don't lie ;)Ann Coulter is a dude?Don't you mean "him"?*Shrugs* Never heard that one. Though Ann Coulter tends to argue that anyone who disagrees with her is godless.Don't they argue that, technically, everyone is godless?I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.Well, they are godless :P
Oh, THAT B.O. He'd call someone a pinhead and write another crime novel with hard core bondage scenes.
... Gays are still very much in the minority....
"Still"...
Hehe. I love that.
... Gays are still very much in the minority...."Still"...
Hehe. I love that.
We're reproducing as fast as we can, Cap'n! It canna take much more of this!
Don't you mean "him"?*Shrugs* Never heard that one. Though Ann Coulter tends to argue that anyone who disagrees with her is godless.Don't they argue that, technically, everyone is godless?I think it will take a long time for the public to come to terms with the fact that atheists are not godless pinko commie fascists who want to kill all the religious.Well, they are godless :P
I have never much liked this default swipe on Coulter. The fact that she stores her genitals on the inside is immaterial to the psychological horror show that goes on in her skull and comes out her mouth. It's low, petty, and distracts from just how screwed up she really is.
...and that's me saying that.
We're reproducing as fast as we can, Cap'n! It canna take much more of this!... Gays are still very much in the minority...."Still"...
Hehe. I love that.
Thank you, mitosis.
EWWWWW Breeder!!!!!
I know. This is the sacrifice I make for our people. :)
We're reproducing as fast as we can, Cap'n! It canna take much more of this!... Gays are still very much in the minority...."Still"...
Hehe. I love that.
And this is what people are afraid of. If we allow the gays to marry they could double or perhaps even triple the number of offspring they and their partners can produce.
Let me do the math real quick… Let’s see, nothin’ multiplied by nothin’… carry the nothin’…
Well, I’m no math wiz, but as you can see the numbers would be staggering.