I want to start this thread to (hopefully) collect the ideas for the ecology of... articles in one place. Perhaps with some sort of poll at the end of it ?
I would like to see more articles on the "basic" humanoid races, like orcs, goblins, gnolls, bugbears, ogres and so on, like the hobgoblins in issue 309.
I liked that one very much, kudos to Terry Edwards for it (even if I´m late for this...)
Stefan
When I saw the title for this thread, my first thought was bugbears. I am also a fan or the classic D&D humanoid baddies. Gnolls, orcs, and goblins, Oh My!
* Bulette
* Leucrottas
* Medusae
* Barghest
* Dryad
* Formian
* Genies
* Gibbering mouthers
* Hags
* Hydras
* Locathah
* Sahuagin
* Magmin
* Minotaur
* Naga
* Rakshasa
* Trolls
And from the Epic Level Handbook...
* Gibbering orbs
* LeShay
* Hoary Hunters
* Mercane
* Neh-thalggu
I'm fairly sure some of these may have been done, but here's my ideas.
* Medusae
* Genies
* Rakshasa
Mmm...These are tasty ideas, especially the Rakshasa - I wouldn't mind seeing the Eberron subraces brought more fully into the fold.
How much are ecology writers bound by ecologies published for earlier editions of the game?
Wes has posted elsewhere that a query for anything previously done is subject to far greater scrutiny, and that submitting for anything that appeared in the last 100 issues or so for ecologies didn't stand a much chance of getting in. He also posted a definitive list of ecologies that have appeared in the magazine, to save himself from us swamping him with such things. Sadly it has sunk into the archives, but if you search under Wes's name, you'll probably be able to turn it up. (sorry, not good at that whole url linking thing, or I'd find it for you).
- Ashavan
If you scroll back through the thread, you'll find some other good stuff from Wes.
good call on the link, and good idea for a thread. :) i might just want to get a query together myself...
I'm glad this thread is getting some attention; I've got a few ideas perking away... Thanks for the link, as well. I went and read the old thread, and that just added to my inspiration. By the way, did anyone like the old Monster Hunters ecology articles? Another poster referred to them as the "Fiction and Footnotes" style. I liked the Monster Hunters, and enjoyed the articles, but I detest footnotes. I wouldn't mind seeing the Monster Hunters' return, but I'd rather the crunchy parts were sidebarred or collected at the end of the article (maybe endnotes with full-size text). Dragon has had enough complaints about fonts, pitch, and readability without returning to the teeeeeny-tiny footnotes of yore. Just my $0.02!
i'm thinking of pitching some of the following. would any of these be not worthwhile? have any been done already that i missed, or have any of them not yet been converted to 3E?
Aarakocra
Bullywug
Couatl
Derro
Faerie Dragon
Firbolg
Fomorian
Giant Eagle
Grig
Ki-rin
Kuo-Toa
Myconid
Lizard king
Pegasus
Seawolf
Selkie
Sylph
Triton
Werebear
Wereboar
Weretiger
Werewolf
I love the faerie dragon. In fact, the same faerie dragon (named Mortimer :D ) appears in every one of my campaigns. :) But I don't think there's a WotC 3.x version of the little critters yet.
I love the faerie dragon. In fact, the same faerie dragon (named Mortimer :D ) appears in every one of my campaigns. :) But I don't think there's a WotC 3.x version of the little critters yet.
There is in the Dragonomicon. It doesn't do age catagories or anything like previous versions, but it's there.
G3
I love the faerie dragon. In fact, the same faerie dragon (named Mortimer :D ) appears in every one of my campaigns. :) But I don't think there's a WotC 3.x version of the little critters yet.There is in the Dragonomicon. It doesn't do age catagories or anything like previous versions, but it's there.
G3
While of course your luck may vary, I have pitched and had rejected both an effort for a feature article returning faerie dragons to true dragon status and an ecology of the faerie dragon.
That said, every query focuses on different things and I'd certainly welcome someone else successfully getting the faerie dragon featured.
- Ashavan
well, that's a couple of votes in favor of the faerie dragon (as well as a word of warning) - anyone else have comments on those i mentioned? :)
so far the only Ecologies i queried for were minotaurs and frost giants (hoping to ride one Demonomicon article or another), but both were declined. ;)
From your list, BOZ, my favorites are the firbolg and the werebear. The firbolg always inspired me with its Celtic/Norse kind of flavor, and the LG werebear is sort of the lycanthropic odd-man-out. Just so you know, the lizard king gets a pretty good (almost ecology-like) treatment in the FR book "Serpent Kingdoms." Sorry, though, faerie dragons aren't my cup of tea.
Good thread.
Personally I think that Ecology articles to do with Demons and Devils would be fascinating and I can't recall any in the recent issues of Dragon.
I would like to see them focus on the classic monsters, ones that have been around since the beginning of the game and haven't received as much attention as perhaps they should.
On another note, it was nice to see the resurrection of the Xvart back in issue 339, and it got me thinking that it would be cool to see an Ecology article written on one of them.....
From your list, BOZ, my favorites are the firbolg and the werebear. The firbolg always inspired me with its Celtic/Norse kind of flavor, and the LG werebear is sort of the lycanthropic odd-man-out. Just so you know, the lizard king gets a pretty good (almost ecology-like) treatment in the FR book "Serpent Kingdoms." Sorry, though, faerie dragons aren't my cup of tea.
thanks for the input. :)
From your list, BOZ, my favorites are the firbolg and the werebear. The firbolg always inspired me with its Celtic/Norse kind of flavor, and the LG werebear is sort of the lycanthropic odd-man-out. Just so you know, the lizard king gets a pretty good (almost ecology-like) treatment in the FR book "Serpent Kingdoms." Sorry, though, faerie dragons aren't my cup of tea.thanks for the input. :)
BOZ -
I noted some fey in your list... just note that you need to make these especially compelling. Wes is willing to run fey, but considers them, for the most part, pretty boring. He needs to know they won't be in your article to get it by the first hurdle. It can be done... I have faith in your efforts.
- Ashavan
that brings up a good point... would i be best off to send these to the usual e-mail address or send them straight off to Wes?
that brings up a good point... would i be best off to send these to the usual e-mail address or send them straight off to Wes?
If you've worked with Wes and have his email, send them to him directly, otherwise use the base dragon@paizo.com email.
- Ashavan
makes sense. :)
Hey!
Does anyone know if there has been an Ecology of the Grimlock? Could you point me in the right direction? If not consider this a request paizo!
;P
Peace,
tfad
follow the link I posted further up in this thread - it has a list of all the ecology articles ever printed, up to that point.
Hey!
Does anyone know if there has been an Ecology of the Grimlock? Could you point me in the right direction? If not consider this a request paizo!
;PPeace,
tfad
Grimlock was in issue #327
- Ashavan
I read the list, and this wasn't on it, so it could be possible. Here goes: Ecology of the Gamer. lol It could be done for the April Fools issue. Last year's 'Flaws for Commoners' in Class Acts was hilarious, and this could be something similar for the Ecology section. Just a thought.
i think there was once an Ecology of the DM way back in the day in an April issue. ;)
Ecology of the DM? *shutter* I guess Dragon has done evil-themed issues in the past. :P
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Has there ever been an Ecology of the Naga. That could be pretty cool. Although with all the different types of Naga it could also be reeeeeaaaaallllllyyyyy looooooonnnnnngggg. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Also, I wouldn't mind seeing an Ecology of the...
-the Sphinx
-the Ettercap
-the Manticore
-the stirge (being from New Orleans, I have a soft spot for anything resembling a giant mosquito)
Has there ever been an Ecology of the Naga. That could be pretty cool. Although with all the different types of Naga it could also be reeeeeaaaaallllllyyyyy looooooonnnnnngggg. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Also, I wouldn't mind seeing an Ecology of the...
-the Sphinx
-the Ettercap
-the Manticore
-the stirge (being from New Orleans, I have a soft spot for anything resembling a giant mosquito)
The Dark Naga has been done, and most serpent races, including the naga, have been treated in Serpent Kingdoms.
Sphinx was in issue 244
Manticore was in issue 153
Stirge was in issue 239 (and prior to that in issue 83)
All of those issues were some time ago, but the existence of a prior article can make it much more difficult to get an ecology article past Wes.
- Ashavan
well, that does leave the ettercap free then. ;)
---Modrons (update to 3.5 from the WotC Manual of the Planes WE)
---Slaads (new slaad lord, Ygorl)
---Rilmani (update the other 3 types)
:D
Ygorl isn't new! ;) unless, of course, you're just referring to the fact that he hasn't appeared in 3E yet...
Ecology of the Adventurer next issue(#342). I can't wait!
Personally I think there's a ton of MM3 stuff that could use some love. Though the later MMs seem to be marginalized somewhat so I don't know that the guys at Dragon are super keen about dipping into them. Nonetheless here's my picks:
-Gulgar
-Astral Stalker
-Skindancer
-Geriviar
-Lhosk
-Mindshredder
Likewise there's some monsters in the Miniature's Handbook I would be thrilled to find an ecology article on.
-Crucian
-Equiceph
-Kruthik
-Nothic
-Phargion
i was thinking of doing an ecology article on minotaurs although im sure this must of been done before. any idea if thats so?
i was thinking of doing an ecology article on minotaurs although im sure this must of been done before. any idea if thats so?
Minotaur was last done in issue #116, I believe.
Not within the last 100 issues, so it should be fair game for being done again.
- Ashavan
if it helps, i queried the Ecology of the Minotaur (to coincide with Baphomet), and got a "sorry, not needed at this time."
of course, attitudes change, so try again if you like. :)
yeah thought that the baphomet article would scupper any minotaur ecology. two other ideas i had were the goatkind and the clockwork horror (my preferance).
yeah thought that the baphomet article would scupper any minotaur ecology. two other ideas i had were the goatkind and the clockwork horror (my preferance).
Stop telling us and start sending the ideas to Wes!
- Ashavan
I wonder if anyone would get it if I said Ecology of Door.
Does anyone have a full list of the "ecologys of" and their dragon Issues?
If you scroll back through the thread, you'll find some other good stuff from Wes.
Right here in this thread...
Barghest
Yeth Hound
Manticore
Wyvern
As a twist, how about users guides for undead and constructs? It would bring to the fore not only some lesser known creatures, but creatures that could be player created, and theme in with the new Eberron setting. examples include
Create crypt thing (4th level necromancy)
Create Baneservent (4th level necromany)
Create Fell beast (4th level alteration)
Otherwise cast another vote for faerie dragon.
IIRC, there have been ecology articles on constructs and undead, even going fairly far back. :)
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& maybe for d20 modern demonic cars!