Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Pathfinder Unchained (OGL)

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Get ready to shake up your game! Within these pages, the designers of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game unleash their wildest ideas, and nothing is safe. From totally revised fundamentals like core classes and monster design to brand-new systems for expanding the way you play, this book offers fresh ideas while still blending with the existing system. With Pathfinder Unchained, you become the game designer!

Pathfinder Unchained is an indispensable companion to the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Core Rulebook. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 15 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into a new era.

Pathfinder Unchained includes:

  • New versions of the barbarian, monk, rogue, and summoner classes, all revised to make them more balanced and easier to play.
  • New skill options for both those who want more skills to fill out their characters' backgrounds and those seeking streamlined systems for speed and simplicity.
  • Changes to how combat works, from a revised action system to an exhaustive list of combat tricks that draw upon your character's stamina.
  • Magic items that power up with you throughout your career—and ways to maintain variety while still letting players choose the "best" magic items.
  • Simplified monster creation rules for making new creatures on the fly.
  • Exotic material components ready to supercharge your spellcasting.
  • New takes on alignment, multiclassing, iterative attacks, wounds, diseases and poisons, and item creation.
  • ... and much, much more!

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Classes:

The unchained classes keep all the good parts of their predecessors while bringing them up to date with modern design principles.

Barbarian: Math and temporary HP are nice changes, but the idea of stance rage powers really shine. It's awesome to see that rage cycling essentially gets removed by keeping options enabled at all times.

Monk: The monk changes are really fantastic, and allow for a wide range of character concepts. You can rebuild the old monk using the new build, but it's also designed to more strongly follow wuxia archetypes and martial arts movies than the somewhat bland ascetic he was in 3.5.

Rogue: In the ACG, the Slayer firmly became the combat assassin (Ezio), while the investigator did the same to the role of skill monkey and flexible combatant (Sherlock). This, of course, left the rogue in somewhat a bad spot. If you can consider the ninja to be the "magical" rogue, the Unchained rogue successfully picks up its mantle as the jack-of-all trades it once was conceptualized as. It easily stands next to the slayer and investigator, and provides plenty of options to out-skill the slayer and out-fight the investigator.

Summoner: I'm not a huge fan of summoners to begin with, but the changes are pretty much what you'd expect them to be. If you've been put off by the power of the old summoner, the new summoner is definitely a better fit for most games.

Multiclassing: The attention the book pays to MC characters is fantastic, and features systems for partial BAB and saves from 3.5 Unearthed Arcana. In addition, the optional multiclass system (where a character trades feats for class features from another class) is pretty interesting and thematic. Multiclassing is still going to exist, but if you only want a few features, it saves you from having to dip. Multiclass players rejoice!

Mechanic Wording: It's nice to see changes to uncanny dodge to be inclusive of all sneak-attack classes rather than just rogues. For 3PP users and current-content players alike, this is a simple, clever change. This also allows the UX rogue to avoid the pesky spectre of not being able to sneak attack in dark alleys.

Stamina: This is really good for all martial characters, and particularly fighters. If you want an UX fighter, just let them have stamina and close it off to everyone else. But either way, it's a really, really well-done system with practical drawbacks (read: spells that cause fatigue are now a lot more dangerous).

Skills: I think the skills offer a bit of something for everyone. Personally, I thought the distinction between background and adventuring skills to be highly welcome, as well as the ability to pick and choose what consolidated skill sets you'd like to utilize. I'm not a huge fan of the skill groups system for players, but it makes NPC generation a lot faster. Additionally, several options for people who dedicate lots of time to a skill is reminiscent of Complete Scoundrel (3.5)'s skill tricks, and is well-done, though some benefits are questionable for the amount of expertise you need to include.

Alignment: There's a gaggle of options for alignment. I think the relative alignment (which, in the book's own words, treats moral dilemmas as boss encounters rather than minutiae) is well-done. The other stuff is definitely worth a read.

Action Economy: There's rules for moving the combat system away from the traditional Standard/Move dynamics. It's not for me, but it's pretty slick. Same thing with full attacks, although I'm not sure the design of the alternate full attack actually succeeds in speeding up the game.

Combat: Wounds system is cool and simple. Not what I'd use, but it's interesting if you want it. The disease/poison changes are perfect updates to the relative complexity of ability damage. It would be super easy to make them into talents for poisoner-types.

Spells: Of the magic section, I thought simplified magic was the best system, but I'd probably give prepared casters more options than just the base spell pool (which seems really small, all things considered). The other stuff is cool and versatile.

Items: Automatic bonuses are the easiest to implement, but I like inherent bonuses on magic items too. Scaling is neat, but I'd rather houserule it than codify. The new crafting system is super cool, but it's not the wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am that current crafting is. It's great for flavor, but not necessarily the right fit for every magic item. All in all, this is a hugely useful system.

Creatures: This is a more robust version of the rules used to design new monsters. It's very useful if that's your thing.

For players: Unchained offers a wealth of new applications for your character, particularly is you're martially or skill oriented. But...

For GMs: ...this book is a GM's book, and lets them tinker with systems to make their game their own. This is Pathfinder's Unearthed Arcana, and it does 3.5's one better. There's no content in here I think nobody will use, unlike, say, generic classes.

Overall: This book is a hugely useful tool to experienced GMs to make their d20 experience more tailored to their own interests. There's a lot of 4e-esque content here, but that's not a bad thing, and it's done in such a way to emphasize options and uniqueness rather than homogeneity.

This is easily the most important book for a GM to own besides the core rules, and it only gains more use as you open more and more of Paizo's other fantastic options.


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Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

My Giant Slayer game is making use of Consolidated Skills, Background Skills, Stamina, Skill Unlocks, Unchained Rogue, Unchained Barbarian, Unchained Poison/Diseases.

Plenty of cool stuff if you're willing to homebrew some character sheets, and keep an open mind.


It's the same thing, but it has more VMC and it expands it so that you can multiclass even deeper. I would also recommend the Feats of Multiclassing from RGG. It basically gives you a very minor dip into a class or you can continue along the chain and get a little deeper. You can even combine them into an even more unique build.


My Hell's Rebels game is using a lot from this book, including bonus progression. I have a problem with how it's written as it seems to penalize players. normally, any weapon or armor can have a total of +10 magical bonuses to it with no more than +5 of those being enhancement bonuses. the other +5 can be weapon/armor special qualities. however, if using the bonus progression everything is limited to a total of +5. While on the surface this seems ok because you can apply the enhancement bonus via attunement; it's actually a hindrance and a cheat to the players.

Verbatim from the book:

"In this system, magic weapons, armor, and shields never have
enhancement bonuses of their own; those bonuses are granted
only through attunement. Any weapon, armor, or shield
special abilities on attuned items count against a character’s
enhancement bonus from attunement. To determine an
attuned magic item’s enhancement bonus, subtract the cost
of its special ability from the enhancement bonus granted by
attunement. (This applies only to special abilities whose cost
is equivalent to an enhancement bonus, not to those that cost
a f lat amount of gold pieces.) For example, if a character with
a +3 enhancement bonus from weapon attunement wields a
keen scimitar, she subtracts 1 point of her enhancement bonus
(for the cost of keen), leaving her with a +2 keen scimitar. If a
character doesn’t have enough of an enhancement bonus to
afford the special ability (such as a 4th-level character with a
vorpal longsword), she can still use the weapon’s power on its
own, but the weapon gains no enhancement bonus."

Now I understand this seems like it's being done due to cost, this is not legal for society play. so why hurt a players that want to use this system in this manner? it seems like this system is a waste and the only thing you gain from is is not loosing certain slots for magic items to gear people always take; rings or protection, cloaks of resistance, belts of physical stat enhancement, headbands of mental stat enhancement, amulets of natural armor. So players get versatility in 5 magic slots but must give up being able to have a +5 enhancement bonus on an item that already has +5 special bonuses on it. seems really stupid and not very enticing to use. I think you should review and update


You can use your Legendary Gifts from levels 19-22 to increase your Effective Weapon Enhancement from Attunement to +10. Although it does mean you cannot have a +10 weapon until 20th level unless you are a Magus or similar class that an Arcane Pool-like class feature which they can use to stack special abilities onto an Attuned Weapon.

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Cantriped is correct. However, you also almost certainly want to look at the rules in this blog. They are more accurate to the costs of the original system for weapons and armor with special abilities, but it can be less approachable in the math. If your group is able to understand the math of the system in the blog (which was the original system from the book that we changed because of its complication, not its fidelity), it is likely a good idea to use it.

In all things, remember, Unchained is a toolbox for modding your game; it's all about the idea that the game is most fun when you adjust it to match your group's playstyle!


Regarding the Unchained Summoner:
The general entry for the Biped Base Form lists that it has 2 claw attacks. Is this still true of Eidolons subtypes that do not include the term "claw" in their more specific Base Form entry (such as the Azata, Fey, and Kyton subtypes)?

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It's the default, but that general default is replaced by the specific evolutions listed by subtype. It's only there in case a later subtype wants to save space and use the default, but it might be more confusing than it's worth.


Thank you for the clarification!
Fortunately for my current Non-PFS Fey-Caller I assumed this would be the case. Although it does put the Fey Eidolon in the unfortunate position of being the only Eidolon Subtype (I know of) with no Natural Attacks or Weapon Proficiencies at 1st level; unless you invest in one of the few Evolutions they can take which grants one.

But I agree the RAW was a little confusing to me.
The subtype specific Base Form section lists claw and slam and other such traits as bonus evolutions, which based upon the descriptions of said evolutions would logically be added to or replaced qualities extant in the more General Base Form entry described later in the class description. The implication was that an eidolon subtype that granted a slam evolution to its biped base form would have replaced one of the two claws it "naturally" had, and an eidolon subtype that granted the claws evolution would have replaced the biped base form's extant claws with two identical claws. But... that didn't seem right given the formatting of the subtypes, so I assumed it was simply a Cut & Paste oversight when Unchaining the class.


If you ever get around to an Errata for Pathfinder Unchained, that might be a point worthy of an extra line of clarification regarding. You might even be able to save page space by simply removing the "Attacks" section from each of the General Base Form entries.


What's going on with the Improved Feint combat trick?

As it stands, that combat trick is only useful for a character who normally wouldn't be able to qualify for the Improved Feint feat.

The rest of that combat trick description basically lets a character use the feat but only if he pays stamina points for the privilege.

What's the benefit for a character who already has Improved Feint, and therefore can already feint as a move action? It looks like there is some missing (or misplaced) text here.

Sovereign Court

Bellona wrote:

What's going on with the Improved Feint combat trick?

As it stands, that combat trick is only useful for a character who normally wouldn't be able to qualify for the Improved Feint feat.

The rest of that combat trick description basically lets a character use the feat but only if he pays stamina points for the privilege.

What's the benefit for a character who already has Improved Feint, and therefore can already feint as a move action? It looks like there is some missing (or misplaced) text here.

So, you don’t need int13 and combat expertise.


Isn't that a chicken/egg situation? One can't choose the Improved Feint combat trick unless one already has the Improved Feint feat. If one already has the feat, then one has the qualifications for the feat (Int 13), so the first part of the combat trick text is irrelevant.

Combat Stamina (Pathfinder Unchained p. 112-113) wrote:

Special:

Since you have a stamina pool, you can spend your stamina points to use any combat tricks associated with combat feats you possess.

Unless you're suggesting a really corner case where a character takes the feat but cannot use it because he doesn't fulfill the pre-requisites, and then makes use of the matching combat trick in order to ignore those pre-requisites and be able to use the feat?

More to the point, the Improved Feint feat allows the user to feint as a move action. The matching Improved Feint combat trick allows the user to feint as a move action. There is no point to the combat trick for someone who already has the feat, and that sounds like it goes against the design philosophy of combat tricks.

All of which is why I was wondering if there is some missing text.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Considering it’s a 5 stamina point effect, I suspect the word “move” should actually be “swift”. Worth a thread in Rules Questions and some FAQ clicks.

Edit: or FAQ-click this post.


Bellona wrote:

Isn't that a chicken/egg situation? One can't choose the Improved Feint combat trick unless one already has the Improved Feint feat. If one already has the feat, then one has the qualifications for the feat (Int 13), so the first part of the combat trick text is irrelevant.

Combat Stamina (Pathfinder Unchained p. 112-113) wrote:

Special:

Since you have a stamina pool, you can spend your stamina points to use any combat tricks associated with combat feats you possess.

Unless you're suggesting a really corner case where a character takes the feat but cannot use it because he doesn't fulfill the pre-requisites, and then makes use of the matching combat trick in order to ignore those pre-requisites and be able to use the feat?

More to the point, the Improved Feint feat allows the user to feint as a move action. The matching Improved Feint combat trick allows the user to feint as a move action. There is no point to the combat trick for someone who already has the feat, and that sounds like it goes against the design philosophy of combat tricks.

All of which is why I was wondering if there is some missing text.

If you take Combat Stamina before you take Combat Expertise, then you qualify for the latter feat even without Int 13+. That is the only interpretation that can possibly work for this feat combination.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

So I was looking at the Alternate Profession Rules, and I cannot seem to find any benefit to having more than the minimum number of Employees once you have a Medium or Large size business. It seems that all they do is provide a penalty once you hit a certain point, is there something missing that got cut?

Grand Lodge

Does anyone know why the price scaling for the sacred avenger scaling item is so off? Reading it, it honestly seems like it's actually a scaled version of the holy avenger, which is 120,630 gold and costs 60,630 gold, but the sacred avenger says its base price is 4800 gp (which is a lie, it shouldn't cost more than 4,315 because that's what a normal +1 cold iron longsword costs and this is only masterwork to a non-paladin so it should actually be even cheaper). It could be a nonmythic version of the sacred avenger from Mythic Adventures, but even that doesn't make sense because then the base should still be a +3 cold iron longsword while in the hands of a paladin it's a +5 holy defiant longsword and the SR is granted to everyone within 10 feet. So it can't really be that despite it sharing the same name.

So if you break it down, the cost for the scaled sacred avenger is listed at 64,500 making the market price somewhere in around 128,685. What exactly is the PC paying for that's worth them losing 30% of their wealth for the entirely of level 17 when a regular holy avenger is 8,055 gp less and it's holy? Even a standard +5 holy cold iron longsword without the SR and greater dispel is 100,315 gp. I'm very curious.

I think this is definitely a big math issue and someone in post didn't ask to see the work. Math 101: always show the work.

Maybe it's because of the new spell math for scaling items, and it somehow breaks down terribly, but as I said, a regular holy avenger is cheaper and has more stuff.


Am I right in thinking this book has been left out of the pocket edition printings?

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