CapeCod look at the date the PDF will be available.
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Honestly, I'm probably going to buy this book because I play a lot of divine characters and divine options are yummy.......however, I’m scared that it will be regurgitated information. Something have noticed about Paizo is that they release the same information in several sources with only a little bit extra in each source. Few books have substantial original content. WotC had this same problem ( haven’t looked at anything since 3.5 by them so am unable to say if they corrected/stopped doing this).
I normally buy the PDFs because they are cheaper and the fact that so many sources have the same information only reinforces that this is the right course of action for me. With that in mind I am going to be really upset if I spend $28 on this PDF and it has only has $3 worth of new and original content.
CapeCod look at the date the PDF will be available.That tells me date of the PDF, not the date of the book.
the PDF date is also the street date.
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Honestly, I'm probably going to buy this book because I play a lot of divine characters and divine options are yummy.......however, I’m scared that it will be regurgitated information. Something have noticed about Paizo is that they release the same information in several sources with only a little bit extra in each source.
Because the basic information about the setting's deities have not changed, much of the information (especially on the core 20 deities of the Inner Sea region) will not be new. That isn't to say there won't be anything new in these sections (we specifically added new details that hadn't been introduced before), but descriptions of the gods' appearances, faiths, followers, and so forth will be largely the same. This book does present a large number of new mechanics, including a few picked up from other sources due to their thematic appropriateness, and either updated from 3.5 or kept largely the same.
When making a book of this size, unless it's on something completely new, like an as-yet-unexplored continent of the setting, a certain amount of "regurgitation" is inevitable. We'd be doing a disservice to people who purchased this book under the pretense that it was the definitive tome on religion in the Inner Sea region if it simply referred them to the 20+ deity articles in the pages of Pathfinder Adventure Path instead of presenting the information they'd expected. That does mean that some folks will be upset that they "paid twice" for something, but in large part, it's unavoidable.
Having gone over the entire book a number of times in the process of development, I'm confident there's enough new or updated content in this book that the elements which are reprinted or repeated from previous sources won't be what most readers notice, and will thus feel they've gotten their money's worth.
Honestly, I'm probably going to buy this book because I play a lot of divine characters and divine options are yummy.......however, I’m scared that it will be regurgitated information. Something have noticed about Paizo is that they release the same information in several sources with only a little bit extra in each source.Because the basic information about the setting's deities have not changed, much of the information (especially on the core 20 deities of the Inner Sea region) will not be new. That isn't to say there won't be anything new in these sections (we specifically added new details that hadn't been introduced before), but descriptions of the gods' appearances, faiths, followers, and so forth will be largely the same. This book does present a large number of new mechanics, including a few picked up from other sources due to their thematic appropriateness, and either updated from 3.5 or kept largely the same.
When making a book of this size, unless it's on something completely new, like an as-yet-unexplored continent of the setting, a certain amount of "regurgitation" is inevitable. We'd be doing a disservice to people who purchased this book under the pretense that it was the definitive tome on religion in the Inner Sea region if it simply referred them to the 20+ deity articles in the pages of Pathfinder Adventure Path instead of presenting the information they'd expected. That does mean that some folks will be upset that they "paid twice" for something, but in large part, it's unavoidable.
Having gone over the entire book a number of times in the process of development, I'm confident there's enough new or updated content in this book that the elements which are reprinted or repeated from previous sources won't be what most readers notice, and will thus feel they've gotten their money's worth.
Understandable, but are the deity articles *literally* the same, or were they re-written? Because there are a lot of questions about the deities that people would like to see addressed, and moreover...there's aspects of certain deities that have been deemed non-canon, such as Erastil's misogyny.
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Understandable, but are the deity articles *literally* the same, or were they re-written? Because there are a lot of questions about...Honestly, I'm probably going to buy this book because I play a lot of divine characters and divine options are yummy.......however, I’m scared that it will be regurgitated information. Something have noticed about Paizo is that they release the same information in several sources with only a little bit extra in each source.Because the basic information about the setting's deities have not changed, much of the information (especially on the core 20 deities of the Inner Sea region) will not be new. That isn't to say there won't be anything new in these sections (we specifically added new details that hadn't been introduced before), but descriptions of the gods' appearances, faiths, followers, and so forth will be largely the same. This book does present a large number of new mechanics, including a few picked up from other sources due to their thematic appropriateness, and either updated from 3.5 or kept largely the same.
When making a book of this size, unless it's on something completely new, like an as-yet-unexplored continent of the setting, a certain amount of "regurgitation" is inevitable. We'd be doing a disservice to people who purchased this book under the pretense that it was the definitive tome on religion in the Inner Sea region if it simply referred them to the 20+ deity articles in the pages of Pathfinder Adventure Path instead of presenting the information they'd expected. That does mean that some folks will be upset that they "paid twice" for something, but in large part, it's unavoidable.
Having gone over the entire book a number of times in the process of development, I'm confident there's enough new or updated content in this book that the elements which are reprinted or repeated from previous sources won't be what most readers notice, and will thus feel they've gotten their money's worth.
All of the articles got at least partially rewritten.
Did the core 20 get new artwork?
Just watched the Know Direction interview with Mr. Schneider. It sounds like it's going to be magnificent. I suggest anyone interested in this one go watch it after the live show is over.
Did the core 20 get new artwork?
I'm pretty sure they each got at least one new piece, yes.
Did the core 20 get new artwork?I'm pretty sure they each got at least one new piece, yes.
Yay!
So, chances are that the re-written Asmodeus article won't mention Paladins of Asmodeus. ;)
If I recall correctly, Wes was the one who went through that one, so he'd have to weigh in.
Just watched the Know Direction interview with Mr. Schneider. It sounds like it's going to be magnificent. I suggest anyone interested in this one go watch it after the live show is over.
I missed that podcast and was hoping to see it on the Youtube channel, but I can't find it now.
Just watched the Know Direction interview with Mr. Schneider. It sounds like it's going to be magnificent. I suggest anyone interested in this one go watch it after the live show is over.I missed that podcast and was hoping to see it on the Youtube channel, but I can't find it now.
Thanks. I don't know why it's not showing up on my feed. I am subscribed to them.
The new youtube layout is kinda dumb; my subscriptions don't show up in order at all, forcing me to have to search out the latest videos.
I'm not sure why I bother subscribing to anything on there anymore :P
The new youtube layout is kinda dumb; my subscriptions don't show up in order at all, forcing me to have to search out the latest videos.
I'm not sure why I bother subscribing to anything on there anymore :P
For me, I couldn't even see the video when I went to their channel. Was really odd.
Thanks again though. Wrapping it up and Inner Sea Gods sounds good.
Just wondering, Is the info on temples general architectural style or specific locations? Also are arch-priests and personalities mentioned?
There was a rather nice list of (in)famous spellcasters in Inner Sea Magic which would be nice to see for the high priests around the Inner Sea. Khemet III was the only high level cleric mentioned and I really think he's got better things to do then scribe a bunch of resurrection scrolls...
Both of those vary a bit by deity.
Just got a shock seeing this in my subscription: an extra $28 in shipping.
I've had to cancel my subscription: please don't put hardcovers in the line like that, or at least send e-mails to international subscribers so that we have fair warning.
Eh, still cheaper than me buying it here after factoring in shipping. But yeah, I agree that it can be a bit of a shock seeing that boost in shipping costs due to hard covers.
That said, this product was announced a long time ago, and was clearly stated to be a hardcover and part of the Campaign Setting subscription, so that could be considered a warning.
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Just got a shock seeing this in my subscription: an extra $28 in shipping.
I've had to cancel my subscription: please don't put hardcovers in the line like that, or at least send e-mails to international subscribers so that we have fair warning.
I know what you mean, my subscription cost for this month is a solid 123$, more than double of what it usually is. I won't cancel my subscription, but this is too much, especially since the hardcover with shipping is nearly half of that cost.
I agree with your sentiment Geraint, please don't put hardcovers in the regular subscriptions.
I agree with your sentiment Geraint, please don't put hardcovers in the regular subscriptions.
But if they take it out of the subscription, then there would be no way to get the book+pdf bundle :(
I actually started up my Campaign Setting subscription again specifically for this book.
I went on subscription for the first time for this book in particular, But I didn't want Inner Sea Combat (I was just going to get the PDF later). So I emailed them asking to have my subscription be only for this book and cancelled afterword. They came back saying that this can be done, so right now I have my subscription labeled as cancelled and this book in my sidecart. I hope this complication doesn't mean the way I receive it changes from the other subscribers.
Ever since I saw Wes's interview, my interest in this book has increased 100-fold. Though the sad thing in all of this is that I'm in Wales right now and while I will get the PDF, I won't get to see my actual hardcover until I return home to the states in late May.
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I agree with your sentiment Geraint, please don't put hardcovers in the regular subscriptions.But if they take it out of the subscription, then there would be no way to get the book+pdf bundle :(
I actually started up my Campaign Setting subscription again specifically for this book.
Same here. I like having the book and the PDF anyway, so I have something solid on my shelf at home and something I can print out a few pages of for PFS games at cons. At $40 for the book and PDF or $28 for just the PDF, I will take the former, thanks. I would like to see a subscription option that let me just get PDFs of all the softcover books.
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I agree with your sentiment Geraint, please don't put hardcovers in the regular subscriptions.But if they take it out of the subscription, then there would be no way to get the book+pdf bundle :(
I actually started up my Campaign Setting subscription again specifically for this book.
That could absolutely happen. They could do it the same way they did with the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition, make it an optional part of the subscription so that you order it on your own you also get the PDF.
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Well, they do have a problem with depopulation up there - there are Swedish villages that'd get a 10% population bump if you showed up.
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So, chances are that the re-written Asmodeus article won't mention Paladins of Asmodeus. ;)I have to trust that we did indeed fix that. If we didn't... I might just give up and move to the Arctic Circle and become a hermit.
In defense of that article, it don't cleary state that the Paladins worship Asmodeus directly, just that Asmodeus's church is served by Paladins in it's lawful aspect. The Paladins might just have been manipulated or blackmailed or serve Asmodeus indirectly (like the Hellknight's order of the godclaw).
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In the Know Direction podcast on Wednesday, Wes said there were 3 prestige classes for the different routes of obedience.
I was wondering if this followed the same route as the the Mystery Cultist where the prestige class requires the appropriate obedience feat and the prestige classes primarily quickens the acquisition of boons but I don't necessarily need to take the prestige class to acquire the boons (just the appropriate obedience feat). I'm just curious because actual prestige class levels are a bit invasive and was wondering if there was not-so-invasive routes.
I guess to simplify the question, can I get the Sentinel Obedience abilities as a 20th Level Paladin of Iomedae or 20th Level Inquisitor of Iomedae by taking the Obedience feat or will I need to take the levels in the prestige class? Just how many levels can we expect the prestige class to take up? I have a Dhampir Cleric/(Un)holy Vindicator of Urgathoa I am playing and I would like to get the Exalted group of obediences. I am level tight and will not likely be able to fit the Exalted Prestige class into my build. Will I not be able to get the obedience abilities without the prestige class levels?
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I have to trust that we did indeed fix that. If we didn't... I might just give up and move to the Arctic Circle and become a hermit.
Nothing to worry about, James, see page 24. :)
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In-universe, I suppose there's nothing stopping Asmodean Hellknights or even signifer clerics from calling themselves paladins.
If there is such a thing as a "Paladin of Asmodeus" it'd probably be some kind of Lawful Evil antiapaladin, like one of the PCs in Way of the Wicked.
So, chances are that the re-written Asmodeus article won't mention Paladins of Asmodeus. ;)I have to trust that we did indeed fix that. If we didn't... I might just give up and move to the Arctic Circle and become a hermit.
Watch out for the giant blind penguins! D:
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In-universe, I suppose there's nothing stopping Asmodean Hellknights or even signifer clerics from calling themselves paladins.
What a character is called "in-game" doesn't have to match the class they have taken.
It can just as often be a matter of ethnic/regional terminolgy.
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Watch out for the giant blind penguins! D:So, chances are that the re-written Asmodeus article won't mention Paladins of Asmodeus. ;)I have to trust that we did indeed fix that. If we didn't... I might just give up and move to the Arctic Circle and become a hermit.
Arctic circle... not antarctic. Although moving there would work too.
Arctic circle... not antarctic. Although moving there would work too.Watch out for the giant blind penguins! D:So, chances are that the re-written Asmodeus article won't mention Paladins of Asmodeus. ;)I have to trust that we did indeed fix that. If we didn't... I might just give up and move to the Arctic Circle and become a hermit.
Also, Kurt Russell and Wilford Brimley!
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Paladins to Penguins..........Only on the Internet! :)
also: paladin penguins.
In the Know Direction podcast on Wednesday, Wes said there were 3 prestige classes for the different routes of obedience.
I was wondering if this followed the same route as the the Mystery Cultist where the prestige class requires the appropriate obedience feat and the prestige classes primarily quickens the acquisition of boons but I don't necessarily need to take the prestige class to acquire the boons (just the appropriate obedience feat). I'm just curious because actual prestige class levels are a bit invasive and was wondering if there was not-so-invasive routes.
I guess to simplify the question, can I get the Sentinel Obedience abilities as a 20th Level Paladin of Iomedae or 20th Level Inquisitor of Iomedae by taking the Obedience feat or will I need to take the levels in the prestige class? Just how many levels can we expect the prestige class to take up? I have a Dhampir Cleric/(Un)holy Vindicator of Urgathoa I am playing and I would like to get the Exalted group of obediences. I am level tight and will not likely be able to fit the Exalted Prestige class into my build. Will I not be able to get the obedience abilities without the prestige class levels?
Divine Obedience is a feat prerequisite for all the prestige classes, so my guess is that you probably would be able to get the obediences without the prestige class. That's just my guess though.
Paladins to Penguins..........Only on the Internet! :)
also: paladin penguins.
It can be done, if you don't mind 3rd party publishers.
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Paladins to Penguins..........Only on the Internet! :)
also: paladin penguins.
No, no. They're in Antarctica, so they'd be penguin anti-paladins.
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No, no. They're in Antarctica, so they'd be penguin anti-paladins.Paladins to Penguins..........Only on the Internet! :)
also: paladin penguins.
so its....
Polar Bear Paladins Vs. Penguin Anti-Paladins
FIGHT!
No, no. They're in Antarctica, so they'd be penguin anti-paladins.Paladins to Penguins..........Only on the Internet! :)
also: paladin penguins.
Part of the communist penguin hive-mind, no doubt.
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That's cold Dood. We can dig the free market if we want Dood.
The hosts of Know Direction a couple of nights ago shared their reservations about the Evangelist prestige class. Did anyone else listen to that segment? If so, what do you think?
They didn't know if the Evangelist PrC gets their original class's spell progression. Can anyone clear that up?