The Winter Council


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So, I've been working for months now on a massive rehaul/revamping of pretty much everything Elven in Golarion, going back all of the way to the Age of Darkness/Serpents. But at the same time I've literally been combing every Paizo product available (including new ones) for all references to anything Elven or Elf-related. My goal is to essentially keep as true as possible to every bit of canon but simply fill in the spaces. Very large spaces.

Thus far there's been very little said about the actual government or social structure of the Elves of Kyonin. Pretty much, it's been all summaries/paraphrasing from the Second Darkness AP and Elves of Golarion in all products since these two were published. I was hoping for more information in Inner Sea Races, but again, rehashed stuff. (Though I certainly do think overall the book is a good buy if you don't already have all of the racial splatbooks and then some!)

My question is about the Winter Council. Specifically, what became of then after Second Darkness? Have there been any actual CANON references to the group or its members in print - or even anything from Paizo writers on or off the books?

Note that I am not looking necessarily for what everyone has done or would do with them after Second Darkness. I have a lot of partially-developed plans and ideas already in mind - I'd just like to see if there's any lore "thumb tacks" I'v missed that I should pin into my grand design to work with.

Of course, if you WANT to share original ideas, feel free. I'll be happy to discuss. :D

Silver Crusade

It may be worth giving David Gross's book Queen of Thorns book a try. It takes place in Kyonin.


Already done. But thanks. :)


Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

There isn't likely to be a "canon" for what happened after SD, because in Golarion canon, SD hasn't happened. Rarely is there any reference to changes caused by an AP, and that is because the designers don't want to preclude new players from going back and enjoying those old APs.


From what I've gleaned in my reading, I inferred that the Adventure Paths were more or less "canon," since for the most part they seem occur in the "past" of Golarion (since the current year is 4715.) The start of Rise of the Runelords and Second Darkness are both in 4709. The end of Second Darkness is given a specific date in Golarion's timeline (http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Allevrah - 4709 AR.)

Liberty's Edge

dafelsheim wrote:
From what I've gleaned in my reading, I inferred that the Adventure Paths were more or less "canon," since for the most part they seem occur in the "past" of Golarion (since the current year is 4715.) The start of Rise of the Runelords and Second Darkness are both in 4709. The end of Second Darkness is given a specific date in Golarion's timeline (http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Allevrah - 4709 AR.)

AD publication year + 2000 = AR year

However, that does not mean the events of the AP actually took place. The Wrath of the Righteous AP saw the Worldwound closed... but it is still there so far as every subsequent Golarion product is concerned.

As to Elven politics and the Winter Council... Inner Sea Races has a few mentions.

Dark Archive

Admitadly due to shatterd star things in Second darkness like Runelords and crimson throne are in a bit of an odd place in regards to whether they have happend yet or not. (Plus info in other products does seem to indicate time going foreward slightly.)


CBDunkerson wrote:
dafelsheim wrote:
From what I've gleaned in my reading, I inferred that the Adventure Paths were more or less "canon," since for the most part they seem occur in the "past" of Golarion (since the current year is 4715.) The start of Rise of the Runelords and Second Darkness are both in 4709. The end of Second Darkness is given a specific date in Golarion's timeline (http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Allevrah - 4709 AR.)

AD publication year + 2000 = AR year

However, that does not mean the events of the AP actually took place. The Wrath of the Righteous AP saw the Worldwound closed... but it is still there so far as every subsequent Golarion product is concerned.

As to Elven politics and the Winter Council... Inner Sea Races has a few mentions.

Well, that definitely clears some things up regarding AP's! Thanks. :)


Kevin Mack wrote:
Admitadly due to shatterd star things in Second darkness like Runelords and crimson throne are in a bit of an odd place in regards to whether they have happend yet or not. (Plus info in other products does seem to indicate time going foreward slightly.)

Yeah. Shattered Star specifically takes place after these three. Regarding Second Darkness, the first book of Shattered Star says to assume that the big secret of the Drow that the Elves had been keeping for so long (specifically, the Winter Council) was recent, big news.

Also.

http://archivesofnethys.com/EquipmentMiscDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Pathfinder%2 0Chronicles%20-%20Volume%2044

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