
ruemere |
Bonus point for Philip K. Dick reference.
The questions I have here are:
1. What are the ironborn? It is my understanding that they are pathfinderized counterpart of the warforged, but that's just what I heard.
2. Since I know not the ironborn race, is the supplement usable? I.e. are all the ironborns-specific abilities covered in this product?
3. What is the CR adjustment for Clockwork Creature Template? What creatures can be the template applied to? Is there a simple version of the template included?
4. A final (and somewhat loaded) question (it may come out quite negative, I'll cover it a little to soften the impact - kindly ignore it if you deem it too brutal):
The reason I ask is that while I enjoyed both books, there were certain issues which made me almost drop the books in frustration.
Reference to classic and very recommended reading: The Complete Manual of Typography.
Additionally, here are links to free, open source and high quality fonts, usable in publications:
Gentium: http://scripts.sil.org/gentium
TeX Gyre: [url=http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/]http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/
Font previewer: http://www.nowacki.strefa.pl/wzornik/ - just replace "Napisz i zobacz" with any test text and select font from the list below.
Regards,
Ruemere

Ezekiel Shanoax, the Stormchild RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16 |

1. What are the ironborn?
All you ever wanted to know about ironborn can be learned in Ironborn of Questhaven, a great new PDF recently available from Rite Publishing.
2. Since I know not the ironborn race, is the supplement usable? I.e. are all the ironborns-specific abilities covered in this product?
All the rules information necessary to run the NPCs is contained within the stat blocks. There should be no unexplained abilities or rules-requiring concepts, and you'll be able to use him in a campaign no problem without additional purchase. The only exception to that is if you want to use Primus' "Craft Ironborn" feat to make a new ironborn - if you want to do that, you really should pick up the source book for ironborn. We couldn't reprint the entire Ironborn book within this product.
3. What is the CR adjustment for Clockwork Creature Template? What creatures can be the template applied to? Is there a simple version of the template included?
That is all included on page 7 of this PDF.
4. A final (and somewhat loaded) question (regarding editing)
All I can say is that 1) the editing "staff" for Faces of the Tarnished Souk is a little different than the staff for the other products you mentioned, 2) I think FACES is well-edited (full disclosure: I'm biased since I am one of the editors), and 3) nobody's perfect. I leave it to you to judge how good we are and how Faces compares to other stuff out there. All truthful reviews are welcome, so by all means please give us feedback on how we're doing, be it awesome or erroneous.

Rite Publishing |

@Ruemere
Are we talking about editing or are we talking about layout? Those are different stages of development and involved different people.
I am not a typographer, or a layout artist, I did the layout for Book of Monster Templates and Hans Cummings did the interior layout for Coliseum Morpheuon.
I have been learning more and more about layout as I go, but knowing I am not an expert, I don't do anything fancy, I tend to keep it simple and I spend my time focused on the design of BoMT. I have often left the design choices of Coliseum Morpheuon to Hans. My big mistake was not forcing tighter word count controls on additional design for BoMT because I can see where the layout suffered to keep within the strict format I used, especially when I was not the author.
Faces of the Tarnished Souk uses Georgia 9 and BlackChancery bold for title fonts, so its style is closer to BoMT, however what Matt does with great skill is write a single page of text so it makes layout much cleaner IMHO but again I am not a Typographer or a true layout artist.
We continue to grow, I continue to learn and one day I hope we can afford a staff layout artist who is a typographer.
Also anytime you feel the need to send me feedback to help me improve you can reach me via Steve (at) RitePublishing (dot) com
Thanks again

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I have to second some of Ruemere's comments, unfortunately, and I'll spoil mine as well as they're on the harsh side.
I'm reading on both a 17" laptop and a 24" desktop monitor, for what it's worth.

ruemere |
(warning: I'm out of time so please accept my apologies for errors)
First of all, apologies for not proofing properly my own message. Working reference links to free, open source and good-looking fonts:
Gentium: http://scripts.sil.org/gentium
TeX Gyre: http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/
Note that the latter link leads to Polish society of typographers and scientists. These fonts are likely to have most of science-related glyphs in addition to standard Latin and Polish fonts.
Additionally, the fonts are offered in TTF, OTF and LaTeX-compatible formats.
Secondly, to address specific comments:
Ezekiel Shanoax, the Stormchild:
"That is all included on page 7 of this PDF."
"3) nobody's perfect."
That's fine, I do not mind occasional problems. I've purchased the PDF and here are initial impressions:
- p.2 - credits - 7 different fonts, grey kill-your-printer background, every parapgraph uses different style - very bad
- p.3 - 1st page of content - three different fonts (headers, default and paragraph opening), double-indent for paragraphs, no register-true, no ligatures, strong ragged right... uhhh
- p.4 - 2nd page of content - statblock, Paizo format, readable, two fonts only, weird header positioning, no register-true - decent
I'll stop reviewing for now. It's better than both previously mentioned books, it still needs more work.
Will continue later.
Regards,
Ruemere

ruemere |
Initial impressions, continued:
Note: page numbers refer to actual positioning of pages in the file, i.e.
page 4 (reviewed below) bears number 2.
- p.4 (continued) - 2nd page of content - there is a picture of clockwork king here. It's a black-on-white sketch, the background of the picture was not removed, feathered or made semitransparent. It looks pretty ugly against grayish clouds of background - bad
- p.5 - see page 4 and 5 - the illustration here hasn't got white background so it looks fine - decent
- p.6 - see page 4 and 5 - another picture with white background - bad
- p.7 to p.9 - see above
Recommendations:
1. The reasonable limit is two fonts per page.
2. PDF should be more printer friendly. Possible options: two different versions, remove backgrounds and strips around pages or build layers into pdf and put decorative stuff on a layer separate from text.
3. Page 3 of PDF (1st of content) is laid out in a different way from the rest of the product (different paragraphs, use of different fonts, horrible grey box). Should be made simpler and made to fit the look of the rest of the book.
4. Headers are not positioned properly. Usually, the header is put between elements of layout so that distance from preceding element is twice as big as distance from element following the header:
I'm a paragraph.
<Empty>
<Empty>
I'M THE HEADER
<Empty>
I'm a paragraph.
5. As a general rule, text should be justified. And in this case the register-true for adjacent columns of text should be upheld. This is not iron-clade rule, but it really, really goes a long way toward creation of well-laid out magazines.
6. Pictures with white backgrounds should be corrected.
7. The lines of text should not end with "of", "and", "in" (adverbs, prepositions). Use of non-breaking spaces is heartily recommended.
I'm sure that a professional could have made more recommendations. For now, I'd suggest getting just a decent book on typography and read general do's and don'ts. There are quite a lot of great tutorials and blogs out there, too, if you don't mind googling.
Finally, an example goes a long way... within the industry, I have only but praise for the Sue Weinlein Cook - she dares to take risks, breaks rules and she still emerges victorious. Buy just about any book from Monte Cook Publishing to feast your eyes.
Necromancer Games products, White Wolf books - most of them are pretty well laid out, too.
Of Paizo guys, check Pathfinder modules (like Godsmouth Heresy) - these guys perfectly align stablocks and greyboxes with standard columns of text. If you'd like to appreciate their art, Godsmouth Heresy, 7th page of content gets right all the little bits mentioned here.
The reason for my review: I like the content of your books. I really do. That's probably the reason I spent so much time writing these posts. And since there are noticeable improvements over Coliseum, I just hope that you will continue the trend.
Still, I bought the Primus book, didn't I?
Regards,
Ruemere

Rite Publishing |

So it seems all of the issues are with Typography and layout, rather than with the writing, editing, or artwork.
@Kvantum I won't get rid of the grey runes border, we have had too many positive responses for that. I will however get rid of the gray on the page text.
1. The reasonable limit is two fonts per page.
And its a very reasonable request, I think the only place we use more than two different fonts is the credits page. But that can easily be corrected for the future.
2. PDF should be more printer friendly. Possible options: two different versions, remove backgrounds and strips around pages or build layers into pdf and put decorative stuff on a layer separate from text.
I used to do a printer friendly version of every product, but have stopped since we moved to a print partnership with Cubicle Seven, and in 7 months since doing so this is the first request I have had for one.
Layered pdfs cause all kinds of problems for Vendors unfortunately.
3. Page 3 of PDF (1st of content) is laid out in a different way from the rest of the product (different paragraphs, use of different fonts, horrible grey box). Should be made simpler and made to fit the rest of the book.
Yes it uses a different layout its a sidebar, that is not unusual.
It uses bullet points again its a sidebar.It DOES NOT use different fonts Georgia 9 for the body and BlackChancery Bolded for the Header.
Boxing text is the usual format for Sidebars.
If you have a suggestion I am sure to listen to it.
4. Headers a not positioned properly. Usually, the header is put between elements of layout so that distance from preceding element is twice as big as distance from element following the header:
5. As a general rule, text should be justified. And in this case the register-true for adjacent columns of text should be upheld. This is not iron-clade rule, but it really, really goes a long way toward creation of well-laid out magazines.
I will endeavor to follow these guideliens in the future.
6. Pictures with white backgrounds should be corrected.
Sorry there is no correction this is the limitation of not being a trained layout artist, and using stock art vs. commissioning an original PNG with a transparent background and paying a professional layout artist.
I can however start using a white background for the page.
7. The lines of text should not end with "of", "and", "in" (adverbs, prepositions). Use of non-breaking spaces is heartily recommended.
I will endeavor to follow this guideline in the future.
Thanks for the feedback
Steve.

Ezekiel Shanoax, the Stormchild RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16 |

REQUEST FOR REVIEWS / COMMENT
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Once you get a peek at his storyline and his stats, what do you think?
Thanks, Enjoy, and Game On!

Brekkil |

A suggestion on how to solve the "pictures with white background" problem.
Add a simple black border... but really, it's quite easy to remove the white background (should only be done with greyscale illustrations, in my oppinion)
Use the magic wand to mark all the white, then use the background eraser to make the white background transparent. Just make sure to save the image as a .png file, otherwise, the white background returns!
I learned this stuff the hard way... while working on Forgotten foes! :)
- Axel

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Nice review, D_M! You're a kind-hearted demon with this one, aren't you? ;)
I only gave it a half star higher review that you. Basically our views where pretty similar. I was more forgiving cause the main part of giving you a 3 tier NPC was accomplished fairly well.