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Thanks for the review, Aaron. I may be running both parts at an upcoming con and want to make sure the mods are "balanced" towards Cheliax...I MEAN, for PLAYER FUN. That's right.... ^_^
Joe, this one was fun. I had a great time GMing this at GenCon, Though I did have one TPK, it was mostly due to bad luck on the PC side, Though there is one section that can be bad if the GM rolls well.
This product is a pdf? I saw the printed version at Gencon with the nice maps for inn and ship. Where can I purchase that?
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This product is a pdf? I saw the printed version at Gencon with the nice maps for inn and ship. Where can I purchase that?
It is PDF only, If you saw the Adventure printed it was done by the GM, The maps though are a seperate product by Paizo that they make called Flip-Mats, They used 2 of them for this Scenerio.
The 2 used where
GameMastery Flip-Mat: Ship
GameMastery Flip-Mat: Waterfront Tavern
It is PDF only, If you saw the Adventure printed it was done by the GM, The maps though are a seperate product by Paizo that they make called Flip-Mats, They used 2 of them for this Scenerio.
Thank you for the information, Dragnmoon.
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It is PDF only, If you saw the Adventure printed it was done by the GM, The maps though are a seperate product by Paizo that they make called Flip-Mats, They used 2 of them for this Scenerio.Thank you for the information, Dragnmoon.
You know I've been playing these for a while, and I just figured out there was no print versions last week so don't feel bad. Of course I've only been buying pdfs for the last year and just started to buy print again... but still.
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Thanks for the review, Aaron. I may be running both parts at an upcoming con and want to make sure the mods are "balanced" towards Cheliax...I MEAN, for PLAYER FUN. That's right.... ^_^Joe, this one was fun. I had a great time GMing this at GenCon, Though I did have one TPK, it was mostly due to bad luck on the PC side, Though there is one section that can be bad if the GM rolls well.
Dragnmoon, ran it and liked it. Reminds me of chapters of a good fantasy novel. However, there's that one encounter CR 3(?) at the shipyard with a certain someone that had the PCs scrambling. I agree; it may be a bit too tough especially with the new class abilities. (I just heard from one gamer it resulted in TPK. Ugh.)
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I had a great time with this one as well. The storyline is simple, yet fun and it had plenty of opportunities to add role playing scenarios.
An adjacent table was playing Part I as well. Heard later that one PC had his stunningly beautiful half-orc sorceress(?) use seduction in Act II to snare two of the guards to split up, go on separate parts of the setting, jump up and down, strip, and close their eyes in...anticipation. What they didn't anticipate, though, was the gang up from the other PCs ^_^. (Coup de grace, that is!)
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I had a great time with this one as well. The storyline is simple, yet fun and it had plenty of opportunities to add role playing scenarios.An adjacent table was playing Part I as well. Heard later that one PC had his stunningly beautiful half-orc sorceress(?) use seduction in Act II to snare two of the guards to split up, go on separate parts of the setting, jump up and down, strip, and close their eyes in...anticipation. What they didn't anticipate, though, was the gang up from the other PCs ^_^. (Coup de grace, that is!)
That is brilliant! I love some of things clever players can come up with. Good stuff.
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That is brilliant! I love some of things clever players can come up with. Good stuff.I had a great time with this one as well. The storyline is simple, yet fun and it had plenty of opportunities to add role playing scenarios.An adjacent table was playing Part I as well. Heard later that one PC had his stunningly beautiful half-orc sorceress(?) use seduction in Act II to snare two of the guards to split up, go on separate parts of the setting, jump up and down, strip, and close their eyes in...anticipation. What they didn't anticipate, though, was the gang up from the other PCs ^_^. (Coup de grace, that is!)
Ditto. Killing stuff's easy, while using rping and clever ideas: priceless ^_^
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We have updated the PDF of Pathfinder Society Scenario #29: The Devil We Know—Part I: Shipyard Rats. We've corrected the stat block for the cleric in all Tiers of Act 3. Luscilia now has the correct DC for channel negative energy, and now possesses the correct feat to control her minion.
Those of you who have access to the PDF may download the updated version for free at http://paizo.com/paizo/account/assets. (If the file shows that it has already been personalized, you'll need to repersonalize it before you can download the new version.)
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I just played through this mod, and I had a lot of fun with it. The Cheliax missions I especially had a good time with. One of them had to be done secretly, and it was actually a bit of a challenge to achieve it. The combat was also challenging, at least on the low tier. We never had anyone in danger of dying, but that was largely due to Cause Fear and Hold Person, which were the MVP spells of the night.
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Remember to vote for Pathfinder Society Scenario #29: The Devil We Know, Part 1 - Shipyard Rats for Best Electronic Book!
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I was reviewing this module for an upcoming session, when I realized
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We have updated the PDF of Pathfinder Society Scenario #29: The Devil We Know—Part I: Shipyard Rats. We've corrected the stat block for the cleric in all Tiers of Act 3. Luscilia now has the correct DC for channel negative energy, and now possesses the correct feat to control her minion.
Those of you who have access to the PDF may download the updated version for free at http://paizo.com/paizo/account/assets. (If the file shows that it has already been personalized, you'll need to repersonalize it before you can download the new version.)
I know we've moved on in seasons, but I've just gotten to take a look at running this series of scenarios, and I've noticed a few problems that require some creativity on the part of the GM and should be addressed in case of another revision:
Kafar is said to require a "remove poison" spell to recover, even though that spell does not exist. The equivalent would be Neutralize Poison but it is a level 4 spell that no in-tier character would have. Normally not a problem, but Cheliax needs to secure Kafar's safe release - my solution: require the 10hp of healing for all tiers, but either allow a Heal Check to replace the spell or require a Delay Poison spell as it is a level 2 spell accessible to characters 3-7
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Saturday Morning a friend and I went and played a Season 1 game called "Scenario #29: The Devil We Know—Part I: Shipyard Rats" run by a trooper of a GM named Steve who was going on 4 hrs sleep.
The first two encounters do a great job lulling you into a false sense of security and the second encounter was a bit tougher but nothing the team couldn't handle.
However the last encounter was DEADLY, if we had not had an extremely generous GM and huge amount of luck (in killing a powerful NPC in the second encounter), it would have been a TPK if we had not ran for the hills, kited the slower opponent and had a huge amount of luck with people being equipped just right.
I am not sure what the writer was thinking as most players at the 1-2 tier level are new or not powerful enough to handle this kind of monster or even to know to run.
Everyone survived thanks to some creative healing by myself and selfless sacrifices by several of my fellow players willing to go down for a bit so the monster could be kited by the cleric and defeated by the heavies. Although running was an option we had several players down and since pathfinders are supposed to be good ... no one would leave a man behind in good conscience specially since we are supposed to be there for another pathfinder.
I give the game a 3.5 out of 5 it was well written and interesting but a bit too deadly for the tier 1-2.
The first two encounters do a great job lulling you into a false sense of security and the second encounter was a bit tougher but nothing the team couldn't handle.
However the last encounter was DEADLY, if we had not had an extremely generous GM and huge amount of luck (in killing a powerful NPC in the second encounter), it would have been a TPK if we had not ran for the hills, kited the slower opponent and had a huge amount of luck with people being equipped just right.
I am not sure what the writer was thinking as most players at the 1-2 tier level are new or not powerful enough to handle this kind of monster or even to know to run.
Interesting...our level 1 party got massacred by
but didn't have any problem with the last encounter. I admit that
can result in very swingy encounters, depending on how lucky you are with saves.
So I started building the encounters for Tier1-2 in Hero Lab and I'm finding problems with missing skill points for human NPCs, the Nature's Cataclysm Fighters have a feat (Combat Expertise) they do not qualify for (Int is less than 13), HP of all enemies with PC classes look to be low (guessing they're not getting full HP on 1st Level), and that's just looking at the first half of the scenario. While none of these issues unbalances or breaks the encounters I'm trying to understand where these errors are coming from and if they are in fact errors or if I'm missing something. Anyone else discovered or addressed this?
The scenario came out at the very beginning of the PFRPG, and there are a number of bugs in it (like clerics wearing heavy armor without proficiency, e.g.). I think there's a thread in the Pathfinder Society GM section discussing it.
EDIT: Try here -- Feedback for #29 Shipyard Rats
The scenario came out at the very beginning of the PFRPG, and there are a number of bugs in it (like clerics wearing heavy armor without proficiency, e.g.). I think there's a thread in the Pathfinder Society GM section discussing it.
EDIT: Try here -- Feedback for #29 Shipyard Rats
THANKS for pointing me in the right direction. I did a search earlier for the Scenario, but didn't get that link. It's much appreciated. Sounds like I'll have to edit it as I deem appropriate as Paizo is not likely to have the time to edit a Season 1 Scenario. I wonder if they've ever considered reaching out to the community to revise old material with errors.
I wonder if they've ever considered reaching out to the community to revise old material with errors.
This has been discussed in various threads, too. (Maybe it's worth putting in the FAQ.) The official response is that community help wouldn't save nearly as much effort as you might think, so they might as well focus on making new scenarios instead.