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I mean, considering every petitioner ever we have met in every pathfinder adventure, that isn't completely true.

PCs and adventure opponents are highly unusual, and not representative of the population.

I suspect they are correcting for a mistake in the bulk limits, and it's not really power creep beyond the system's design parameters.

When non-sturdy shields beyond level 10 or so are adjusted, that won't be power creep either.

It's a strange mix of nominative determinism.

Fighters fight.

Summoners summon (unlike the eidolon, the spell is unarguable).

Rangers range.

Magic Users. Use magic, but got changed to wizards because "reasons".

Thieves. Why are they called rogues again? Should we rename them to stealers? Rogue is a bad word, too. In all seriousness I would rename them "specialists".

Clerics should have been called prayers.

Mentalists are mental?

I maintain that the syth summoner with a dragon eidolon should be called a cosplayer.

I think it was Erfworld that called everything a -mancer? Fire wizards were pyromancers and archers were arrowmancers?

Humans, and maybe dogs and wolfs, like to imagine or declare dogs and wolves are different but nature can't be fooled - they can interbreed.

If you read the wikipedia article on dromeosaurs and its links (I just did to write this and it was unpleasant trying to type the link codes on a tablet) there is a section on feathers and debate about whether they are birds. (Its the entire classification secrion, and don't just cherrypick the subheading that says relation to birds), Some claim they are related, and some claim they are. In any case, birds are surely dinosaurs.

It's not the dice roll being bypassed that concerns me. It's the creation of a themepark by a feat. I am OK with it if the players are, but a lot of them aren't.

Excessive dice rolling is always a problem, whether t's the GM making people roll for everything, or the players that make perception checks every minute.

This shows the importance of names, just like in fantasy.

Eidiolon has wings at level 1 but can't fly. I am uspet.

Rename the Summoner as the Cosplayer, and problem is solved.

Too late to edit, but just to be clear, that last comment was basically about capitalism not alignment as such. I meant to write 'capitalism alignment' and missed the word.

It's probably a good idea to remove both posts.

Started reading this to run it. Surely written by an American. Villain has sabotaged the safety nets. Obviously the correct thing to do is to postpone the act until the equipment can be repaired, or improvise some solution to find new nets, but the XP reward is for continuing the act and convincing the performer to go on regardless. It's like the Jaws movie when the shark attacks and they don't close the beach. I will do it differently and award points for any solution in line with the players alignment.

Beyond a certain age 1E dragons were sorcerers.

The reasons likely involve a mix of Japanese legends and PF1.

OG Tengu (the ones from Japanese legends) are nature spirits and certainly not "bird people". Being able to turn into a bird was one of their spirit abilities.

What is the spell casting equivalent of striking and potency runes?

Another show, the same act again. Usually the audience expects the same act for a season (perhaps an AP). You can change which performers are on, but when you're on, do you want to roleplay your trick the same once each week? Doesn't it get repetitive?

Cast a disable. The magus boss will lose 1 action and then be unable to operate.

Hmm, animated heavy crossbow, you command it to load (1 action) and it does (2 minion actions). So we just need a crossbow familiar option.

I think you won the thread.

ancestry background class dragon

Everyone brings a dragon, right?

I once thought, "why doesn't Paizo emphasise the keywords"?

Then I wrote some homebrew rules and emphasised the keywords, and every other word was highlighted, and it looked like it had been written by a crazy person.

If they renamed this class, almost all of the problems would vanish.

Underwater Octopus empire when?

A Balanced boring game is a game that is just not played. It has to inspire and excite us first.

I don't agree with this, and I've seen many games where they've managed to maintain a fun game despite near equal win rates in competition.

However, it is true that the easy path to achieving balance is by making everything too similar, and that does lead to a dull game.

An example of this, say 1 character has a gun and the other has a knife, and you want to balance it.

* The easy way to balance knife vs gun is to make everyone have a knife, or a gun, and now everything's the same. BORING!!!

* The interesting way to balance knife vs gun is to give the knife-wielder invisibility and then adjust the duration of the invisiblity until you get the 50% win rate. This gives you a game of player skill (how well do they know the map? How well can they predict their opponent?) with dissimilar, not boring, combatants.

Moppy wrote:

I don't understand the logic here. A hurricane affects things. Is it meaningful to say it has a target?

This aside, within the framework of the rules, there is no requirement for certain spells to have targets, and you don't need to invent one. Why would you do that? Why do you feel it's unclear?

A hurricane - described as a spell - targets an area.

The reason it is important is because the core Magus ability allows or disallows spells to be used with it based on the targeting rules of the spell.

This is wrong for 2 reasons:

1) They aren't the same thing.

2) Area spells don't require a target as defined in the rules. They are separate things. "Spells that affect multiple creatures in an area can have both an Area entry and a Targets entry. A spell that has an area but no targets listed usually affects all creatures in the area indiscriminately." - CRB 304.

What you are not doing is differentiating between "target" in regular english, and "target" as defined in PF2 rules. They are not the same thing.

In regular english, an effect may or may not have a target depending on your point of view. In the game rules, it is actually well defined that (some effects) do not have a target.

Moppy wrote:

This is often difficult in a paizo AP. Their combat maps are really small. I'd pay a lot for AOO on an Eidolon.

Not my experience with them. Theyre often claustrophobic and close packed, with lots of corners, doorways and chokepoints.

Being a single room behind the rest of the party (or the next corner back), just to the side of an entrance or doorway would be a consistent way to remain out of line of sight and completely safe and unnoticed.

Which is discounting entirely that the number of encounters with foes where they'd have some inclination that focusing on the summoner would be a good idea are in the minority to begin with. Its mostly beasts, monsters, cultist minions, mindless undead, golems, etc. Strategic humanoids and educated foes tend to be minibusses or bosses with limited minion support in encounter.

How was this encounter started? If you are in the next room down, how are you talking to the rest of the party?

I'd agree with some of those foes being tactically naive.

Cultists however can be just as smart as any other humanoid and there's that glowing sigil connected to eidolon rule.

I'd not be sure on magical beasts - it would depend on their exposure to humanoids. The smarter ones have the intelligence to figure out how to use machines, or to direct captive humanoids to do so, and I'm sure they'd ask them how human militaries operated.

There's also the fact that character classes are a thing, and many folk would have a basic idea what they do. They might not be able to tell a wizard from a sorceror, but they'd figure out the summoner-eidolon link for sure.

Everyone acts like Summoners will be standing in the open waiting to die.

How about standing 80 feet back, 3 move actions away from the enemy? Around a corner, outside of line of site? Maybe dont stand side by side when opening doors on the other side of which monsters may dwell?

If you're making it easy for a foe to get to your Summoner, that's on you. Summoners have several ways to contribute from safety as it stands.

This is often difficult in a paizo AP. Their combat maps are really small. I'd pay a lot for AOO on an Eidolon.

Bulmahn when GMing ran it as having splash and I remember the players asking about it as they remembered there was something weird about it. I think it was Band of Bravos.

I'mn resaonably sure they intend it to have splash but for some reason they're very slow with errata. I can understand delay caused by typesetting, but it doesn't need that to just post the changes on a specially designate forum thread.

Watch as the DM decides your eidolon begins to hate and resent you for being so cruel to it. And if you think that's unfair, you just want you cake and eat it too.

I think this is a player consent issue - the eidolon is a part of the PC in the way that an animal companion isn't, and what you suggest would be similar to a GM imposing some kind of long term madness on a PC. Not impossible, but something that should be discussed with the player beforehand.

Within the rules and the lore, it's hard to see a way in which the eidolon would refuse any command unless the PC underwent a massive event like an alignment change. I can't remember any rules for mistreating eidolons, in a way that animal companions have rules for that.

Moppy wrote:

Why does the magus make 2 hit rolls. For the weapon, and the spell on the weapon?

Yes. The spell needs its own attack or save. This is probably to prevent the swinginess of a single critical hit roll doubling the effect of the weapon and spell. Or a weak AC but strong save creature being affected overly by a punishing spell effect.

Why does the Eldritch Archer make only 1 roll?

https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=59

Activate Three Actions Eldritch Shot; Requirements You are wielding a bow; Effect You Cast a Spell that takes 1 or 2 actions to cast and requires a spell attack roll. The effects of the spell do not occur immediately but are imbued into the bow you're wielding. Make a Strike with that bow. Your spell flies with the ammunition, using your attack roll result to determine the effects of both the Strike and the spell. This counts as two attacks for your multiple attack penalty, but you don't apply the penalty until after you've completed both attacks.

That's very ableist. They're still dragons if they suffer a wing accident ;-)

Our view on official rules is that if it isn't in a rulebook or the errata/FAQ, it doesn't exist. There's no way we're going to check read reddit and twitter for rules.

The big one for us was natural 20s on attack rolls not being auto-crits. It says they are auto-crit in the attack rules, but Mr Logan Bonner says it isn't on his twitter, and it should work like every other check, being +1 success level. So I assume he's right, but it's ridiculous to have to look there.

Why does the magus make 2 hit rolls. For the weapon, and the spell on the weapon?

I honestly don't understand why you guys are not listening or reading what I am actually saying. I am absolutely baffled by it.

Sometimes people want a toy car, not a lego set. Certainly you can build the car from the legos but not everyone wants to.

Personally, I prefer Lego.

Compared to 1e, the 2e eidolon has very little flavor - the creature itself is dull, and shouldn't be as it's a fundamental part of the PC.

Affect :-)

Affect is the verb, i.e. "i affect an effect".

I will shut up now.

mage armor doesn't have a target. it doesn't say target. there is no requirement in the rules for a spell to have a target. if you can randomly and arbitrarily add the word target to it, why can't i add a minus sign to the armor bonus?.

A construct phantom? That doesn't even make sense.

red dwarf - rimmer

star trek voyager - emergency medical hologram

they arent exact parallels but if you think about it, its a device that manifests the phantom.

The summoner iconic eidolon looks very similar to a toy I have seen sold in several European countries. Then again all dragons look the same (in a non-racist manner).

https://i.imgur.com/5MrMbhi.jpg

edit: The brand is "Plastoy".

I really want a PF2 game about being Con Artists. Ala Lies of Locke Lamora.

I'd like to see a Razmir AP, and I think these 2 would work together.

Alright, so you're all animal companions of Rollo the Beastmaster ...

edit: With summnoners coming, I can see eidolons being playable.

If in the case of a barrier vs an aoe, and you don't have excess damage blow through the barrier, then a bit of cardboard will protect you from a nuke.

[How special can PCs be? You kill one and another one of equal level shows up to take their place. There is literally an infinite number of them.

No, PCs aren't special. Anyone can be a PC.

The assumption in the standard game is that PC are exceptional people who are able to reach high level. A regular soldier can have a lifetime career in the army and never go beyond the first few levels. Otherwise 4 random farmers would pick up their pitchforks and deal with that lich themselves.

Well I assume its english pronunciation that gets "Searing Ray" out of Sarenrae? I'm still not sure how english pronunciation works(I pronounce it like Saren from Mass Effect plus rae which I don't pronounce like ray)

British English has "ae" in everyday use (encyclopaedia, paedatrician etc) where it's said like "ee" unless it's the start of a word (like "aeroplane" their spelling of airplane), where it's like American "air-oh-plane".

If they (British) weren't Pathfinder players and you showed them "Sarenrae" they would probably say "sa-REN-ree" with the stress on the middle syllable. We could gamble on where British would put the stress, but the 'ae' is almost guaranteed to come out 'ee'.

Kaiju beeg, Treerazer smol.

Treerazer is like an IQ test. It follows you around invisibly or shaped shifted while its AOE gradually turns you into a plant. DOTA players will get it. "My hit points?! Why am I dying? Is this game bugged?"

Eldritch Shot.

Why do I have visions of gentlemen professors balancing squids on their faces, and the first one whos squid falls off has to drink a Fhtagn?

Most players wouldn't even try to wear 10 cloaks.

Necklaces on the other hand, rappers have demonstrated that 15 is the lower bound, it being a gross violation of social protocols to attempt to wear fewer.

It's still also regular staff, right?

In Star Trek, the Federation should ask Mr Data how to say it, it being a given name, and the Federation in the TNG time period having a culture of respect for individuals.

I actually don't understand why it really matters in Golarion, and I've heard Paizo staffers use different pronunications of things, so I'm not sure they care either (so long as the meaning is not ambiguous).

You can always guarantee a reaction at an RPG con by uncommon pronuncation, my favourite is 'droe' for drow. You can blame DOTA (a video game) for teaching me that one. They have drow and most didn't play D&D, so many of the players & casters don't know how to say it.

Azlanti is said like the rear end of a donkey, now that Aroden isn't around to do anything about it.

Couldn't the subject just decline to state the sky is purple regardless of whether they're under the effect?

That one might fail hilariously in a cosmopolitan fantasy city.

Example from wikipedia The ancient Greeks classified colours by whether they were light or dark, rather than by their hue. The Greek word for dark blue, kyaneos, could also mean dark green, violet, black or brown.

Add in some real fantasy elf-eyes, and it'll only get worse.

I saw somwthing about that in the settings books. There's 2 deity ones - lost omens gods & magic, and the older 1st edition version of it, and one or both of those has sayings for the main 20 deities cults.