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I called and asked him today and he apologized for making it look like he didn't want to play. He basically just did it because he wanted to see how/if he could make it work and made it clear he will stay with the group even if he has to come up with more excuses for it.
So he basically just wanted to try something unusual (playing a mostly average-joe, not particularly good or evil, who just happens to fall or gets shanghaid into the adventuring life) and seeing how far he can run with it. I won't lie, it has kind of annoyed me so far, but I'm hopeful it will lead to some interesting roleplay between him and my Gorumite cleric who sees the potential of a great warrior in this simple musician, so we'll see where that takes us. Thanks for the answers.

The following is a story of a player who genuinely confused me.

I started in a campaign earlier this month with my DM friend and 3 new players. Our first adventure hook was that we saw a thief from a local apocalypse cult stealing a sacred book from a temple to Nethys, a priest-librarian running out and pleading for us to stop him because the book contains a secret that could "open the gates of the Abyss in this very city." Not liking the sound of that, we all decided to chase the thief... except for our bard.

I was a chaotic-good cleric of Gorum, he rolled a true-neutral bard who had a simple background and was a simple guy who played in taverns to make his money. Our characters were acquaintances and when it appeared he wasn't coming I asked "Aren't you coming to join us in glorious battle?" to which he responded "Why should I?" Odd, but I figured he just needed a nudge. "The city might be in serious danger!" "How is that my problem? I can just leave." Getting a bit frustrated and wanting to get the action started: "There could be a big reward in it for you!" "I make enough at the tavern I play." At this point the DM looked as confused as I was, so my character grabbed him by his collar, hoisted him up on my horse and started riding the direction the thief went. From there, he begrudgingly aided in stopping the initial cultists and afterward our characters sat down and had a serious chat about whether he wanted to keep fighting the good fight against the bad guys. He took an rl 5 minute break to come up with a reason, eventually coming to the conclusion that my character owed his for his services and that he would travel with us until he found a way to make me pay for shanghai-ing him the first time.

My question is: Do you have experience with characters who (quite literally) needed to be dragged into adventuring? I'm not mad or anything like that, I'm just confused and I don't want more occasions where my character has to crowbar his into participating.

anyone want to link to that thread about if a paladin can follow an evil deity? :P

Bring peace, love and order in the name of Lamashtu! :D

Abadar (LN), Erastil, Torag, Iomedae (LG), Shelyn and Serenrae (NG) all have paladins.

There gunslingers deeds, monk fighting styles, cleric subdomains and oracle mysteries too.

Gods are interesting tools for roleplaying that many just see as a mechanic for clerics, pallys and such use to get their powers. What im curious about is how one would roleplay characters of a non-divine class atypical to a certain god. Not everyone who worships a certain god gets superpowers after all.

For instance: Gorum loves to fight and bash skulls as much as any god of war, but he knows the importance tactics. Theres no glory to be had in making a suicidal charge against an army you have no chance against, at least in his eyes. So Garona the Rogue sneaks around the enemy camp, finds valuable intelligence and reports back to her army's commander. The next day, battle is joined and Garona's army has the upper hand because of said intelligence. But despite her being a rogue, when it comes to fighting on the front line, shes there right alongside her barbarian and fighter companions hacking and slashing through the enemies while shouting Gorum's praise at the top of her lungs.

I want to hear more unusual god/class combos. Characters that stay within the god's approval rating to grant the occasional subtle boon (a stronger attack, better traveling weather, a burst of inspiration, etc), but are obviously not clerics or the like. An insane bard who inspires courage by singing of the disturbing exploits of Lamashtu? A Lawful Good alchemist who acts as a doctor/bombs demons in the name of Iomedae? Let me hear your thoughts.

First off, don't think you have to be a skinny swamp-loving tree frog. You could be a hulking bullfrog or gruff desert toad, providing different flavor.
One concept I have is a grippli who grew up in a swamp near a major city. The cities inhabitants had no love for the little tribe and used the swamp as a garbage/waste dump, but the grippli had nowhere else to go. So an adventurer of this tribe might be more selfish, prefer the more filthy or seedy parts of a town, or use his tounge in creative ways to get food/use Sleight of hand. For added fun, make the city Chelliax, so the waste the grippli grew up around may have been tainted by devil magic, which you could roleplay any number of ways, from the origin of a grippli sorcerer's bloodline or just an evil habit or 2.

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Just curious, is there a way to lock your own thread?

I'm a big fan of most Pathfinder gods and Zon-Kuthon is no exception. His backstory, design and practices are all delightfully creepy and flavorful. What confuses me is why he is considered Lawful Evil. Reading through Inner Sea Gods, the only time he shows any kind of restraint is when dealing with Shelyn, and even then that protection does not extend to her clergy. This is not helped by how Kuthonites are usually described as insane and torturous psychopaths, looking more like worshippers of Rovagug with a BDSM streak. But this is not about PCs or NPCs, this is about the god himself being a kill-crazy psycho and being considered lawful.

Contrast with Asmodeus, who is of course lawful because he sticks to his word, his contracts are utterly binding, and he despises anything unpredictable or not willing to fall in line. Zon is so depraved he promotes placing moth larva in the eye sockets of Desnans and even ripped apart his own dad. Where is the restraint, the morals, the code, anything that resembles "law"?

You mean class/race diversity? Just have everyone role their characters together and if people want the same general character concepts, agree/compromise on who is going to be what. Look up archetypes and the uncommon races like grippli or hobgoblins to make more diverse/unique characters.

I think the flail was more for show, he seemed much more inclined to deep-fry his enemies with magic.
Id say straight blasting wizard, with a charm spell or 2 memorized to play up his manipulator aspect.
Maybe consider the fey or maestro bloodlines if a sorcerer. A soundstriker bard is also an option, using his maniacle laugh to kill enemies seems like a lot of fun.