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When can I preorder this?

PDFs can't be preordered, and this is a PDF only product, sadly.

Silly question, but are there any cards that conflict with the Remaster rules? If so, what would the change be?

Not silly, very good question. I'm looking through my own deck right now!

Those I found that might need more deliberations:
Rage and Fury: A rage focused card that give you a one turn rage, with the bonus and penalties spelled out. It had the old -1 AC penalty, but specify that if you already have the Rage class feature, use these stats instead... So there's 0 problem if used by a barbarian, and the extra penalty could actually make sense in a way, for a non barbarian. xD But that's a ruling that need to be done by the GM.

... And that's it. xD
So yeah, I'd say it's pretty compatible.

Mine arrived today, and my knee jerk reaction is that I’m fairly disappointed in this boxed set.

I can’t speak to the quality of the adventure itself, as I have yet to read through it, but the physical components are a major let down.

First, why is this box anywhere even remotely as thick as it is? The game components take up less than 1/4 the thickness of the box. The rest of the space in the box is just a cardboard filler whose sole purpose is to take up space in the box. As someone with dwindling shelf space, I really have to wonder why it was felt necessary to use such a large box.

Second, instead of the usual (great) standee “Pawns” that Paizo often uses, the characters and creatures in this set are instead represented by small, 3/4” cardboard tokens, the text on which is somewhat difficult to read.

Also, the player handouts are printed on ridiculously thin, cheap feeling pieces of paper that don’t feel like they’ll hold up if this adventure is run multiple times.

Like I said, I can’t speak to the quality of the actual adventure, but I really feel that the quality of the components is an extreme disappointment, and doesn’t match up with what I usually see from Paizo.

The box size was talked about in an interview, and it's basically about store shelf presentation, if it's too small, many store won't even want to stock it cause people will miss it. They were saying that even AP books are sometimes ignored by certain stores. So they came up with that boxed set to try and see if it will work better.

Is it possible to somehow get the VTT code for this bundle if I already have all 3 previous versions of this adventure purchased. I really would like to have it all under one module rather than three separate

The code only version is only linked with the PDF of the compiled book release. If I remember correctly, they can't link it to ownership of the 3 original AP releases in the site's backend, and they consider them different products.

When is the PDF supposed to be released to those who preordered, but aren't subscribers?

Physical preorders don't get a PDF, that's a subscriber benefit.

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

Kelseus wrote:

The first post literally says "end shipping estimate." Show me where it says they guarantee you will get your books early. Oh no, you have to wait a day or two more what ever are you going to do.

Are you a subscriber?

Yes. I have been a subscriber to at least 1 line for 10+ years. As I mentioned in a higher post on this thread, sometimes I get mine super early, other times a week or so in, and sometimes like this one I am at the tail end.

Remember this is not a warehouse like Amazon or some major distributor. Paizo is a small company and are pulling and packing the boxes by hand.

(To add to this, looking at the company credits at the end of any book, we can see they have about ~6 people working on doing all that.)

Elfteiroh wrote:

thefreakachu wrote:

"Zon-Shelyn, the god of therapeutic art and self-expression"?!?!?

Finally the divine siblings are back together??

Yep, it happened "on screen" during a playtest adventure!

I think it was a Season 7 SF1 adventure where it was on screen.

Oh, I didn't know it was also in a society adventure! There was a couple adventures happening at the same time then!

HUZZAH! All awesome people! Yes! Even you Andrew White That-Missed-The-Deadline! :3

"Zon-Shelyn, the god of therapeutic art and self-expression"?!?!?

Finally the divine siblings are back together??

Yep, it happened "on screen" during a playtest adventure!

When will the Book be available to buy again?

I have no recollection of AP books ever getting a reprint, so probably never, unless you count the second hand market. Sorry!

(Also, for space reason, they can't always specifically write down "this point is perfect for some downtime", so it can be on the GM to think about where to put them, based on the players' need and the feel and flow of the story in play. But they do sometimes write it down, but it's rare. Just don't take its omission as indicative of intent.)

HUZZAH!

Official announcement on MyMiniFactory

Looks like we're getting the Player Core iconics from PF, the Murder in Metal City pregens from SF (same as the SF player core iconics?), akashic dragon, and a selection of troops for Battlecry to start with.

If the supply of files keeps up, I'm going to have one busy printer.

The exact text from that link:

As a launch point for the partnership, the first miniatures available will be the six Starfinder Second Edition iconic characters, the six pre-generated characters from Starfinder Murder in Metal City, the akashic dragon from the cover of Starfinder Player Core, two bonus Starfinder miniatures, and a variety of Andoran and Chelaxian troops to support Pathfinder Battlecry! In addition to being available digitally, these miniatures will also be available as print-on-demand figures via Titan Forge.

The the Pathfinder iconics won'T be there from the start, but the Starfinder ones, the pregens from the Murder in Metal City (which are different characters from the iconics), the awesome akashic dragon from Starfinder, and some chelaxian and andoran troops.

Unless there's another announcement that talk about the Pathfinder iconics, that I have missed?

(But thanks for sharing, I would have completely missed this otherwise! I don't have usse for them, but a friend do have a printer and might be interested.)

Does this come with PDF too?

The only way to get a PDF with a purchase is through the subscriptions. So no.

Mika Hawkins wrote:

Announced for August! Product images and descriptions are not final and are subject to change. :)

What level should the PCs finish this adventure at?

The whole adventure is played at 1st level. It has about the same amount of content as a 3 level adventure, but all in level 1. I guess the PCs would probably be ready to level up to lvl 2 at the end of it all. xD

It was released in June, 4th of June 2025 to be precise.
Sounds like it sold out since then.

Jim Butler wrote:

(Elfteiroh: SNIP to limit tunneling)

What do other sites do? Because this is one of the first places I have heard saying you can't leave a review unless you are verified purchased.

Please do not tie it to tiers. Players should be able...

Usually, other sites that DO something about it just remove reviews entirely. There's also a lot of sites that are starting to remove comments entirely for similar problems and raising demands on moderation.

How do we get the points for following on social? I rarely use my real name places if I can help it (looking at you Facebook 2004) and my user name here is not the same as elsewhere.

On other places I've seen have things like that, I have seen two ways. A "link account" setting, that ask permissions, and long-term link the two accounts. This is overkill, and is usually used for interactions that are WAY more "in-depth".

Huh, did they change the possible starting levels? I thought previously we could start at higher levels. That's a bit of a shame. But love everything else!

Can't start at higher levels cause there won't be higher level scenarios this year. That we already knew.

The problem is I never know where to find AP hub pages, because when you search, say, GateWalkers on Paizo, the hub page does not come up, or if it is there, it certainly is so low down the list I won't know where to find it.

In the site's top menu, Pathfinder -> Adventure -> Adventure Path.

Additionally, at the top of all AP books (including this very page here), there should be a "path" that looks like this:

Pathfinder / Adventures / Adventure Path / Gatewalkers (#187-189)

If you click on "Gatewalkers (#187-189)", this will also bring you to the AP's hub.

Was this module ever updated to PF1e rules?

It was written using the PF1 rules, so I'm confused. xD If you meant PF2, then not officially no. I can fin a reddit thread of someone that did do a bit of a fan conversion, but only up to level 5.

Ok, I went back and made full calculations based on my own last 12 month.
For the full 12 months (from this June back to last July), I spent ~1025.19$. I made a mistake before, I have 5 subs. Oops. (I didn't count a couple of digital fictions I would have bought with my extra gold, if it was available.)
27% was from accessories,
25% was from AP,
18% was from Lost Omen,
11% was from rulebook,
9% was from Adventures, and
9% was from non-sub purchases.

That would be 1537.78 gold (assuming they count decimals...) +25 birthday bonus. More than enough for all society scenarios, and between 30$ and 35$ off of other purchases (or 10% off of a very big purchase, which has the potential to be more), OR 100$ off total from anything, or 3x 10% off, if you don't want the society scenarios.

Also to note, my AP purchases have been made under the legacy 30% off, it would be ~50$ higher if it was just the 15% from Legendary, and thus a bit more gold. xD We don't know what will happen to the old legacy advantage, but looking at the numbers, the impact is lower than I expected if lost. The rest of my purchases are all made under the base 15% discount I have.

There's also the caveat that we have seen the remaster of the spell cards in the last 12 month, that HAVE inflated the Accessory line a bit. The next 12 months will probably be more representative. (And I'll probably start buying Starfinder books too because of the inter compatibility, so... yeah... xD )

TheTownsend wrote:

They HAVE a Bluesky account, I'm not sure why it's not listed as an option.

I've added Bluesky to the list of available rewards. You should see the graphic and text changes reflected in the blog shortly.

-Jim

This is an incredible turnaround speed! :O

AidAnotherBattleHerald wrote:

NightTrace wrote:

However, Advantage is going away entirely? So I will need to earn 500 gold/spend $500.00 to get a 10% discount on a single purchase when I currently have a Global 15% discount which itself applies to my subscriptions?

Ow.

We will probably be legendary tier if we currently qualify for paizo advantage. Which will mean we keep our 15% discount. But it's tied to that $750/year threshold now instead of having 4 subs.

That's fair. I'm at six subs and I strongly suspect that Paizo gets $750 annual from me already and I'm fine with that to be clear lol.

I'll need more information (which will be coming in the near future it sounds like) but I'm probably a niche/smaller population all things considered. I do believe this will probably continue to be a net positive for most Gamers :D

I'm at 4 subs: PF Rules, PF Adventure, PF Accessories, and PF AP and it would only take me 9 month to hit the 750$, so yeah, if you have 6, your guaranteed... and that's 1150+ gold to spend however you want (I counted the birthday bonus). 20 society scenario is 1000 gold... but like I said, for me that only take about 9 month to hit, so I have 3 more months of gold that are fully "extra".

I counted, and I would only be needing my last 9 months to be legendary if it started today. Looking at the numbers, I could drop the AP sub (for me it was 30% off because of Legacy advantage, so that would be ~250$ less per years) and still manage to keep the 15% off that I had with 4 subs. (I won't drop it, cause I really like my full PF2 AP collection). The only thing I "lose" is the Society scenario, but the gold I gain just in these 9 months is probably enough to get them for free anyway. And I have leftover gold.

So yeah. My quick napkin math do seem to show it being a bit better, even if I will need to do some more manual transactions, as I'll have to redeem that gold to "buy" the society scenarios manually, but eh, I'll also get to use these rewards a bit more flexibly, like the remaining gold will probably be enough to buy a couple lower cost things, like the physical free RPG Day adventure I missed.

And if I didn't want the scenarios (which I do, but I'm talking hypotheticals here), that would be a lot of gold to get discounts on mor products instead of getting scenarios I wouldn't have wanted (hypothetically, of course).

Oh, and that wasn't even counting the birthday gold and the potential review gold!

I bought the module straight from the Foundry Marketplace, do I assume correctly that I do not get the because of that?

Yeah, it is cheaper because of that. (Assuming the missing word in your post is "PDF".)

Mika Hawkins wrote:

Announced for November! Product images and descriptions are not final and are subject to change. :)

Very excited for this! Especially when it comes out as the pocket edition (hopefully?)!!!

I had a general question, about purchasing products, which will ultimately apply to this when it comes out.

Options for purchasing are to order it directly through Paizo, that mega huge website that we all know about, or getting it through a local game store. Generally, will the price directly from Paizo be about the same as through a local game store?

I know that, generally, the rule books are cheaper from that huge mega website, but I would rather not support them, if possible.

Purchases here is directly through Paizo, yes. They sell the books at the "manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP)" they give to retailers. These retailers can then sell it at the price they want, but Paizo follow it to be "fair" to the stores.

Two things aren't clear to me from the text:

1. Is this a level 1 to 20 adventure? Meaning that we'd start with L1 PCs and the 3 interconnected adventures will level us up to L20.

2. Is the text correct that the first part you're working against Seldeg, but the second part you're working for them!?

This is an anthology of 3 story-related adventures, where you will be playing 3 different party of characters, one of them is evil.

The first adventure start at lvl 1, playing low level survivors in the gravelands, trying to not die. The characters should reach lvl 3 by the end of that part.

The second adventure, the players switch to playing the villain's side. They are level 7, and would reach 8th level by the end of that part.

The third one, the players go back to playing a group of heroes, starting at lvl 18 this time. The last chapter of that part is played at lvl 20.

Maya Coleman wrote:

Elfteiroh wrote:

If we were to get a movie around their shenanigans, I wouldn't complain one bit, if you catch my drift. :P

As a fan of them myself, I second this!

I was going to ask for fiction, but a movie works!

Movies often get novelized. :P

If we were to get a movie around their shenanigans, I wouldn't complain one bit, if you catch my drift. :P

First off, glad to see this is getting a Foundry module:

https://foundryvtt.com/packages/sf2e-murder-in-metal-city

That said, I'd really like Paizo to estimate how many session this is supposed to fill (or how many levels of play it covers). It's hard to rope in GMs or players if no one knows if it'll run 2 or 12 sessions....

From what I heard on this stream, Roadmap To The Stars, after the 24 minutes mark (link time-stamped), it's a 60 pages adventure all happening at level 1, so no level up, despite it having as much content as other adventure books (like Plaguestone for PF2 gets to level up twice in the same amount of pages), but here they are trying something new.

... That looks like such a GREAT PLACE!!!

Huzzah! All great people!

Q_Q So good!

Out of curiosity, are the premades in the Starfinder 2e adventure built with the playtest rules or the final release rules?

In April's Paizo Live, they said it was written using the playtest rules. It was probably written before the full rules were finalized.

Thanks for all of this!

Elfteiroh wrote:

They are basically Isekai protagonists... :P I guess some Jotunborns will be "transported" against their will and will be a little less... motivated than our iconic here, and will want to live an easy-going live with their cheat abi... oh wait. They don't get cheat abilities. Oops. xD

Mythic powers are right there if you want the full Isekai experience. heh.

Well... About that...

I've never done Free RPG Day before. If I travel a couple hours to a shop that has the books, will I just be able to pick them up, or is there a requirement to play since I won't be GMing because my local shop isn't participating?

There's not a lot of set rules... Shops may vary, but from my experience, the stuff is usually just spread on a table and people pick what they want from it. Because I know the stores have to pay to get these, I usually always try to buy at least one item at the same time I pick up the stuff, as a courtesy, and in hope that it will encourage them to keep doing it every year.

Well, teh Foundry Marketplace do list it at a price that is 5 bucks lower than here, so if they paid 50$, it was either because of taxes, or something else... if it's the latter, they might have to contact Foundry, cause that wouldn't be normal.

They are basically Isekai protagonists... :P I guess some Jotunborns will be "transported" against their will and will be a little less... motivated than our iconic here, and will want to live an easy-going live with their cheat abi... oh wait. They don't get cheat abilities. Oops. xD

But gosh I love him. :3

The way that Wayne Reynolds can paint a brutish giant man wearing seventeen breastplates and you can still see the kindness in his eyes, I swear to Shelyn.

Him and Ulka, two lost travellers with no way back home. Quite the pair, can't wait to see the two of them in action.

It's the soft lines of the face. Soft round eyes and nose!

Will the pdf of this product be fillable?

If I remember correctly, there was a mention some years ago that the personalization process was incompatible with fillable PDFs.

ornathopter wrote:

Is there anything at all for kinetecists? Or anything from treasure vault that previously helped strikes and spells, and now includes impulses in that?

No. Some items were converted away from spell schools or other premastered concepts. The only thing that jumped out at me as not fitting this is the Addiction Suppressant being converted to an Affliction Suppressant, and to a lesser extent an animal companion assistive item being changed from barding to just a worn item.

Yeah, the rules for drugs, and thus "Addictions" were not reprinted between Gamemastery Guide and GM Core, so yeah.

This is a ridiculously trivial nitpick, but the PDF for the remastered Treasure Vault still uses the text

Quote:

This 224-page hardcover rulebook

on the Backmatter, just as with the legacy version... even though two additional pages of item art have been inserted after what used to be page about Dark Archive and is now about War of Immortals.

224 -> 226.

:D

They are printed on the inside covers, these are not counted as pages.

I think her story is leaning a lot on the angle that for these orcs, dying in battle is almost as much of a win as actually winning.

Huzzah!

Aaaw!!!
Thanks you all for sharing! All awesome people that deserve all the joy! :D

I've been playing TTRPGs for decades. Since early 2000s with AD&D 2nd. At one point, I looked back at my characters, and realized that ever since I had finally got the courage to finally play a female character seriously, all of them were. This realization pushed me to try playing a man again and... it felt wrong. But the more I was thinking about it, the less I felt right playing women either.

That was around the time I was finally learning about the wide variety of queer people. In my youth, while studying creative literature, I have experimented a bit with writing poetry and fiction from the perspective of gay characters, both men and women, and while it didn't feel right for me, I was surprised how easy it had been to put myself in their shoes. And how it opened my eyes to some of their struggles. And joys.

So I took that past experience, and decided to apply it to my gaming. I started playing gender neutral characters. I played some trans characters. Paradoxically, there were two situations that felt the best for me. Agender or carefree NB characters, that basically don't care at all for genders. And genderfluid or very NB characters that either let me experiment with gender stuff, or that have their NB nature being a very core facet of their characters. The formers just felt right. And the latters just felt fun. xD

But I'm a French speaking person. Genders is BAKED IN the language. A hecking table has a gender for us. So going by "NB" or "agender" IRL felt like it wasn't really an option for me. And I didn't feel right to call myself queer for a long time. Until Mark Seifter, a Paizo employee at that time, used "they/them" pronoun for me on stream. I cried. It just. Felt right. I had never asked for it, but he felt it was right for me when I didn't have the courage of admiting it. This was my first big true queer joy.

And yes. I fully credit Paizo games to have helped me figuring myself out. Thanks for Morlibint, Radiant Prism, Mios, Quinn, Hao Jin, Kyra and Merisiel, Irabeth and Anevia, Kalabrynne, Clarethe, Fadelby, J Dacilane, most characters in Grand Bazaar, Shardra, Zihara, Beirivelle, Sihar, and so so so so many more.

Maya Coleman wrote:

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Look at this beautiful cover. I'm in love with it.

And as a dragon lover myself, I can't deny the magical dragons (the ones previously know as true dragons) are the monsters I'm looking forward the most.

And there are eight brand new dragons in this one. I'm really curious about how the Cinder dragon will be different enough from the iconic Red Dragon. I really liked what we got for the Horned Dragon. It feels distinct enough from the Green, but we can still recognize some traits from their previous incarnation, specially the Pathfinder take in their more disciplined personalities.

You are going to have a great fall! This and Draconic Codex??? So much to look forward to!

Really hoping there are actual replacements for the other colors as well. The only (evil) one we got a replacement for in Monster Core 1 was the green dragon.

Cinder (ex-red), Bog (ex-black), Rime (ex-white) have all been confirmed. Then there's also have been Mocking (ex-copper) that have been confirmed for new designs inspired by the metalics. The "ex-chromatics" have been pretty "faithful" and focusing on their physical aspects, while the ex-metalics have apparently been mostly based on their personalities, but turned to 11 (at least for Mocking). We don't know how many of these are in this, but if they are not in there, then they should be in teh Lost Omen Draconic Codex.

Cori Marie wrote:

What Foundry version are you on?

The newest version of Foundry, 13 build 344. It's not the only mod having an issue with the update so it might be a compatibility issue. Will email support for help though!

The PF2 system for Foundry v13 is still in beta, as in, "Use at your own risk" state. So yeah, a lot of modules are waiting for the full system to be out to update, cause it's likely system updates could still break them if they update now.

Any idea when the players guide will drop for this?

Thanks

Tom

Uusally around ~2 weeks-ish before release... It release on July 2nd, so I woould expect it around mid June.

I am *highly* amused how much Carrius is being a reluctant isekai protagonist.

That would be closer to a reluctant reincarnation, or Tensei, protagonist. xD