I like how we're ok with spider man being a zombie and we're ok with him selling his marriage and memory to the devil - yes very in character for "great responsibility" Parker - but him having a different ethnicity is just too crazy to believe!
Are you even looking at what you're typing?
If the comic came first then the movie, I believe that most people might grumble but the objections would be much less.
If the movie came first then the comic (if any), I believe that most people would object.
Spidey has been a WHITE zombie.
Great. Now I want to see Spidey on stage. I'm not going to be able to get that image out of my head for a while.
Personally though, and this is just me, I was pulling for Yukio(Asian woman) and Callisto(Caucasian woman).
Thank GOD I'm not the only one who sensed chemistry there!!!!!!!
Nope.Spiderman has been a zombie.
Spiderman has been a manga hero.
Spiderman has been a clone but then wasn't a clone but then was three clones but then ok enough of that terrible storyline.
Spiderman has been a woman.
Spiderman has sold his memory and his wife to the devil.
All those items, except for the last one, were either alternate continuity stories or stories where the status quo shakeup was the point (and where the status quo was eventually restored). The last one is one of the most hotly debated and criticized stories in mainstream comics.
I think the bottom line for the whole thing is that Glover should totally have a chance to audition and should get the part if he's the best for the role. But he also shouldn't be given the role under the logic of, "Why NOT have a black Spider-Man?" Race should not disqualify the actor, nor should it be some sort of golden ticket to land the role.
Stepping out of the way things should be and going to the way that things will be, I don't see a realistic chance of a black actor playing Spider-Man. The studio is going to put a lot of work into finding some young popular white guy who can bring in teenage girls or whatever fringe demographic they want to land for the movie. (And even if they were going with a black star, they'd probably look for someone with a bigger track record and financial success than Glover.) Movie studios, unfortunately, do not operate under logic or morality, so I really doubt that we'll get the "what should happen" scenario.
Guys of the thousands of white role models and heroes I have to choose from one of them is going black, and let me tell you, I'm as livid as I can be!
No seriously, this is really dumb. You are, once again, stating that it's totally ok for Peter Parker to be anything so long as he's not black. That's more or less the definition of racism.
And don't spew "Alternate Worlds" crap because with all the dumb shakeups and crossovers and mixups, all of canon may as well be an alternate world at this point.
The fact is, there was a zombie spiderman.
There was and long a horrible storyline about him maybe wait no wait yes being a thousand clones.
There is a female Peter Parker
There was a mangaverse spidermam
If the comics can change the canon, why not the movies?
If the comics can change the canon, why not the movies?
Because the mentioned occurences do not constitute changes of the canon.
Even in the one about the clones, which is the only one set in the canon, or main if you will, Marvel universe (not multiverse, as in alternate Earths and What If storylines), nothing was really changed since Peter Parker, and not Ben Reilly, was still the original.
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If the comics can change the canon, why not the movies?Because the mentioned occurences do not constitute changes of the canon.
Even in the one about the clones, which is the only one set in the canon, or main if you will, Marvel universe (not multiverse, as in alternate Earths and What If storylines), nothing was really changed since Peter Parker, and not Ben Reilly, was still the original.
Well to be fair he was then he wasn't and then he was again.
Good point. Thank goodness I am not that big of a Spider-Man fan. From what I have heard that storyline got most of the fans up in arms so to speak. And then came One More Day.
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Guys of the thousands of white role models and heroes I have to choose from one of them is going black, and let me tell you, I'm as livid as I can be!
No seriously, this is really dumb. You are, once again, stating that it's totally ok for Peter Parker to be anything so long as he's not black. That's more or less the definition of racism.
And don't spew "Alternate Worlds" crap because with all the dumb shakeups and crossovers and mixups, all of canon may as well be an alternate world at this point.
The fact is, there was a zombie spiderman.
There was and long a horrible storyline about him maybe wait no wait yes being a thousand clones.
There is a female Peter Parker
There was a mangaverse spidermam
If the comics can change the canon, why not the movies?
Oops, you got me! Card carrying racist right here!
On a more serious note, what we really need right now is a blacker, more hip Indiana Jones. Or a black Luke Skywalker! Or a black-you know what, f%&# it, lets make every character ever black, just for the s~!$s and giggles!And then we can declare racism officially over and sleep better at night!
The fact is, there was a zombie spiderman.There was and long a horrible storyline about him maybe wait no wait yes being a thousand clones.
There is a female Peter Parker
There was a mangaverse spidermam
If the comics can change the canon, why not the movies?
Okay, if you're going to do this, then technically there has already been a black Spider-Man in an issue written by Paul Jenkins. Sure, it was only in a kid's imagination, but that's as in-continuity as Marvel Zombies or Marvel's ill-fated manga experiment. So bam. There has been a black Spider-Man by the standards you're presenting.
(By the way, I'm betting there would be similar complaints by fans if they decided to do a movie about zombie Spider-Man or a female Peter Parker...does that make everyone sexist/anti-zombi-ist as well?)
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Thank GOD I'm not the only one who sensed chemistry there!!!!!!!
Personally though, and this is just me, I was pulling for Yukio(Asian woman) and Callisto(Caucasian woman).
The latest thing I remember is that hottub scene with all three of them in it and Callisto literally wrapping her tentacles around the others plus herself while they all talked shop.
I may joke about Claremont being a little fetish-y at times but damn. The subtext was pretty much text at that point. :P
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There were a bunch of clones...all Caucasian. The only one that was seriously suggested as a non-clone was Ben Reilly...who was a white male that looked just like Peter Parker. And when all was said and done with, Peter Parker was NOT the clone, Ben died, and the status quo returned to normal.
There is NOT a female Peter Parker. There is a female Jessica Drew, who in Ultimate happens to be a remixed clone of Peter Parker. She's also not Spider-Man, she's Spider-Woman.
If the comics can change the canon, why not the movies?
Because Loquisha Jones, black lesbian Spider-Man doesn't have any fan base. People want to see Peter Parker, the REAL Spider-Man, not some wildly different variant. Hell, most people who go to the movies aren't going to be the kind of hardcore comic fans who know about Marvel Zombies, the Clone Saga, the Marvel Mangaverse, etc. Hell, most won't even realize that this Spider-Man film is based off of a different continuity (Ultimate) than the previous films (616).
As for all the alternate-continuity variants...yes, there have been some. However, only one has ever been anything more than a one-shot with an audience capable of sustaining a monthly book is Ultimate Spider-Man...whom this movie is going to be largely based off of.
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On a more serious note, what we really need right now is a blacker, more hip Indiana Jones.
Well, they already tried to introduce a younger, more douche-y Indiana Jones.
Frankly, they went the wrong route with that film. I would have gone with a younger version of the existing character, and hired Nathan Fillion.
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On a more serious note, what we really need right now is a blacker, more hip Indiana Jones.Well, they already tried to introduce a younger, more douche-y Indiana Jones.
Frankly, they went the wrong route with that film. I would have gone with a younger version of the existing character, and hired Nathan Fillion.
Nathan Fillion needs to play Hal Jordan!
Thank GOD I'm not the only one who sensed chemistry there!!!!!!!
Personally though, and this is just me, I was pulling for Yukio(Asian woman) and Callisto(Caucasian woman).The latest thing I remember is that hottub scene with all three of them in it and Callisto literally wrapping her tentacles around the others plus herself while they all talked shop.
I may joke about Claremont being a little fetish-y at times but damn. The subtext was pretty much text at that point. :P
I felt the chemistry before, when Ororo wrested control of Morlocks from her time and time again in hand to hand combat.
Powers or not, the woman is damn scary. I love it when they get into her knife fighting. I wish she had never gotten rid of the mohawk. God. Love that woman.
Yes, because I think a guy who is black should be eligable to play Peter Parker, I clearly think EVERYONE IN THE WORLD MUST BE BLACK!!!
I didn't say you were a racist. I said your conclusion that "Look as long as he's not black it's fine" was racist.
I'm not saying Spiderman must be black or else...! I'm saying, if they best dude they find ain't white, who cares. Who cares. Will Smith has built his entire career on being "The black guy who plays white guys," and he's pretty damn successful.
Incidentally, have you seen the guy who's trying to try out for Spiderman? He's a funny, witty, and sarcastic nerdy guy with some boyish good looks. He basically IS Peter Parker.
If it's not about canon - and it's not about canon, since the writer of Ultimate Spiderman has encouraged Glover to go for it - then what's your hang up? By all means, tell me why Spiderman cannot ever be non-white. And again, keep in mind, the writer for the comic book has endorsed it.
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I'm not for or against a black Peter Parker but remember this: A black Peter Parker almost certainly means a black Aunt May and a black (yes, that's right) Uncle Ben. Grab your rice, everybody! We're going to the movies!
Depending on how far the studio wants to go, we could also end up with either an interracial relationship (actually kind of a neat idea) or Erica Hubbard as MJ/Gwen (I think she could pull it off.)
I think the biggest hurdle to overcome in casting a black Peter Parker may actually come from having to cast everybody else as black as well. Not that there's any shortage of great black actors, but it might be too much of a shock for audiences and Spider-Man's fan base to handle. It would also be such a huge target for satire (see Uncle Ben) that it might be parodied to death before it even reaches theaters. I just don't see Sony taking the risk.
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Powers or not, the woman is damn scary. I love it when they get into her knife fighting. I wish she had never gotten rid of the mohawk. God. Love that woman.
The statues sitting on my bookshelf agree! That period was definitely my favorite for Storm, and for the X-titles in general.
(just pulled From The Ashes of the bookshelf and flipped to the first Callisto fight for reference. damn)
I remember for the longest time Ororo was the only character that could make Wolverine shut up and back down. I think she started doing that like four issues after her debut.
Nathan Fillion needs to play Hal Jordan!
Absolutely. For a full idea of how he might be as Hal Jordan, check out the Wonder Woman animated movie. He voices a version of Steve Trevor, who is basically Hal before he got his power ring.
If they decided to go the non-white spider-man (and in fact I think a hispanic makes a lot of sense, just look at spidey's original wrestler outfit ;D), I would prefer if they didn't make a non-white Peter Parker. I would much rather see a person inspired (and perhaps mutated a little) by an aging Peter Parker and takes over the role.
Am I the only one here who really wants to see a white guy playing Shaft?
Shut your mouth....please.
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Nathan Fillion needs to play Hal Jordan!Absolutely. For a full idea of how he might be as Hal Jordan, check out the Wonder Woman animated movie. He voices a version of Steve Trevor, who is basically Hal before he got his power ring.
While I agree that Fillion would make an awesome Hal Jordan, it ain't gonna happen. Ryan Reynolds has the job. I'm hoping he'll do ok.
That and the fact of turning Storm into a Lesbian would be a rather sudden change in and of itself perhaps?
Personally though, and this is just me, I was pulling for Yukio(Asian woman) and Callisto(Caucasian woman).
But apparently it's bad to wish Storm would get together with three out of four of those characters because it would be interracial and thus somehow...
I disagree. There's been a lot of tension between her and a few female characters over the years.
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I disagree. There's been a lot of tension between her and a few female characters over the years.That and the fact of turning Storm into a Lesbian would be a rather sudden change in and of itself perhaps?
Personally though, and this is just me, I was pulling for Yukio(Asian woman) and Callisto(Caucasian woman).
But apparently it's bad to wish Storm would get together with three out of four of those characters because it would be interracial and thus somehow...
Starting around 1982-1983, IIRC.
Who was it that wrote the "More than friends, less than sisters" bit about Ororo and Yukio? Claremont or Lobdell?
I disagree. There's been a lot of tension between her and a few female characters over the years.That and the fact of turning Storm into a Lesbian would be a rather sudden change in and of itself perhaps?
Personally though, and this is just me, I was pulling for Yukio(Asian woman) and Callisto(Caucasian woman).
But apparently it's bad to wish Storm would get together with three out of four of those characters because it would be interracial and thus somehow...
Starting around 1982-1983, IIRC.
Who was it that wrote the "More than friends, less than sisters" bit about Ororo and Yukio? Claremont or Lobdell?
Sounds like Claremont to me.
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Sounds like Claremont to me.I disagree. There's been a lot of tension between her and a few female characters over the years.That and the fact of turning Storm into a Lesbian would be a rather sudden change in and of itself perhaps?
Personally though, and this is just me, I was pulling for Yukio(Asian woman) and Callisto(Caucasian woman).
But apparently it's bad to wish Storm would get together with three out of four of those characters because it would be interracial and thus somehow...
Starting around 1982-1983, IIRC.
Who was it that wrote the "More than friends, less than sisters" bit about Ororo and Yukio? Claremont or Lobdell?
Well they did turn the Beast gay so who knows.
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Well they did turn the Beast gay so who knows.Sounds like Claremont to me.I disagree. There's been a lot of tension between her and a few female characters over the years.That and the fact of turning Storm into a Lesbian would be a rather sudden change in and of itself perhaps?
Personally though, and this is just me, I was pulling for Yukio(Asian woman) and Callisto(Caucasian woman).
But apparently it's bad to wish Storm would get together with three out of four of those characters because it would be interracial and thus somehow...
Starting around 1982-1983, IIRC.
Who was it that wrote the "More than friends, less than sisters" bit about Ororo and Yukio? Claremont or Lobdell?
Wasn't that just something he did to get back at his ex?
Loks like they've made their decision.
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Well they did turn the Beast gay so who knows.Sounds like Claremont to me.I disagree. There's been a lot of tension between her and a few female characters over the years.That and the fact of turning Storm into a Lesbian would be a rather sudden change in and of itself perhaps?
Personally though, and this is just me, I was pulling for Yukio(Asian woman) and Callisto(Caucasian woman).
But apparently it's bad to wish Storm would get together with three out of four of those characters because it would be interracial and thus somehow...
Starting around 1982-1983, IIRC.
Who was it that wrote the "More than friends, less than sisters" bit about Ororo and Yukio? Claremont or Lobdell?
Since when? Hank is currently with Agent Abigal Brand of S.W.O.R.D.
Well, at then end of the day, the only real question I can think of is not if Spiderman will be white, black, orange or a Smurf, but rather:
Do we really need another Spiderman novie?
Well, at then end of the day, the only real question I can think of is not if Spiderman will be white, black, orange or a Smurf, but rather:
Do we really need another Spiderman novie?
Personally, I'd much rather a good Spider-Man cartoon show. Actually, that goes for just about any superhero. I think ongoing TV shows work better than movies in their case. Out of all the superhero media that's come out over the last decade, I think the Justice League animated series is by far the best, largely because they had the space to explore longer plots and character development than a movie could ever fit.