Ok so it said "Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects. These bonuses must be applicable to the weapon or attack used to perform the maneuver. "
Azothath wrote:
If i grapple with a bite attack that mean that when i maintain the grapple i can use another natural attack like tail slap, claw or a light weapon to deal damage but i can also use the main attack(Bite) to deal the damage, so if i follow everything that is said, the CMB check count as an attack bonus, bonus that apply to attack bonus apply to the attack, i can deal damage from this attack or another that fit int Nat,IUS,Light,1H weapon, so the effect that affecte the attack should work on the Damage part, so if i choose an attack with poison it would proc the poison, power attack add the penalty to CM check and add damage to all melee damage rolls, pretty sure that grapple damage count as melee damage so it should work. Sadly i still have other questions :/
for the other what i found with other thread and guide is :
Azothath wrote:
Yeah i know about this flow chart (maybe you are talking about another one)but its doesnt really answer any of my question since my question are more about what bonus can i apply to CMD/CMB and damage than the flow of action, it doesnt say anything about feat like Greater Grapple either. For the PF1 guides, ZG is Zenith Games? Anyway i read some brawler guide left and right but it doesnt help my question since it always say deal the damage of unarmed strike (cause most of the time they use brawler) but they dont talk about which bonus can you add to damage.
10- If the natural attack/unarmed strike does special effects are they applied on the Damage option from grapple or the constrict? Like noxious bite since i'm still biting the target for the grapple & constrict does it add the +1 acid and make the target make a save or get nauseated?
happykj wrote:
Yeah i know but everywhere i saw people saying that you must take the -20 to grapple someone else but i dont know why people are saying that since you can grapple multiple people and the grappled conditions doesnt say you cant make a maneuver or attack on someone else i saw the -4 for humanoid if you dont have a free hand but its a giant snake not a humanoid so if its grappled with it Bite attack and it attack with another natural attack (the tail one in my example) then how does it work? do i get malus (like the -20 and why ?), if i have greater grapple then i can maintain both grapple or one check is enough for all grapple ?
Hi, This thread is linked to another one concerning a UC eidolon. I made a separate thread so that if someone has the same question as me, it’s easier to find. The story feat Magical Enigma lets you treat one class feature (one bloodline power, eidolon evolutions, one revelation, phantom abilities, spirit animal, or a witch’s familiar) as if you were 1 level higher or as if your INT, WIS, or CHA were 2 higher, for the purpose of that feature’s effects. Here is how I think it works for each option. For eidolons, the difference between chained and unchained doesn’t change much here, since it mainly depends on evolutions, and those don’t differ that much between the two versions. ONE bloodline power :
eidolon evolutions :
ONE revelation :
It doesn’t allow you to select a revelation with a level requirement earlier, since you must already have the class feature when taking Magical Enigma. Also, most revelations are gained at the same levels as their requirements (often 7th or 11th), so this wouldn’t change much anyway. phantom abilities :
spirit animal :
witch’s familiar (not sure why this is only witch/shaman and not wizard):
That’s how I understand it. Can you tell me if I got it right, or if I completely misunderstood something?
9- Does feat like Body Shield that make a grapple combat maneuver check deal constrict damage on success?
Hi, One of my players wants to build a UC Summoner with a grapple-based eidolon. I’ve never really played a grapple build, so I’m having trouble understanding a few things. The eidolon will have the base form Serpentine, Grab (Bite), Grab (Tail Slap), and Constrict.
1- For the feat Improved grapple , it increases CMD against being grappled, but does it work when a grappled target tries to escape the grapple? 2- When using the feat Greater grapple, you can make 2 checks but only need one success to maintain the grapple. Does that mean I can use my move action to deal damage and then my standard action to deal damage again? And does Constrict deal damage on each successful damage maneuver? So does every damage option deal (bite damage) ×2? 3- When you are controlling the grapple, you gain a +5 bonus on subsequent rounds to maintain the grapple. This doesn’t affect CMD, right? 4- The grab ability says that you take a –20 penalty to avoid gaining the grappled condition yourself, but I don’t see anywhere in the grappled condition or the grapple rules that you can’t grapple someone else while already grappled. For example, on turn 1, if it full attacks: bite someone -> free grab, tail slap -> free grab, how does that work? 5- When you are controlling the grapple, it says: "Grappled creatures cannot move and take a –4 penalty to Dexterity. A grappled creature takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks, except those made to grapple or escape a grapple."
6- The grabability states: “Creatures with the grab special attack receive a +4 bonus on combat maneuver checks to start and maintain a grapple.” Does this bonus also apply to the second check from Greater Grapple? Since technically, if the first check succeeds, the second one is used to pin, deal damage, or move the target, rather than to maintain the grapple. 7- Maintaining a grapple seems difficult against melee characters. Even if the grappler is specialized (feats, traits, features), against a fighter or full BAB class it doesn’t take much effort to escape. Is there a way to boost CMD (other than size, STR, and DEX), or reduce the bonus the target has to escape? 8- Here is a sample of the bite attack tell me if everything seems good with my math :
Hello i want to know if those two feat work together and get you two "Familiar" ? Cause based on the wording its seems like Hand's Detachment doesnt really count as a familiar so i could have both of them right? Or maybe i missed something.
If those two are special cases are there other like them?
Ok thanks for the answers i think i understood a little better the archetype and how it work. While thinking about wich order taking i saw the Order of the flame and i was wondering if the Glorious Challenge would give resolve if you defeat the target since it said "acts like a cavalier’s challenge class feature"?
Hello i want to make a samurai and i saw the ironbound Sword but i dont know i'm i understood the third level feature correctly. From what I understood if you are SAM 5 and FIG 10 then you : - dont have The Greater Resolve(SAM 9) or the Honorable Stand (SAM 11 )
You only progress the feature that you already unlock at your true class level (SAM 5 /FIG 10). What i dont know :
Another question but not about the class but about the Unconquerable Resolve, the wording seems weird for me because it said "These temporary hit points are lost first when you take damage, disappear after 1 minute, and are replenished each time you use the resolve class feature" so ok when i use it then i have 1 min before they vanish but at the after it say "Temporary hit points gained in this way persist for 24 hours and then, if you haven’t lost them, they disappear." So what is it --' And last question, should i go vanilla fighter or is there a good archetype to got with samurai?
And does is there any way to have more time under wild shape? cause i found the druid's vestment but it only give me +1 hours :/
Ok i will mainly go STR then and just invest a little in Dex for ac. While looking at feat i found Raking Claws but i dont know how it work.
Hi, I'm trying to make an NPC adaptative shifter but i'm wondering how should i build it, at first i thought going full STR but with Shifter edge it seems to do the same amount of damage if i go DEX.
- Wich path (STR/DEX) do you think is the best for a combat oriented shifter? - If we go the Str path then is there a way to use STR on thrown weapon's attacks? - Does shifter edge work with the spike of the spike form? - What feat do you recommend ? (except shifter edge, Power Attack/Pirhanna Strike, weapon focus, increase natural attack). - How can the NPC stay most of the day in some small/tiny animal ? (other option than Kitsune -> Fox form ?) - Way to increase duration of Unfettered Wild Shape ?
I want the pc to be able to use her charisma (via persuasion/lie/intimidation or even spell/su abilities/etc..) to get out of most situation, as a noble the pc should master diplomacy, bluff &intimidation, since she was educate she should have knoledge about eveey subject but mainly noble and local, as a noble she might have ro talk with people from other country and of different races so she must be able to talk to anyone.
Ok so to help what i'm looking for is a character that can be a good heir for now (not destined to rule before some years and maybe not first in line), in addition to the social part i want a little bit of self defense casting or martial (even if i prefer a little bit the casting/su capacity for the help that it can give to CHA skills), the type of character is more someone who lead/manipulate/convince people (one idea that i was working on was the mesmerist cause great control). For the culture we are playing with pathfinder but in the forgotten realms, it was something like 50years before the event of tyranny of dragon if it can help for the timeline. The thing would be that the character was traveling incognito and join the group to gain experience of meeting a lot of people instead of staying at home protected. For now i looked at the following base classes:
what i'm looking is if i'm taking the CP Noble Scion, what class would be good, cause i know some class fall really hard when you multiclass, i would like feat and trait that can complement any of those classe to stick to the concept.
Melkiador wrote:
Yeah swashbuckler was what i had in mind when i tried to think of a noble with combat capability but i dont know about the investigator (never build one ), Rogue Phantom Thief is the archetype i thought to use for the butler (npc via prestige ) of the main character, noble scion is a class that i might take. Mysterious Stranger wrote: That being said my advice for a potential ruler would be bard Sadly i dont know why but i really dont make a lot of bard as my character, i just dont find it appealing :/, i know its really versatile but every time i'm thinking of making a character this class would never cross my mind. Trokarr wrote: It’s one of my favourite archetypes so I’m biased but may I suggest Courtly Hunter? Never saw that archetype and clearly didnt expect it from a hunter archetype ^^, look kind of fun, like the animal companion could be the spirit link to the family that is passed down to each heir and that guide him, since it have intelligence and can have a lot of skills on his own. I will try and think about those classes but as you said, the class would matter a little for making a royal character, so what feat/trait could complement this concept?
In a homebrew campaign, I want to play the heir to a royal family from any given kingdom. The campaign is more focused on roleplay—interactions between characters and the wider world—rather than constant combat like in some of Paizo’s Adventure Paths. While fights still happen, they’re rarely lethal. I’m aiming for a character with high Charisma and strong social skills. Ideally, I’d like an archetype or prestige class that offers features to enhance roleplay. However, since the campaign is still about 20–30% combat, I also want to remain useful in a fight, either on the front lines or in a support capacity. I’m open to a Charisma-based spellcaster or a Dexterity-based melee type (something like a swashbuckler).
Melkiador wrote: Phantom Blade archetype is even more Bleach-like It seems like this could work, but there's something I don't quite understand about the Phantom Blade: - Does it have to be a one-handed slashing weapon, a rapier, or a sword cane (similarly to a Black Blade)? The description says, “A phantom blade begins play with an ectoplasmic sentient weapon known as a phantom weapon, whose weapon type is chosen by the phantom blade. The weapon type must be one with which the phantom blade is proficient. A phantom weapon functions similarly to the black blade of the bladebound magus archetype.” - Does the weapon need to fulfill any specific prerequisites for enchantments? For example, disrupting can only be placed on a bludgeoning weapon, so can I still apply disrupting to a Phantom Blade if it’s in the form of a sword?
The concept of the character is that he is an assassin so his goal is to kill his target in one strike if possible (ofc if it fails it should still be able to hit hard) for that i thought of 3 path :
But idk wich would work best and how to build them,especially the vital strike one, i saw the mortal usher that gave the feat for "free" and would start ranger so that i have access to leads blades. What would you do?
Hello,
- It seems like the base evolution were not updated cause i dont see why and aberration cant take the Bite or the Claw evolution. - In the grab rules it said "If the creature does not constrict, each successful grapple check it makes during successive rounds automatically deals the damage indicated for the attack that established the hold. Otherwise, it deals constriction damage as well " does that mean that by default any eidolon attack with grab deals the damage of its attacks? or is it something else? - If i have Tentacle Mass[Grab] & Bite[Grab] how does grapple work? can i have 2 target grappled or since maintaining the grapple is an action i can only chose one of them? Or does the grapple with natural attack work differently? The goal is to make something that look like Shub-Niggurath or the Gibbering Mouther, so lot of tentacle, teeth and eyes. Any idea for the feat/evolution? And for information i will all in on the eidolon so i will try to get as much evolution point as possible (Soulbound, Half-elf FCB, Extra Evo Feats) so i will have something like 13point by level 7 and and 23 by level 13 (level for Huge evolution)
Sphynx wrote: An eyebiter imbues one of his eyes with limited sentience, so that he can pluck it out and allow it to move on its own. The eyeball familiar functions similarly to the tumor familiar alchemist discovery (Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Magic 17) except as follows. The eyeball familiar does not have fast healing. The eyeball familiar doesn’t resemble an animal, and its size is Fine for a Medium or smaller eyebiter (or one size category larger for every size category the eyebiter is larger than Medium). It has a fly speed of 20 feet (perfect maneuverability) and no physical attacks (though it can still deliver touch spells once the eyebiter has reached 3rd level). The eyeball has a Strength score of 1, a Dexterity score of 12, and a Constitution score of 10. It has no set Hit Die, base saves, or skill ranks of its own, though it uses its master’s when a familiar normally would. It doesn’t grant its master any familiar bonus, nor can it ever be an improved familiar. No it doesnt gain Fast healing this is why i'm asking :/
Hi, I'm trying to make a Mesmerist (Eyebiter) and i was wondering what to do with the Eyeball Familiar : - First of all it does not have fast healing so how does it heal? If you put it back it heal with you when you rest or receive healing? Do you need to heal it alone? - It has no set Hit Die, base saves, or skill ranks of its own so how does the sage archetype work? The sage archetype give 2 rank per level of the master and since the familiar INT increase a lot then it should gain more SP but since you cant add more rank thant your level/HD to a skill does that mean that it cant even put rank in it? - If i cant use the Sage archetype is there any other fun/usefull archetype? -What would happen if someone cast regeneration on the character while the eyes is away? Does it grow back and i have 3 eyes?(one of them floating cause he cant come back)
Its more about flavor than power yeah and i know about synthesist but "fusing" with thye eidolon is not what i'm looking for. Except Kitsune is there another race that can shapeshift into small form (fox for kitsune) Cause hiding the summoner mark can be done with clothe or something else as long as its not an illusion made by magic. And for the archetype i'm think of going Soulbound Summoner so the mark will be somewhere else than the forehead. What i want is more flavor than power, i want my group to think that my eidolon is my character and that my true character is either his little pet (if i'm in kitsune fox form ) or an inanimate object like a wooden puppet in case of a construct race like wyrmwood
The goal is to make it look like the Eidolon (which would be biped) is the character and the true character is either an object/trinket (if i use a construct race like wyrmwood) or the pet of the Eidolon (if i take a race that can shapeshift like kitsune or some small/tiny race that can pass as a pet)
Hi, I'm trying to make a Summoner character that is hiding in a big bag (or even a box), the character should be able to pass as an object or a pet. How would you make such a character? I tought of using a wyrmwood character cause its small and could be passed as a puppet but maybe there is a better fit for this
Thanks for your answers, i think i will go with Toshy and OmniMage ideas cause it seems close to what i was looking for. @Mysterious Stranger
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I was wondering if there was a way to put some default in it like "each time it is use the elixir has 5% chance to have real magical property" to reduce the price or is the only way to reduce price is to make it useable only by certains class/alignement or with a skill?
Hi as the title said i need help to create a magic item or to know if it is possible. The magic item will be a wondrous item, it will be a decanter that will create 2 dose of Elixir of repression per day (if they are not consumme after 24h they will lose they property). Is it possible? If it is how much would it cost to make, what spell do i need and should i put restriction on it to maybe lower the price? If you want to know why its because in a campaign a player have some tendancy (sadly murderous one :/) but another player want to craft a magic item that produce 2 Elixir of repression per day (cause it last for 12 hour) to calm those tendancy but neither of them or me know enough about magic item crafting to know if it is possible.
Hi, While looking at classes and feat i tought of something is there feat/trait/class feature that let you remove body part and let you use it to do one specific thing, act like a familiar or anything else? For now i only saw those :
Hi, Question about natural attacks, i dont know if i understand the rules about NA and i have a question about some situation : - Natural weapon are melee weapon so if a feat or ability talk about weapon it can be use on a natural weapon (for exemple Weapon Mastery (Ex) of the battle mystery should work if i select Bite)
Now the question :
IF you gain the same natural attack from multiple source do you keep only one of your choice and gain only its effet or do you take the best of both? For exemple if you gain Unusual Heritage (Dhampir) feat which give you a bite attack that deal 1d4d and 1d4 bleed then you take the oracle curse Hunger which give you a bite attack of 1d6, do you have a bite attack that deal 1d6 + 1d4bleed or only one of them?
Yeah for the form when i was looking up its the lamia matriarch form if i was talking about the nagaji its because we played a pf2 game last time and another player was a Sacred Nagaji
I didnt know about Assume Appearance but i think it might be the solution since i though of using a lot of clothe to hide the tail he could still use a lot of clothes so the other PC dont realize that he change body, disguise skill could work if he keep the same body type.
Hi, In a game someone want to play a lamia (with the serpentine tail, since it look like some nagaji are in this form the GM was ok to have the legless from the Merfolk to replace the nagaji's "Serpent’s Sense" trait) but the GM told him that some people could be scared or hostile to him, cause he look a little like a monster, i know that the disguise skill can be use to try to hide race and even size at -4 on the check,but i find it strange cause idk how can he hide the long tail. So i want to know if there is some way feat/trait/spell that can let him hide his tail for an extended period of time (min 4 hours), if its a spell it must be from the alchemist spell list or you must find a way to gain acces to the spell.
4- Now that i read about the poison stacking, and it doesnt say if the DC is reduce at one point only that if you manage to cure one stack you cure all stacks, does that mean that at one point the DC is unbeatable ? If i use sticky poison and i hit a lot +2 on the DC can go quite high if i manage my poison generation+hit or does it decrease at one point? 5- Final question (for now), do you have any feat/item/trait that can help the toxicant? (Except adder strike, toxic&Virulent weapon, Pernicious Stab cause i might go vivisectionist)
Archaeik wrote:
ok thanks for the answer 1- Yeah thats what i tought but i tought that maybe there was a rule which said something like "if an effect it induce by ennemy touching you with natural/unarmed attack then your natural attack can apply this effect" cause you know they are technicaly touching you when you hit them :p, but thats ok 2- Yeah i know about the Sticky Poison discovery the question was more about stacking poison cause i didnt know how it work but thanks to the link of happykj 3- Nice one didnt tought of FCT to use adder strike with nat attack, and yeah i was wondering if there was a rules to use move/standard action to make a swift action, i will try to see that with my MJ thanks
Hi, i'm looking at the toxicant archetype and i found it amazing since i think poison in pf or even dnd is a little bit underrated :/, so i have a few question 1- The Toxic Secretion inflict the poison on any natural attack or unarmed strike that touch the toxicant cause the poison is secrated through the skin and ofc if you touch it you are f!&&ed, but if the Toxicant have natural attacks like claw or bite (from the feral mutagen or even race trait ) does it apply the poison? 2- If you poison your claws (either is the answer to 1 is yes or if you use action to poison them) does your poison stacks? Or does it just reset? Or just nothing? Like if i hit someone with the first claw then he must succeed a save or take MOD INT dmg and if i hit him again with the claw does it take the damage again on the on hit and next turn, and next turn does he have 2 save to make to avoir taking MOD INT dmg two time or its only one save and it took MOD INT dmg*2 3- Any way to poison multiple weapon in one round?
Hi,
So my question is "Is there any way to gain some feature like tail & horn other than multiclassing? Is there a feat or even a trait that can gave this?" I asked Fey too cause i know a friend who want to have like Fairy butterfly wings.
Hi,
Then if it work and i'm understanding everything we have something like this Fighting Defensively : -4 Attack Bonus & +2 Dodge AC
Is it right or am i missing something? And what does making Fighting Defensively a swift action change?
Hi, So this is the situation, i have a mesmerist and in the trick ability it said "To implant a trick, the mesmerist must take a standard action and either touch a willing creature or implant the trick in himself."
So if i cast charm person does he count as willing?
zza ni wrote:
Can i use the monk UC for this archetype? Niemand wrote: you just need ranks in profession (plumber)... Nice one
Azothath wrote:
1) Yeah but i dont like dhampirs (already played with a lot ) this is why i'm not looking for undead PC solution about drain. Is there a good wizard archetype you can think of? 2) Its for a custom evil campain so evil act are ok :p3) Oh yeah i forgot about this spell but did you mean 'Death Knell Aura' or aura mean something else?
Hi,
I thought of the Blighted Defiler (Kineticist) who drain nature and wildlife and the voidborn discipline of the Psychic but i dont think they are what i really want. So this is what i want :
Hi,
Christopher Van Horn wrote: It does not, but will be very hard to get a very large bonus on reliably as you cannot overlap areas for it. It adds to the bonus they already have. But what do you mean when you said that ? Cause in Elemental Might it doesnt specify a limit which mean that at lvl 3 you could have 7 burn (3+ 4 STR mod) then add like 4 steal power uses so you go to +11 to determine the bonus given instead of a maximum of +1 at level 3 for a normal kineticist. That's the limitation i was talking about. You dont overlap anything it use Burn number + Steal Power uses to determine the bonus there is no overlaping bonuses
Hi, In an evil campain a player want to play a Kineticist Blighted Defiler, but when i read the archetype i didnt understand 3 things : - Does steal power affect insect swarm ? Cause it affect minor wildlife so locust in a swarm doesnt have individual stat so would it kill the swarm ? Cause i dont think just them staying close to each other would buff theif vitality :/ - In the Stolen Strength feature it say "A blighted defiler can never gain a defense wild talent or the expanded defense utility wild talent." but in steal power it say "Alternatively, they can use gather power to reduce the cost of a defense, infusion, or utility wild talent by 1, regardless of whether they gather power for longer or have abilities that increase the burn reduction from gather power." Is it a mistake or was their an errata that didnt make it to d20pfsrd? - Does Elemental Might have the same limit than elemental overflow which is the max bonus is equal to 1 per 3 kineticist level
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