Out-of-Print Titles Return as Print-on-Demand

David knott 242 wrote:

The value of the original print runs as collectibles should not have diminished, as they are described in the blog in a way that suggests that the new POD versions are readily distinguishable from the originals.

If you just wanted the contents of the documents in printed form, you should not have had to pay anything more than the price of the PDF plus the price of having it printed at Staples.

In my experience getting pdfs like this in full color printed at staples is much more expensive than this POD option.

Of course it is -- but it might have been less expensive than a secondhand copy of the original print run on Ebay.

David knott 242 wrote:

The value of the original print runs as collectibles should not have diminished, as they are described in the blog in a way that suggests that the new POD versions are readily distinguishable from the originals.

If you just wanted the contents of the documents in printed form, you should not have had to pay anything more than the price of the PDF plus the price of having it printed at Staples.

In my experience getting pdfs like this in full color printed at staples is much more expensive than this POD option.

I don't think that was the comparison, I think the comparison was to spending $300 on an out of print original edition. One that the value of exist because of rarity. If your goal is simply to have a functional copy of the book to reference, printing it at staples (not in color) is likely far cheaper than the collector prices that have been mentioned.

If the only reason you bought it was to be able to have a physical copy to look at... not for having an original printing of it. You could potentially sell your current original printing to a collector who only wants an original printing, and you can replace it with a POD version, as long as the original sells for more than the cost of replacing it with a POD version.

While my experience with POD is such that they are decent. I think anyone paying attention would be able to distinguish a POD copy from the original mass market print, so the originals should maintain a higher end value.

Yes, now that those who just want a convenient physical copy have an alternate source, it is possible that the demand for original printing copies will have gone down, and thus the price may go down. But on the other hand, if you don't need an original printing, you might be able to recoup some of the money if you sell the originals to get a POD copy.

Interesting enough, in the long run, the availability of POD copies might bring more people into the Hobby, which might bring more people and a new generation potentially with money and interest in collecting, which might eventually be willing to pay more money to build up a 'Collection' of first printings in good condition.

Looking at prices for secondhand original printings of old books for other games currently available as POD on DriveThru indicates that there's still a market for them. I don't know what the going rate was on them before their POD versions were offered, though.

This is GREAT news! I have hopes that I can plug some holes in my collection. Especially, I'm hoping for J1: Entombed with the Pharaohs.

I have a friend who's been begging for Magnimar for years now

Super-Important Question:

Previous iterations of the APs have some incredibly problematic issues in light of Paizo's stance on bigotry/sexism among other things

Will those APs be altered to reflect a changing publisher, or will they be POD warts and all?

WotC hasn't modified their POD, I see no reason Paizo should. Censorship of past editions is not the answer, editing them is opening a whole can of worms since everybody has their own ideas of what must be edited and we will end with print copies as functional as Robocop in the 2nd movie (1990) that no one will want to buy.

It would be nice if Paizo published a calendar of what titles will be available and when. WotC sometimes publishes more than one in a month, then no new POD for months, it is quite frustrating for those waiting for certain out of print/overpriced 2nd hand books.

Would there be plans to put notes on them that these are dated .pdf and no longer reflect the values of Paizo?

Otherwise there's a legitimate concern that folks will continue to point to the P.O.D. as either 'not paying attention/tone-deaf' or 'this is what Paizo is really about, don't use the 'woke' edition'.

Super-Important Question:

Previous iterations of the APs have some incredibly problematic issues in light of Paizo's stance on bigotry/sexism among other things

Will those APs be altered to reflect a changing publisher, or will they be POD warts and all?

As the son of an investigative reporter, Nope, please don't do this!

I think at most adding a note to the inside front cover that says something along the lines of:
"This publication includes content that does not represent our current values and we're continually working to improve our inclusiveness and representations. However we have left the work as original printed without editing that content."

Otherwise there's a legitimate concern that folks will continue to point to the P.O.D.

That is no different than pointing at the current 2nd hand copies you can get on amazon or ebay. The only difference P.O.D. makes is increasing the already sizeable amount of copies in existence. If those folks you mention are that concerned, then they will not stop until older copies are branded with a "defective" stamp or are outright burned in a pyre.

In layman terms, pursuing such endeavor is beating a dead horse.

I like this idea as long as the new print is clearly identifiable so as to not affect the value of the original first print. It sounds like you have accounted for that, so its a good idea. Saves Paizo from expensive large-scale reprints, while allowing the few of us grognards that still prefer the smell and feel of print over digital to get our fix. Win-win. Nice job!

Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

Otherwise there's a legitimate concern that folks will continue to point to the P.O.D.

That is no different than pointing at the current 2nd hand copies you can get on amazon or ebay. The only difference P.O.D. makes is increasing the already sizeable amount of copies in existence. If those folks you mention are that concerned, then they will not stop until older copies are branded with a "defective" stamp or are outright burned in a pyre.

In layman terms, pursuing such endeavor is beating a dead horse.

Depends on the date on the POD actually.

Looking at prices for secondhand original printings of old books for other games currently available as POD on DriveThru indicates that there's still a market for them. I don't know what the going rate was on them before their POD versions were offered, though.

IIRC the price of the original edition of the RotRl books dropped after the release of the Anniversary edition.

I like this idea as long as the new print is clearly identifiable so as to not affect the value of the original first print.

This will be a problem sadly on eBay. I almost bought a resold DTRPG POD D&D 4e Manual of the Planes instead of buying it directly.

Super-Important Question:

Previous iterations of the APs have some incredibly problematic issues in light of Paizo's stance on bigotry/sexism among other things

Will those APs be altered to reflect a changing publisher, or will they be POD warts and all?

We will not be changing the editorial content of the books, but reserve the right not to offer a title at all for POD for whatever reason. We have neither the inclination nor the bandwidth to go back into books (some of which are over a decade old) to make editorial changes.

Our approach to addressing past missteps in flavor or sensitivity are to not make the same mistakes in future projects and directly address them in new products (see Lost Omens Mwangi Expanse vis-a-vis Heart of the Jungle.)

We are currently working on a disclaimer to address this, which will be added to all POD product pages (similar to what other publishers have done for their older material).

Any idea of when the next batch of books may get released?

We will not be changing the editorial content of the books, but reserve the right not to offer a title at all for POD for whatever reason. ... We are currently working on a disclaimer to address this, which will be added to all POD product pages (similar to what other publishers have done for their older material).

Thank you for this statement. It is heartening. I hope the list of items not offered approaches, if not equals, zero. I did just make my first purchase of some of the items in this offering. I'll get more next month. I was surprised to learn I already had a couple of these 'hard to find' items.

I hope the Pocket Editions will remain regular press for a while yet?

Mark Moreland wrote:

We will not be changing the editorial content of the books, but reserve the right not to offer a title at all for POD for whatever reason. ... We are currently working on a disclaimer to address this, which will be added to all POD product pages (similar to what other publishers have done for their older material).

Thank you for this statement. It is heartening. I hope the list of items not offered approaches, if not equals, zero. I did just make my first purchase of some of the items in this offering. I'll get more next month. I was surprised to learn I already had a couple of these 'hard to find' items.

I hope the Pocket Editions will remain regular press for a while yet?

We continue to keep most Pathfinder 1 rulebooks in stock as hardcover or pocket edition for the foreseeable future, yes.

PoD for older products is one of the best things a company can do. I'm fine with PDFs for anything away from the gaming table, but it's tough to replace a good book for quick reference.

Any idea of when the next batch of books may get released?

I'd love to get the next batch (probably another 5 titles or so) up before the end of the year, but we're waiting on a few proofs that may not arrive in time, given the current state of shipping and whatnot. If not before the end of the year, then certainly early in January.

Fantastic, thanks Mark! Here's hoping the ones I want are among them :)

Everybody say thank you to Mark who champions ways for Paizo to sell things in new ways that people want. I appreciate that both as a player and an employee. Thank you!

Thank you, Mark! (And the rest of the awesome Paizo team)!

While I have physical copies of most of the currently available titles, I'm very pleased to see them reoffered in a sustainable way, and look forward to the selection of titles hopefully growing over time.

The four I ordered arrived today. Three (Thieves #1; Return of the Runelords #6; Paths of Prestige) are fine and exactly what I expected.

Paizo PODs book from dtRPG: good quality. Slightly lesser binding than the mass printed ones, but only nominally, just a couple bucks. Only nominal color calibration differences. Biggest difference is the paper of the leaves being "paper" rather than "glossy coat". I prefer reading on the matte, they just may have less durability. But it doesn't feel like that big of an issue.

The Worldwound has some errors though. The spine is printed with "STRATEGY GUID", and the TOC has some missing characters ("Chapter Two: dventures in the Worldwound" [capital A is missing, but space for it is there]); likely from the layout file. It's not a big problem by any means.

I'm happy to continue getting POD for the rest of my books to fill out what I'm missing (mostly Campaign Setting books, and adventure paths I desire) when I don't see a reasonably-priced, readily-available copy of the mass printing on ebay/etc.

I received my Council of Thieves #1 as well and am happy you guys are doing this! Most of the other comments pretty much covered the APs that I'd like to see go to POD, but I'll throw my 2 cents too:
- Carrion Crown
- Skull and Shackles
- Reign of Winter
- Iron Gods
- Wrath of the Righteous

Any word on Legacy of Fire?

I see the list of available POD titles has changed.

It's disappointing that apparently we need to just look regularly.

Hopefully link works for others:

https://www.pathfinderinfinite.com/browse/pub/5549/Paizo?src=fid100114& filters=0_0_0_0_100163_0&page=1&sort=4a

I see the list of available POD titles has changed.

It's disappointing that apparently we need to just look regularly.

Hopefully link works for others:

https://www.pathfinderinfinite.com/browse/pub/5549/Paizo?src=fid100114& filters=0_0_0_0_100163_0&page=1&sort=4a

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Just wondering if there was an news if we were going to get prints for book 1 for reign of winter and book 6 of wraith of the righteous, for that would help a lot of people out

Just wondering if there was an news if we were going to get prints for book 1 for reign of winter and book 6 of wraith of the righteous, for that would help a lot of people out

We are working on an update blog for later in the month. Stay tuned.

Appeared today:
Pathfinder Adventure Path #62: Curse of the Lady's Light (Shattered Star 2 of 6)(PF1)

I've been playing PF1e since it came out and been slowly collecting all of the setting-neutral rule books. The only one I'm missing now is Book of the Damned, which is absurdly expensive now that it's out-of-print. I was lucky to grab a Like-New copy of the Advanced Class guide on eBay, but that was only after hunting for months. If Paizo would make all the rule books PoD, that would be great.

I've been playing PF1e since it came out and been slowly collecting all of the setting-neutral rule books. The only one I'm missing now is Book of the Damned, which is absurdly expensive now that it's out-of-print. I was lucky to grab a Like-New copy of the Advanced Class guide on eBay, but that was only after hunting for months. If Paizo would make all the rule books PoD, that would be great.

Thanks for your input. I suspect we won't put the rulebooks on PoD as long as we are selling most of all them in hardcover or pocket edition directly on paizo.com. We are not trying to make sure collectors can have all the hardcovers or all the pocket editions. We are making sure sure the rulebooks are available in some form. If a book is missing there is likely a reason. Book of the Damned was before my time, but I think it won't be revisited. Sorry.

I would love to see Rule of Fear put up under Print-on-Demand as well

Fel Leatherwing wrote:

Just wondering if there was an news if we were going to get prints for book 1 for reign of winter and book 6 of wraith of the righteous, for that would help a lot of people out

We are working on an update blog for later in the month. Stay tuned.

Was just wondering if there were any updates on this update blog and what what :)

Aaron Shanks wrote:

Fel Leatherwing wrote:

Just wondering if there was an news if we were going to get prints for book 1 for reign of winter and book 6 of wraith of the righteous, for that would help a lot of people out

We are working on an update blog for later in the month. Stay tuned.

Was just wondering if there were any updates on this update blog and what what :)

Currently Available POD Titles

GameMastery Module D1: Crown of the Kobold King
Pathfinder Adventure Path #138: Rise of New Thassilon (Return of the Runelords 6 of 6)(PF1)
Pathfinder Adventure Path #25: The Bastards of Erebus (Council of Thieves 1 of 6)(PF1)
Pathfinder Adventure Path #61: Shards of Sin (Shattered Star 1 of 6)(PF1)
Pathfinder Adventure Path #62: Curse of the Lady's Light (Shattered Star 2 of 6)(PF1)
Pathfinder Adventure Path #71: Rasputin Must Die! (Reign of Winter 5 of 6)(PF1)
Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Magnimar, City of Monuments (PF1)
Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Paths of Prestige (PF1)
Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Technology Guide (PF1)
Pathfinder Campaign Setting: The Worldwound (PF1)
Pathfinder Chronicles: Campaign Setting (OGL/3.5)
Pathfinder Module: The Emerald Spire Superdungeon (PF1)
Pathfinder Module: We Be Goblins Too! (PF1)
Pathfinder Module: We Be Goblins! (PF1)

Paizo has made seven new titles live for Print-on-Demand on DriveThruRPG.

PZO9043 AP #43: The Haunting of Harrowstone (Carrion Crown 1 of 6)

PZO9044 AP #44: Trial of the Beast (Carrion Crown 2 of 6)

PZO9046 AP #46: Wake of the Watcher (Carrion Crown 4 of 6)

PZO9048 AP #48: Shadows of Gallowspire (Carrion Crown 6 of 6)

PZO9078 AP #78: City of Locusts (Wrath of the Righteous 6 of 6)

PZO9217 Guide to the River Kingdoms

PZO9262 Mythic Realms

YESSSSSSS FINALLY Been hoping for City of Locusts!!!!!!!

Really surprised Skull & Shackles hasn't shown up yet. Those would sell like hotcakes. Currently running a 2e conversion, but would super be nice to have the originals in hand. Here's hoping soon!

We will next be filling out Jade Regent, Serpent's Skull, and Reign of Winter.

We will next be filling out Jade Regent, Serpent's Skull, and Reign of Winter.

If I may ask, when might we see Wrath of the Righteous volumes 1 and 2 in POD? Both are out of print according to their store listings here.

Have they given up on adding more books to PoD? I'd really like to see the APs they only have parts of up currently have their whole lines available.

Complete 1e Adventure Paths would be greatly appreciated.

Would love to see #109: In Search of Sanity added.

I know you're all busy with Starfinder 2e and the Remaster and new books, but is there any update to getting more stuff added to this list?