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Monday, June 12, 2017

Archetypes are a fascinating example of how a game system can evolve over the course of time. The Pathfinder Core Rulebook doesn't mention archetypes at all—they weren't introduced until the Advanced Player's Guide. Once players discovered how useful they were to represent characters that weren't a perfect match for any character class, but were close enough that only a few changes were necessary to represent them, archetypes quickly became an extremely popular and common element of many Pathfinder RPG releases from that point forward. They allowed characters to examine new character concepts without needing to release whole new classes. A ranger who's an expert in tactics and odd tricks but doesn't cast spells isn't a big enough conceptual step to need a new character class, but it's difficult to represent without something like the skirmisher or trapper archetypes.

One of the advantages we had when designing Starfinder was that we could see what had worked well for Pathfinder and use that as a starting place in design, rather than having to create everything conceptually from scratch. It was clear early on that archetypes made sense in Starfinder—after all, the game can have adventures set anywhere in an entire galaxy, so there are bound to be cultures, traditions, organizations, and training methods which adjust how characters do things beyond the influence of their class, race, and theme. That let us look at how we wanted themes, classes, archetypes, and feat selections to interact. So what sets archetypes apart from those other character variables? Let's look at what the Starfinder Core Rulebook says about archetypes.

An archetype is a character concept more specific and involved than a theme, but not as comprehensive or broad as a class. Each archetype represents a significant divergence from the abilities of a typical member of the core classes. Archetypes provide an additional layer of control for players who want to fine-tune their character's advancement. An archetype generally grants abilities that aren't otherwise available to characters through a class, or it may grant easier access to a specific set of appropriate abilities. In general, these abilities aren't tied to the background of any one core class or theme and aren't available to characters via other sources.

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So Starfinder is using archetypes as sets of class features that represent a concept that isn't tied to any one class, but shouldn't be available to every character simply by taking a set of feats. Unlike Pathfinder archetypes, which must be designed for a single specific character class it can be added to, Starfinder archetypes are designed to be applicable to any character class. Each class has specific class features it gives up at set levels (2nd, 4th, 6th, 9th, 12th, and 18th) if the archetype provides an alternative class feature at that level (though not every archetype will need to have alternate class features at all those levels). An archetype thus becomes part of the class you attach it to, and that class loses a pre-determined ability at the levels the archetype grants you an alternative. For example, the Starfinder Core Rulebook has two archetypes—the phrenic adept and the Starfinder forerunner. The phrenic adept has alternate class features at every level it can—2nd, 4th, 6th, 9th, 12th, and 18th—while the Starfinder forerunner only provides alternate class features at 2nd, 4th, and 6th.

You must decide to add an archetype to a class when you gain the first class level at which the archetype has an alternate class feature. For example, the Starfinder forerunner archetype grants its first alternate class feature (trained for trouble) at 2nd level. So if you take a second level of a class, and decide to add the Starfinder forerunner archetype, you gain trained for trouble as a class feature. What you give up depends on what class you took—a mechanic that gains the archetype would not receive the mechanic trick normally available at 2nd level, while a mystic would gain 1 fewer spells known for the highest level of spell it can cast, and so on. Every class outlines what class feature it forgoes if it has an archetype added that has an alternate class feature at that level. Each class you take can have at most one archetype attached to it, and you cannot attach the same archetype to more than one class if you multiclass.

Archetypes are designed to represent sets of abilities you could reasonably gain regardless of your class or theme, but that involve some sort of special circumstance or training that makes them bad choices as feats. The phrenic adept assumes you have gained some innate psychic powers, as a result of natural mutation, specialized training, exposure to an ill-understood force such as an alien artifact, and so on. The Starfinder forerunner represents the result of special training given to members of the Starfinder Society who do advanced work to prepare for Starfinder expeditions, and often serve as guides on such expeditions. Neither is designed to be as all-encompassing as a full character class, but both represent more new abilities than should be contained in 1 or 2 feats. As the Starfinder RPG grows, we'll be looking for places it makes sense for a new option to be more than a feat or theme but less than a class, and then using archetypes to make those available to characters of any class.

As a preview of what archetype features look like, here is the ability gained by the phrenic adept at 4th level.

Phrenic Defense (Ex): Your psychic powers give you additional defenses against mental attacks. The first time you fail a saving throw against a spell or effect with the emotion, fear, mind-affecting, or pain descriptor (see page 269), you can spend 1 Resolve Point as a reaction to immediately reroll the failed saving throw.

Even if the second saving throw fails, your stronger defenses might reduce the effect of the spell or ability. If the spell or ability deals damage, reduce the damage done by an amount equal to your class level. If the spell or ability has a duration of 2 rounds or longer, reduce its duration by half.

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I mean something like Variant Multiclassing but using the archetype rules of giving up class features instead of feats.

You know, since they all replace stuff at the same level... You could do that now anyway. A Soldier-archetype would give you access to what the Soldier normally gives up, for example.

We don't actually knoe what a soldier gets, though.
IonutRO wrote:
We don't actually knoe what a soldier gets, though.

From the Soldier preview:

" a soldier gains ...a bonus combat feat at 2nd level and every 2 levels thereafter"

"A soldier also picks up some of a second fighting style beginning at 9th level"

2, 4, 6, 9, 12, 18

I meant we don't know what its iconic ability is.

Envoys get expertise and skill expertise, mechanics get bypass and custom rig, mystics get healing touch, and operatives get operative's edge and trick attack.

But we don't know what soldiers and solarians get.
IonutRO wrote:
I meant we don't know what its iconic ability is, its "trick attack" or "healing touch" equivalent, the main ability of the class.

I dont know if Soldiers have a "main thing" in the same regard as Spells, Trick Attacks, Drone/Exocortex... it sounds like they get a wider selection of gear, better damage with their weapons, feats and equipment tricks. i think one of them is called out in First Contact where a Soldier can create a single grenade once per day, it sounds like a Mcguyver kind of thing. I dont know what level it is but i would assume that as they scale in level the grenades they make get stronger and/or they can make more but that is all only if they took the grenade trick in the first place.

In a way that makes the Soldier easier to write alternate class features for though, doesnt it? they can just publish a list of abilities gained at levels 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9 that replace the equipment tricks at those levels with a pre-set list of new things without much worry since the class seems very modular already.
Torbyne wrote:
I dont know if Soldiers have a "main thing" in the same regard as Spells, Trick Attacks, Drone/Exocortex...

While it's possible the Soldier gets no iconic ability other than its beefed up proficiencies, the things you listed are not equivalent. Spells are a class feature, Trick Attacks are an iconic ability, and Artificial Intelligence options are specialization options.

Torbyne wrote:
it sounds like they get a wider selection of gear, better damage with their weapons, feats and equipment tricks. i think one of them is called out in First Contact where a Soldier can create a single grenade once per day, it sounds like a Mcguyver kind of thing.

All classes get abilities like that of some kind. Envoys get improvisations, soldiers get gear boosts, mystics get connection powers, technomancers get magic hacks, solarians get inspirations, and mechanics get mechanic tricks.

Torbyne wrote:
In a way that makes the Soldier easier to write alternate class features for though, doesnt it? they can just publish a list of abilities gained at levels 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9 that replace the equipment tricks at those levels with a pre-set list of new things without much worry since the class seems very modular already.

You seem to be still thinking about archetype in the Pathfinder sense. We were talking about Starfinder archetypes. In this case we were talking about an archetype that gave some of a Soldier's abilities to non-soldiers.

Starfinder already has customization baked into the classes in the form of specializations, so they don't need to replace any of a Soldier's gear boosts with new abilities, since there's already blank spaces where a soldier's specialization give him abilities completely separate from his boosts, all they need to do is create a new specialization.
IonutRO wrote:

I meant we don't know what its iconic ability is.

Envoys get expertise and skill expertise, mechanics get bypass and custom rig, mystics get healing touch, and operatives get operative's edge and trick attack.

But we don't know what soldiers and solarians get.

Soldiers get killing stuff with outsize weapons.

But the simplest way of creating a balanced AT is to give the things that are given away.

So, if a Mystic where to take your "Soldier AT" - I would call it something different - Trooper perhaps - it wouldn't be unreasonable for them to trade some spells for Soldier Feats and a fighting style.

And remember that a Soldier should be able to take your "Soldier AT" - giving back the things they give up would revert them to baseline, and therefore would work perfectly.
Fardragon wrote:

But the simplest way of creating a balanced AT is to give the things that are given away.

By that logic a mystic multiclass AT would give 1 spell known at level 2, 4, 6, 9, 12, and 18... and no spell slots to cast those spell with.

Fardragon wrote:

And remember that a Soldier should be able to take your "Soldier AT" - giving back the things they give up would revert them to baseline, and therefore would work perfectly.

Why? Variant Multiclassing doesn't work like that and neither should this.

It would have a "must have spell slots " perquisite, as has already been mentioned. Thus enabling Technomancers to cast some Mystic spells.

Or you could just use the standard multiclassing rules from the CRB...

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Why? Variant Multiclassing doesn't work like that and neither should this.

Because that's how ATs work in Starfinder.

IonutRO wrote:
Torbyne wrote:
I dont know if Soldiers have a "main thing" in the same regard as Spells, Trick Attacks, Drone/Exocortex...

While it's possible the Soldier gets no iconic ability other than its beefed up proficiencies, the things you listed are not equivalent. Spells are a class feature, Trick Attacks are an iconic ability, and Artificial Intelligence options are specialization options.

Torbyne wrote:
it sounds like they get a wider selection of gear, better damage with their weapons, feats and equipment tricks. i think one of them is called out in First Contact where a Soldier can create a single grenade once per day, it sounds like a Mcguyver kind of thing.

All classes get abilities like that of some kind. Envoys get improvisations, soldiers get gear boosts, mystics get connection powers, technomancers get magic hacks, solarians get inspirations, and mechanics get mechanic tricks.

Torbyne wrote:
In a way that makes the Soldier easier to write alternate class features for though, doesnt it? they can just publish a list of abilities gained at levels 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9 that replace the equipment tricks at those levels with a pre-set list of new things without much worry since the class seems very modular already.

You seem to be still thinking about archetype in the Pathfinder sense. We were talking about Starfinder archetypes. In this case we were talking about an archetype that gave some of a Soldier's abilities to non-soldiers.

Starfinder already has customization baked into the classes in the form of specializations, so they don't need to replace any of a Soldier's gear boosts with new abilities, since there's already blank spaces where a soldier's specialization give him abilities completely separate from his boosts, all they need to do is create a new specialization.

ok, so in the sense of giving the soldier's shtick to another class, it would be an archetype that lets a PC take equipment tricks in place of regular class abilities at levels 4, 8 and 12 and have an effective soldier level of character level -3 or some such when choosing tricks?

I am not sure that is a good option to pursue though. as much as i like Pathfinder Archetypes, a lot of them render the parent class obsolete. i consider the Inquisitor who gets Slayer abilities better than Slayers or Inquisitors. The Cavalier who gets Swashbuckler abilities is better than either baseline. I dont think these kinds of things were intended, it just so happens that the combinations work better than the "balanced" classes that originally debuted the abilities, doing the same thing in Starfinder where every class can borrow a signature ability from any other class could really impact balance and this game seems to have given a lot of effort towards balancing the math between roles and classes.
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